Really? How would eliminating state recognition of marriage address the problem of forced adoptions by homosexuals? How would it address the issue of homosexuals’ friends in the courts forcing private businesses to serve them?
These things have all happened in the absence of forced recognition of homosexual “marriage,” and there’s no reason to believe the situation will not continue to snowball.
Thus any and all tax laws related to marriage go away (for better or worse) and “Marriage” becomes a contract between 2:n people of any sex or relationship.
And thus, meaningless.
Game, set and match to the liberals — this is their endgame.
No. Traditional marriage has always been encouraged for a good reason. Repubs are throwing in the towel because they are scared and are trying to rationalize why they are cowards.
Since the only duties of the federal government are to provide a common defense and deliver the mail, why not begin divorcing government from all areas in which it has encroached upon private liberty?
Government does all things poorly these days, yet it insists on giving more and more power to corrupt people with a lust for control. This is exactly the kind of government that the Founders warned against.
Would it be better to have homosexual marriage or no government-sanctioned marriage at all?
You can't just say "government won't be involved". It's not logical at all. The homosexual lobby is trying to change things -- and the Libertarian types who say "get government out of the marriage business" are playing right into the hands of the homosexual lobby and saying "You guys are great! Yes! Let's change things!"
Marriage as an institution isn't broke. Don't try to fix it.
So we DECLARE DEFEAT and move on?
I mean if there wasn’t a push for gay marriage today, would anyone be thinking of outlawing marriage, which is what is being suggested here?
So I guess they set the agenda, and us conservatives are forced to buckle to it?
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The state is about as likely to get out of marriage as the church is to get back into it; which is to say not bloody likely. State control of marriage has been a disaster for the same reasons that state control of so many things has been a disaster. The only reason the culture is even considering this radical departure from history is because the state has crowded out the church in so many areas over the last 100 years.
“The word “spouse” appears in federal laws and regulations a total of 1,138 times”
It can’t possibly be that low.
But, then again, I’m probably adding forms into my mental tally. .
Sounds pretty darned complicated to me, ditching state protection of family life, by which our society survives. It would be cheaper to deport all the 4 million or so homosexuals. That's way fewer than the illegal aliens.
ONE MORE THING.
The government DID get out of marriage, at least part way. They enacted no-fault divorce laws in the 1970s...so that you no longer needed to convince a judge as to why you wanted to break up a marriage.
The result: The divorce rate WENT UP from something like 10% to 50%. I’m sure a lot of children and others benefited from the state getting out of the way there.
State involvement in marriage only weakens the institution. People have come to equate legal marriage with marriage, leaving the state as the arbiter of marital morality. If the state issues a divorce, that is the final word, as far as 99% of Americans are concerned. And since the state does not stand in the way of divorce in our mordern age, it means that society has come to accept divorce-on-demand as being a morally neutral concept.
Throw in gay marriage and it is easy to see that government interference is capable of destroying the concept of marriage altogether.
Government must be kept as far away from marriage as possible. Let the government define domestic partnerships for it’s own purposes, but leave marriage to religious and cultural institutions.
Yep. That's the cowardly answer to solving this problem.
Thanks for recognizing that, Mr. Fund. Some contracts are invalid because they are destructive to the parties who are involved in the contract. Gay relationships are destructive to the people involved. Gays suffer higher rates of mental illness, drug addiction, domestic violence and suicide.
Over half the people in America who are HIV-positive are gay. Compare that with the fact that only about 2% of the population is gay.
How many of you are aware that there's a disease called "gay bowel syndrome"? How many heterosexuals do you think are infected with this disease? Not to mention the higher incidence of several forms of cancer, STDs and respiratory diseases among gays.
Gay activists and their friends in the media have been very careful to conceal these facts. That's precisely why we need to shout them from every rooftop, Mr. Fund. The law is a teacher. By legalizing gay marriage, or by getting the government out of marriage completely and thereby allowing gay marriage, we teach the young and impressionable that it must be okay to experiment with gay sex and see whether it might be something they like.
Gay behavior, and immersing oneself in the gay lifestyle is roughly as safe as crack cocaine or Russian roulette. It destroys lives. It is not safe, it will never be safe, and government is the only force in America that can discourage it effectively.
While I support entirely the concept of simplifying the tax code and removing all tax credits and tax penalties in favor of a uniform tax I do not believe there is any onus to remove the recognition of REAL marriage. The best reason not to recognize SSM is that it will promote the normalizing of homosexuality and will be used to abridge religious and person freedom which is entirely unnecessary. Gays can and do have marriage ceremonies as do some heterosexual couples without ever filing for a marriage license. The approval of the state is not necessary to be in a committed relationship. I had a Muslim friend who was married and never filed to get a marriage license. The real deal is about control and forcing homosexuality and those other letters in the LGBTQ in the wings on polite society.
It doesn’t matter that homosexuality especially male homosexuality is a crucible for disease, promiscuity, alcohol/drug abuse, and yes higher rates of sexual abuse. Does it mean all gays fall into those categories? No but the question is not for the exception but for the rule. Is homosexuality a positive thing to be promoted and lifted up in society? We no for certain that though there may be genetic and hormonal propensity for some homosexuals that the environment is the biggest contributor homosexuality. The homosexual contention that they are “born that way” is just a big lie. People are born with all kinds of propensities that they overcome. Some have higher sex drives and yet they manage to remain committed to a single women. The idea that because one has desires that they must be fulfilled even though the behavior is obviously inappropriate is dangerous. The SSM contention is based on a denial of freewill and a denial that homosexuality is not correct behavior. Simply put the parts don’t fit. Marriage has always been essentially connected with the goal of procreation and whether from a religious or a Darwinian secular position this would be considered a good thing increasing the odds of progeny reaching adult hood, etc.
Gay marriage does not stand on its own. It is something that must be propped up by the state and encouraged by the state while conventional biologically correct views will have to be suppressed by the state. So the idea of the state just getting out of marriage is a pipe dream since it is already involved and we have already seen that in nearly every state that has implemented SSM that religious and personal liberty is immediately under attack. Already students are excluded from college programs because of disagreeing with homosexuality/ssm. The mental health professions have been largely cleansed of those who disagree through politically correct litmus tests. The future with SSM marriage is to have all children who go to public schools indoctrinated in the normalcy and the desire to experiment with alternative sexuality and if it was just that it would be one thing but they will also have pride events and gay pride week all the while teachers are forbidden to display a picture of Jesus, cross, or even a secular Christmas tree while condoms on dildos and drag queens will be all the norm. Already schools have started norming towards homosexuality by calling children’s drawings of family “offensive” when it doesn’t include Same Sex families or single mommy families.
SSM marriage is a grave threat to liberty and to normalcy. Those that do not understand this are just in denial or too young and stupid. And why are we having to even deal with this issue? Its because of a bunch of deviants who wont keep their private disgusting behavior in the bedroom. All the rest is just distraction.
The marriage and child tax deductions should have been just for (opposite sex) married couples with children dependents rather than just any married couples anyway, to encourage those types of intact families.
GWB to lure single wimmin votes got a special tax credit (income limited ‘Child tax credit’ doubled) for single Mom's and now with same sex couples posed to get the marriage tax cuts too its just stupid.
Conservatives are not allowed to propose tax cuts to encourage desired behaviour as its called 'helping those who dont need it' , only libs are allowed to do that like Green energy and conservation per Dem rules.
Well shoot John, why don’t we just retreat and give them what they want, normalization of their sick and perverted behavior.