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A North Korean Nuclear Pearl Harbor?
Family Security Matters ^ | April 5, 2013 | Dr Peter Vincent Pry

Posted on 04/05/2013 8:52:26 PM PDT by Dave346

At this dangerous juncture, it may be useful to remember Pearl Harbor and some other lessons from history.

After all, there is some compelling evidence that North Korea just might be able to deliver on its threat to make a catastrophic nuclear attack on the United States: North Korea has conducted three successful nuclear tests, and has weaponized its nuclear devices into warheads that are deployed on its Nodong medium-range missiles. In December, North Korea successfully orbited a satellite weighing 220 pounds--so they could deliver against the United States, or against any nation on Earth, a small nuclear warhead. A nuclear weapon designed specially to generate a powerful electromagnetic pulse (EMP)--a single such "Super-EMP" warhead would be able to collapse the U.S. electric grid and other critical infrastructures, inflicting catastrophic consequences on the entire nation--would probably be deliverable by North Korea's so-called "Space Launch Vehicle" over the United States. North Korea orbited its satellite on a trajectory and at an altitude ideal for making an EMP attack on the U.S.. The Congressional EMP Commission warned in 2008 that North Korea was developing Super-EMP warheads. South Korean military intelligence has reportedly warned their government repeatedly that North Korea is developing Super-EMP warheads with Russian help. In 2011, a military commentator with the People's Republic of China stated that North Korea has Super-EMP warheads. Data from North Korea's nuclear tests are consistent with a Super-EMP warhead.

Moreover, North Korea claims it can destroy the U.S. with a missile strike. Recent TV footage of North Korea's military headquarters showed a map in the background allegedly depicting their plans for nuclear missile strikes against the United States. South Korean military intelligence reportedly observed that North Korea's so-called Space Launch Vehicle is included among the general mobilization of the North's nuclear missile forces.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: attack; bomb; nkorea; northkorea; surprise; terror
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Things are nearing the boiling point now....
1 posted on 04/05/2013 8:52:26 PM PDT by Dave346
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To: Dave346

Obama will detonate one of our own nukes as a false flag before Korea can get one over here.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 8:54:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Dave346

Yes. North Korea are already upping the ante with their new photoshop navy!

Seriously though, if they did have an EMP aboard that space craft, wouldn’t they have to launch it down to earth at the US, to detonate closer to the ground. Couldn’t we just shoot it down with a missile before it activates?


3 posted on 04/05/2013 9:00:20 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Dave346
The Congressional EMP Commission warned in 2008 that North Korea was developing Super-EMP warheads. South Korean military intelligence has reportedly warned their government repeatedly that North Korea is developing Super-EMP warheads with Russian help. In 2011, a military commentator with the People's Republic of China stated that North Korea has Super-EMP warheads. Data from North Korea's nuclear tests are consistent with a Super-EMP warhead.

The numbnuts in DC have been warned for years about the disastrous possibilities of EMP stike(s). What do they do? Go on a binge of massive centralization of our electrical distribution grid.

4 posted on 04/05/2013 9:02:37 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Secret Agent Man

A false flag Nuke? Not heard of that..how?


5 posted on 04/05/2013 9:04:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Dave346

Please stop.

They don’t have a bomb and the two they tested....well....they bombed, or fizzled. Whatever.

Only way they get a cloud out any of their bombs is if they fill em with foot powder.

Besides, they using aniquated equipment, that isn’t serviceable much less reliable enough to withstand a brisk walk of more than a mile.We should air lift Happy Meals, Coca Cola and Mom’s Apple Pie.Once they taste America we could then drop millions of pairs of Levi’s on em and a pair of Justin Roper boots.

They’ll want more of that and it would end this tin pot concentration Kamp.


6 posted on 04/05/2013 9:05:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Viennacon
Couldn’t we just shoot it down with a missile before it activates?

We have classified ways to deal with things like that. But this satellite is uselessly tumbling and not of a mass or volume to carry a nuclear device.

7 posted on 04/05/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: caww

It will leave traces of prutonium.


8 posted on 04/05/2013 9:08:15 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Dave346

On ________, 2013, in a day that will live in wazzup, the North Koreans launched a sneaky attack on Oakland, Ca. Grateful Californians sent messages of good will and good health to Lil’ Kim, and invited to visit Disneyland.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 9:09:40 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Secret Agent Man

BS Obama will do nothing of the sort. He will try to talk the Korean bastard into submission. He doesn’t have the gonads to actually do anything but threat and play golf.


10 posted on 04/05/2013 9:15:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: Gene Eric

Would it explode as a real nuke?


11 posted on 04/05/2013 9:16:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: Dave346

I am wondering if all this saber rattling by the NORKs is nothing more than a diversion to keep our eyes off Iran. Could be this is conjured up by the two of them?.


12 posted on 04/05/2013 9:24:02 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods, Glenn Doherty and Sean Smith? Forgot already?)
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To: Dave346

Headlines over at Drudge at the moment.

PAPER: Fears NKorea could trigger nuclear strike next WEDNESDAY...

Loads missiles onto launchers...

Castro urges calm...

ALL embassies told to evacuate staff from Pyongyang...

GLOBAL COOLING: WASHINGTON LOWERS RHETORIC...

China ‘losing patience’...

and this very interesting headline...

Russian Bomber Roulette
http://freebeacon.com/russian-bomber-roulette/
Russian strategic bomber conducts practice strikes on U.S. missile defenses in Asia

A Russian bomber recently carried out simulated cruise missile attacks on U.S. missile defenses in Asia, raising new questions about Moscow’s goal in future U.S.-Russian defense talks.

According to U.S. officials, a Russian Tu-22M Backfire bomber on Feb. 26 simulated firing air-launched cruise missiles at an Aegis ship deployed near Japan as part of U.S. missile defenses.

A second mock attack was conducted Feb. 27 against a ground-based missile defense site in Japan that officials did not identify further.

The Pentagon operates an X-band missile defense radar on the northern tip of Japan that is designed to monitor North Korean missile launches and transmit the data to missile-firing ships.

The bomber targeting comes as Russia is building up forces in the Pacific by modernizing submarines and building a spy ship specifically for intelligence-gathering against U.S. missile defenses.

Officials said it was not clear why the Russians conducted the practice strikes. However, the simulations may indicate Moscow has targeted its offensive ballistic missiles on Japan or U.S. military bases in the region.


13 posted on 04/05/2013 9:29:20 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: caww

Yes, it explodes Gangnum style.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 9:29:36 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

US Secretly Deploys B-1 Strategic Bombers, E-6 “Doomsday” Planes Near North Korea
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-05/us-secretly-deploys-b-1-strategic-bombers-e-6-doomsday-planes-near-north-korea


15 posted on 04/05/2013 9:33:53 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It is a shame the Cold War ended and we still have an enemy in Russia.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 9:36:32 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Dave346

What a coincidence. We elect and re-elect an anti-American communist as president who has zero experience and credentials in national security, who is drawing down our nuclear weapon stockpile, who is demolishing our military might with gays, women in combat, and cuts to defense spending...and just how do the world’s tinpot dictators react? Do they sense weakness and lack of will?


17 posted on 04/05/2013 9:47:40 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Vendome

See Post #2. Kim and 0bama are probably working together on this one.


18 posted on 04/05/2013 10:07:54 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
...massive centralization of our electrical distribution grid.

Some folks are unaware of the fact that there are (only) three separate electrical grids in the US. There's the Eastern grid, the Western grid, and the Texas grid.

Texas declines the offer to be 'consolidated', thank you very much.

19 posted on 04/05/2013 10:09:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Well, doesn’t that beat all! Literally!. A fake nuke. Scratching my head wondering how that one got by me.?????


20 posted on 04/05/2013 10:12:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: Vendome
Please stop. They don’t have a bomb and the two they tested....well....they bombed, or fizzled. Whatever.

If there's no threat, then why are we mobilizing our most deadly military assets closer to Lil Kim?

Wouldn't a hearty laugh or snicker from the White House suffice instead?

21 posted on 04/05/2013 10:13:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Kim Jong-un orders increased production of artillery in N. Korea: report
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2013/04/06/34/0401000000AEN20130406001800315F.HTML

U.S., Japan announce plans to move Marines from Okinawa to Hawaii, Guam
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2013/04/05/us-japan-announce-plans-to-move.html


22 posted on 04/05/2013 10:14:07 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
U.S., Japan announce plans to move Marines from Okinawa to Hawaii, Guam

Won't Guam tip over?

23 posted on 04/05/2013 10:14:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Bringbackthedraft

You can bet all other nations are going to take advantage of this happening....good ones or bad....shifting will occur...... By the same token...nations will be watching the back door too.

If one wants to know what’s happening...see who is traveling where, for whatever purpose....”where” they are and go IS language.


24 posted on 04/05/2013 10:15:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: dfwgator

That’s a good possibility! Especially if they don’t load the island down evenly. LOL!


25 posted on 04/05/2013 10:16:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: dfwgator
I think there's allot of “false” information going on now...the war of deception plays on Kim's board...and no doubt we're dishing out our own for him to swallow as well.

Honestly, I think Kim and his leadership are more worried about what we'll do and very likely squirming quite a bit...they need to.

Even though backdoor channeling is surely going on for all parties this entails...I think they'll make Kim wait.....let him sweat thru this.

Further, plenty of time has now passed I am sure our guys and or the N.Koreans are already on the ground and sniffing out the terrain over there...be it from the sea or air. They are there.

26 posted on 04/05/2013 10:23:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: Windflier

Yearly bluster and kabooki dance.

The whole thing is a friggin charade.

They go all blah, blah, blah.

We go “Here’s some food and heavy water”

Next year?

Same time?

Great.

I’ll have some nice kimchee before we take our holiday.

Merry Rickshaw!!!


27 posted on 04/05/2013 10:24:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Dave346
Seoul is an easy target..that said I'm bringing my fsmily through there at the end of the month.

I view this as a power struggle and I expect their boy leader will find some military types disturbing his sleep very soon..

28 posted on 04/05/2013 10:25:41 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Vendome

"Good night, Sam".
"Good night, Ralph, see you tomorrow."

29 posted on 04/05/2013 10:26:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Buster, Demand ..... Food.

Simple as that.

Grass tofu sucks...


30 posted on 04/05/2013 10:26:48 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Dave346

Some interesting pics from NK

http://freekorea.us/2007/04/29/the-north-korean-air-force-by-google-earth/comment-page-2/#comment-935007


31 posted on 04/05/2013 10:36:32 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: dfwgator

LOL

Zactly...


32 posted on 04/05/2013 10:38:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

I never figured out if Sam and Wile E Coyote were related or not.


33 posted on 04/05/2013 10:43:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Viennacon
It's already in orbit. Likely a low earth orbit ~600 miles. A brief deorbit burn wouldn't be easy to spot. At about 220 above the surface, the line of sight is still good coast to coast over CONUS. If we are tracking it and really believe it is an EMP weapon in waiting, we should try to get it before they deorbit.
34 posted on 04/05/2013 11:13:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
If we are tracking it and really believe it is an EMP weapon in waiting, we should try to get it before they deorbit.

It is certainly being tracked. What is lacking AFAIK, is any sort of ASAT capability other than the stuff stationed on the coasts. That is missile oriented, not anti-satellite.

I think we scrapped all our good stuff years ago, like the spiffy one launched from a F-15 at high Mach and high altitude. Must not offend the commies, who no doubt kept their toys...........

All this assumes Zero gives a damn, and that he would not welcome the chaos to play into his schemes..........

35 posted on 04/05/2013 11:23:01 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Viennacon

“Couldn’t we just shoot it down with a missile before it activates?”

An EMP attack detonates at high altitude, but it would still have to reenter the atmosphere to hit the “sweet spot”.

Now, as to whether we could shoot it down, the Russians developed a plan for an EMP attack which they shared with NK. This plan involved attacking from a cross-polar trajectory, in which the warhead would approach us from the Southern hemisphere, and we have no early warning system in that direction. You can’t shoot down what you can’t see.


36 posted on 04/05/2013 11:31:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dave346

I read their satellite was tumbling around in orbit shotly after it launched..meaning it doesn’t work.


37 posted on 04/05/2013 11:35:02 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: doorgunner69

“What is lacking AFAIK, is any sort of ASAT capability other than the stuff stationed on the coasts.”

We could always ask our good friend China, which has an orbital anti-sat weapon, to help us out.


38 posted on 04/05/2013 11:40:29 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: doorgunner69
The F15 ASAT performed nicely. Zero doesn't give a damn. He trashed all the Future Combat Systems contracts. They were delivering good technology. My contracts got canceled too. The money lavished on green energy boondoggles would have kept those programs functioning. Instead, they were canceled and the boondoggles are declaring bankruptcy with nothing to show for all the money wasted.
39 posted on 04/06/2013 12:11:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: HollyB
We can be thankful if they were too ignorant to build a satellite correctly. Let's not tell them how to do it right.
40 posted on 04/06/2013 12:13:43 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: caww

he’d use one of our own or we have some emp weapon but blame it on someone else. now who right now could he blame it on?


41 posted on 04/06/2013 12:58:52 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: steve86

Couldn’t we just shoot it down with a missile before it activates
?
We have classified ways to deal with things like that.


So should we be worried about an EMP attack over CONUS?


42 posted on 04/06/2013 1:31:17 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: Dave346
A North Korean Nuclear Pearl Harbor?

First the Germans, now this? /s

43 posted on 04/06/2013 1:38:05 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: lowbridge

There is a lot to be said for flattening these guys just so everyone can just relax and send a message to all rogue nations, you start causing crap and we’ll flatten you for the hell of it. You either step up and sort the looneys out or get of the ball game.

Take out Pyongyang and they have nothing. Its a one horse town.


44 posted on 04/06/2013 2:04:26 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Indeed it isn’t so much the threat as it is the headlines.

Can one discern an appropriate level of concern when we have the 0-team running things? Consider how we “handled” the father for decades without such escalations.

We know less about what the son is doing than we knew about Saddam Hussein. Does it not seem odd all these actions against a rogue nation and we know less about their abiity than when we invaded Iraq because of WMDs?

I always keep in mind the democrats have been itching to require a for the last decade. Most recently Rangel introduced this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2989448/posts

What so many peopel fretted about was the women clause, but again I will point out this is the same bill introduced about 4 years ago(?) that requires not only women register. It is the same “Universal Service” bill. 0bama needs his military socialist complex and they will need a draft of both military and civilians to do this.

This escalation with NK feels wrong and the CIC is just as naively dangerous as Kimmie Kid overthere.

I am feeling like all this escalation is an 0bama strategic blunder.


45 posted on 04/06/2013 2:44:01 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I am seeing this as likely as FDR ignoring the japanese threat to pearl harbor.......


46 posted on 04/06/2013 2:50:41 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I believe they’re in cahoots yes. And Israel news states that scientists from Iran have recently been present at NK weapons facilities.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 3:05:19 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Dave346

48 posted on 04/06/2013 3:08:00 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It’s like the perfect storm huh? It makes me second guess who exactly Mystery Babylon of the end times is. I’m feeling a bit fearful that we have this man in the White house during nuke threats to us!


49 posted on 04/06/2013 3:09:07 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: doorgunner69
"On February 21, 2008, USA destroyed a malfunctioning U.S. spy satellite USA-193 using a RIM-161 Standard Missile 3.
50 posted on 04/06/2013 3:58:20 AM PDT by jpsb
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