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History repeats itself, and this time, we are the NATIVES! Who is Cesar Conda?
TheTownCrier ^ | April 13, 2013 | TheTownCrier

Posted on 04/13/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by AuntB

A few years ago, I wrote a book, "Jesus Wept" an American Story. The story, in part, was about Cherokee Chief John Ross, a 1/8th Cherokee blood, white, blue eyed greedy tyrant. The more time goes on, the more he reminds me of Barak Obama.

He was put in power by Major Ridge and some other realistic Cherokees, who thought the tribe, which functioned under a constitutional government, would fare better in Washington DC if represented by Ross who would be identified more with the white leaders. And for a time, that seemed to work. Until Ross got the taste of power and wealth and refused to give it up. Ross was a master at race baiting and class warfare.

When it was apparent he would be opposed by Ridge's son John, Ross declared a national emergency over the impending Indian Removal Act, did away with the coming elections and had his political rivals assassinated, including Major Ridge, his son John, the eloquent Elias Boudinot along with some of my ancestors. For 40 years he ruled the tribe, sometimes in exile in Washington DC, but always comfortably with the tribes treasury. He bribed enough of the uneducated and class envious Indians to do his bidding and keep him protected.

Sound familiar??? It should.

My father used to tell us that the Cherokee tribe didn't need the US Government to destroy it , though they certainly did their part! They were willing and capable of doing that themselves. In the great production on PBS, "We Shall Remain, Episode 3 'The Trail of Tears', Cherokee actor Wes Study repeated the same conclusion as my father made 50 years ago.

When the Cherokee were finally forced to march in winter without shelter or provisions to a foreign home, thousands died. John Ross refused to give up his power and concede there was no way to fight the federal government over removal, insisting the Cherokee stay until they were pushed out at musket point, with no way to survive the impossible journey. If he had left months earlier when there were better provisions and weather, as my ancestors chose to do, thousands of lives would have been saved. He also insisted, since he operated the only store of supplies, that the trips supplies be purchased from him. Yet, the tribe still believed his lies and followed his lead. The wagon train of my ancestors, led by John Adair "Jack" Bell, of 700 people only lost 21 on the trail. This only further angered Ross, whose own wife died on their journey.

Today, the Democrat party and it's leader, Barak Obama, seem intent on destroying everything we 'natives' have become accustomed to in our way of life... free markets, marriage, family, the 2nd amendment and the right to self preservation. They refuse to enforce many of our laws, promote destruction of our many cultures, refuse to protect our borders and national sovereignty and give us no government representation.

We look to our GOP leaders, just as the Cherokee looked to Ross, and what do we find? Feckless crybabies like John Boehner and the squishy moderate Mitch McConnell, who prop up the democrats more often than not.

Then rides in the great 'Tea Party' Hispanic savior, Marco Rubio to 'save us'. Because he 'looks' more like the opposition. He 'speaks' the language of the NEW constituency! He's the GOP's latest token 'trojan horse'.

Who is really behind Marco Rubio, and what do they want? The Tea Party citizens thought it was them!!! He talked the talk, and fooled us all. No, he hasn't been taken over by Obama and the left, as far as we know. He is part of the enemy within the right. And for the past 30 years, it is always the same players. They are lobbyists who our legislators hire to write our legislation because most of our elected officials let them in exchange for campaign dollars. It is ALWAYS follow the money.

Even John Ross willingly sacrificed his own people to keep his power and to hold out for more federal dollars for Cherokee lands. The Cherokee Tribe was destroyed because they were incapable of realizing who their real enemies were. It appears we are no more enlightened than the 'savages'. We have no excuse for our ignorance, other than BLIND loyalty to sacred cows who should have been hamburger by now!

Meet Cesar Conda, chief of staff, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., close associate and fellow amnesty pusher of Grover Norquist, who last week called all of us who want our borders secured, "Bitter enders", He might as well have called us 'Savages'.

Here is detailed some of the undermining of immigration law these two have accomplished over 3 decades, including working closely with Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute, Conda circulated a statement against Prop. 187 of California in the nineties. The race baiting they pulled on Alan Simpson when he tried to enforce the borders in the 90's was nothing but disgusting.

Conda, an immigration lawyer, was Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief domestic policy adviser. After leaving there, Conda went to work for George Soros on the editorial advisory board of the Soros publication, The International Economy Magazine.

Even amnesty pushers on the left like Conda!

[snip] I think Cesar is the right man for the job,” said Frank Sharry, founder and executive director of the pro-immigration reform group America’s Voice. “Rubio is really lucky to have Cesar Conda as his chief of staff.” Conda...has been working on the issue since the early 1990s when he was part of a group of young, libertarian-minded, pro-immigration conservatives. His government experience runs deep: He worked for former Sen. Spencer Abraham, R-Mich., and was an aide to Vice President Dick Cheney. He also spent time in the private sector as a lobbyist and analyst for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and founded the Washington office of a consulting firm called Navigators Global.

Conda was also involved with The National Foundation for American Policy, a Newt Gingrich group. Don't be fooled, Newt is all about amnesty and has always been!

" Started in 2003, the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to public policy research on trade, immigration, and other issues of national importance. Its Advisory Board members include ....Cesar Conda.... and other prominent individuals."

This statement sums up the Rubio/Conda relationship:

"The White House’s lawyer-friendly draft shows that it “has outsourced the formation of immigration policy to the American Immigration Lawyers Association,” said Camarota. Some of the eight senators also employ staffers who are trained immigration lawyers or who have lobbied for the immigration association before. In 2003, for example, Cesar Conda, Rubio’s chief of staff, lobbied the White House on behalf of the lawyers’ association....Given Sen. Rubio’s role in a smear campaign [using SPLC talking points] against pro-enforcement groups,” said Steve Camarota, the research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, “it does raise the question of how serious he is about enforcement.”"

Conda worked as an advocate for the immigration lawyers’ association.

"As a founding partner of a lobbying firm, Navigators Global, he attended a 2003 meeting in the White House to promote a policy favored by the lawyers’ group, which stands to gain enormously from any law that expands or complicates immigration law.

In the late 1990s, Conda also worked as the legislative director for one-term GOP Sen. Spencer Abraham. In 2000, Abraham lost his Michigan Senate seat after NumbersUSA highlighted Abraham’s role in defeating a bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have curbed legal and illegal immigration.

During that 1996 immigration debate, Abraham opposed an employee-identification plan in the bill that would have required and helped employers reject applicants who were not allowed to legally work in the United States."

Conda had a part in the expensive bank bail outs.

"At this lobbying outfit, Cesar Conda is one of the lobbyists on the Citigroup account. Previously, DC Navigators was one of AIG's go-to firms—until the insurance company halted its lobbying efforts last fall under congressional pressure. AIG, which has received $182 billion from the government, including $40 billion in TARP funds, spent more than $9 million on lobbying in 2008"

Conda was a lobbyist for private prisons who love open borders and government $$$ to incarcerate illegal aliens.

"They also now have a paid lobbyist working in the office of a Republican Senator at the forefront of the immigration debate, in a state with major immigration issues. Take for example the chief of staff to young Republican superstar Marco Rubio, Cesar Conda. Conda still maintains ties to a powerful lobbying firm in Florida that has lobbied for the GEO Group. In fact, he still maintains partial ownership, and was paid between $50,000-$100,000 by the firm after he became Rubio’s chief of staff.. So he’s still being paid by companies like the GEO Group while working as the number-one guy to a US Senator. So the GEO Group has revenues of nearly $2 billion per year, much of which comes from the federal government as payment for detaining immigrants. It has spent more than $5 million in lobbying and political contributions in the past 8 years"

Remember when we warned the Tea Party about getting involved with Dick Armey's Freedom works because he has always been pro amnesty??.....

– Cesar Conda is a senior fellow at Freedom Works and an editorial advisory board member of International Economy Magazine. He is a volunteer policy advisor to the Mitt Romney presidential campaign.

Conda actually states here that the Gang of 8 plan isn't AMNESTY!! You need no more than that to know you are being CONNED BIG TIME!

Think of it! illegal aliens vote democrat. Fact. They believe it is Obama working for them. All these GOP open border amnesty purveyors like Conda get no credit for the decades of work they've done on the behalf of foreign nationals. Instead, Obama gets all their glory. Ignorance never changes. And History repeats itself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rose Cottage, Plantation of Chief John Ross, Circa 1860, near Tahlequah, Indian Territory (Yes, those are African Slaves, owned by Ross)

[snip]After the assassinations, Ross's opposition refused to recognize Ross as their leader. The still smoldering wounds and resulting alliances are outlined by an excerpt from a letter written by Stand Watie and John Adair Bell (my grgruncle) published in the Arkansas Gazette. It explains why after the murders of the Ridges and Boudinot they refused to address Ross as 'Chief'. Eight Treaty Party members apologized for signing the treaty in return for amnesty from the Chief. The assassins were also pardoned by Ross.

"If Mr. Ross expects us to purchase our lives by swearing to the infamous oath which he put in our mouths, he very much mistakes the blood which runs in our veins. Sooner let us fall by the hand of the midnight assassin, than have our names loaded with infamy, and handed down to posterity as traitors, who had saved their country from total destruction, by making the best treaty ever made for any Indians! – The historian will do justice to the memories of the fallen. We will never cause their blood to ride in judgment against us, by casting obloquy on their characters. Eight of our friends have abandoned us. Be the matter with them and their God. We are conscious that we have gained many where we have lost one. The threatened denunciation still hangs over us. Well, if the impending vengeance must fall, let it come upon us with clear consciences."


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" "The White House’s lawyer-friendly draft shows that it “has outsourced the formation of immigration policy to the American Immigration Lawyers Association,” said Camarota. Some of the eight senators also employ staffers who are trained immigration lawyers or who have lobbied for the immigration association before. In 2003, for example, Cesar Conda, Rubio’s chief of staff, lobbied the White House on behalf of the lawyers’ association....Given Sen. Rubio’s role in a smear campaign [using SPLC talking points] against pro-enforcement groups,” said Steve Camarota, the research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, “it does raise the question of how serious he is about enforcement.”"

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1 posted on 04/13/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
Cesar Conda, Rubio’s chief of staff
2 posted on 04/13/2013 1:21:07 PM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the post. A very informative article. Rubio is clearly a RINO to the max!

2 snips from your article:

Conda, an immigration lawyer, was Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief domestic policy adviser. After leaving there, Conda went to work for George Soros on the editorial advisory board of the Soros publication, The International Economy Magazine.

Conda was also involved with The National Foundation for American Policy, a Newt Gingrich group. Don’t be fooled, Newt is all about amnesty and has always been!


3 posted on 04/13/2013 1:27:10 PM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: AuntB
Thanks B. Right hand, left hand, and joined hands and when there is more than enough enforcers (think media) receiving kickbacks just think of the possibilities to control our minds. It is a game. Elections are mostly ruses. Those in power say, PROVE IT. Well my congressional friends, may I point to Gallup? Truth is nobody could be reelected on the numbers coming out on congress and their approval ratings! Each of us being only an observer ... Guess how far you or I can go seeking the truth before the first shot is fired from those whom rule us? Good Luck everyone! Great Truths in this article.
4 posted on 04/13/2013 1:31:27 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Perseverando; no-to-illegals

Thank you. Let’s put some light on some sacred cows, shall we???


5 posted on 04/13/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Warning .. we will be shot! Don’t go in without knowing. This will be our end. They don’t call him skerry for nothing.


6 posted on 04/13/2013 1:45:59 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: All; sickoflibs; Liz; Pelham; HiJinx; SandRat; cripplecreek; wardaddy; raybbr; montag813; ...

7 posted on 04/13/2013 1:46:24 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

back later


8 posted on 04/13/2013 1:48:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: AuntB

Rose Cottage, Plantation of Chief John Ross, Circa 1860, near Tahlequah, Indian Territory

(Yes, those are African Slaves, owned by Ross)

9 posted on 04/13/2013 1:50:25 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Good gosh! The amnesty web never stops! Rubio -> Conda -> Cato, Soros, Freedom Works, Newt and on and on.

Good article. Thanks for posting.

10 posted on 04/13/2013 1:59:49 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: AuntB
Think of it! illegal aliens vote democrat. Fact.

It isn't an "illegal alien" vote that wins the elections for democrats and elects democrat presidents and Senators, it is the immigrant vote period.

We need to end this mass immigration, legal and illegal.

11 posted on 04/13/2013 2:04:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Jane Long

Oh, it’s a nasty, entangled web for sure...Conda was a mentor to Paul Ryan and an advisor to Romney. I realize lobbyists are perhaps a necessary evil, but they have NO business writing law and policy.


12 posted on 04/13/2013 2:06:36 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: ansel12

“It isn’t an “illegal alien” vote that wins the elections for democrats and elects democrat presidents and Senators, it is the immigrant vote period.

We need to end this mass immigration, legal and illegal. “

The illegal alien will vote when he gets amnesty. Too many of them vote now.

But, yes, I see your point. No disagreement here.


13 posted on 04/13/2013 2:08:22 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Am going to change the subject if I may. Organizing appears headed nowhere. Have come to conclusion that those still whom have a job are scared. Those without a job cannot afford it unless they put back for these rainy days. Then there is the I don't care either way crowd. Then there is the opposition crowd that want this nation destroyed, and last there are the Civilized People. The People whom believe in this nation's Constitution and Bill of Rights. If one was to make a guess and this is a guess ... that looks to be 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3 in the present in our nation as was prior to the Revolution. Let us add in the world and the odds become 1/3 say leave me alone if consistent with our own population. Take note that number may be a little less or more of the leave me alone crowd. Approximately 17/30 or greater than half wants the heads of the Civilized World on a platter and 1/10 is the remainder of the civilized world who heads the 17/30ths wants on a platter. Long odds. Easy to see why our planet is at the edge of the cliff when playing with the math.

Yes, Boring post of the day! Nobody likes math. If our congress and our presidents (the current one being the largest spender of all past) liked math we would not be at the edge of the cliff by design.

14 posted on 04/13/2013 3:32:39 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: AuntB

Marco Rubio with ties to George Soros...probably taking money from Soros like McCain and Graham


15 posted on 04/13/2013 4:32:23 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“Marco Rubio with ties to George Soros...probably taking money from Soros like McCain and Graham”

I understand what you’re saying....looks like a duck.

I can’t say positively that Rubio has ‘ties to George Soros’. Rubio’s chief of staff, Cesar Conda has ties to Soros, and everyone else with Amnestynesia like Grover Norquist who admits to being right in the middle of making of the gang of 8 policy and using SPLC propaganda with Rubio to destroy any and all ‘immigration’ opponents. SPLC called FR a hate group. What I can conclude is that Rubio is not on our side of anything and that DC biggest lobbyists used the tea party to get him elected!

Norquist has had ties to CAIR and radical Islam for years, yet there he is, year after year, whatever the administration, writing law.

We have to wise up. Soon.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3007333/posts?page=32#32


16 posted on 04/13/2013 4:43:14 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Warning .. we will be shot! Don’t go in without knowing. This will be our end. They don’t call him skerry for nothing.”

Well, If I gotta go, getting shot is how I’d go. Much quicker and nicer than being beat to death or slashed up with a knife.


17 posted on 04/13/2013 4:45:04 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
10-4. May you get off, by the Grace of God, one good shot in your own self defense should an enemy come for any of us. Won't that make 'em mad!
18 posted on 04/13/2013 5:12:55 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: AuntB

I’m going to steal an idea, somewhat, from William F. Buckley. We would be better off picking our leaders out of a phone book than how we’re doing it now.

“They could be bribed!” Look at what we have now.

“They could be out just for themselves!” Look at what we have now.

“They could make stupid decisions!” Look at what we have now.

“Other leaders might take advantage of them!” Look at what we have now.

“It would be hard to get rid of them!” Look at what we have now.

“They might be lazy!” Look at what we have now.

I propose a Constitutional Convention to amend the US Constitution to do away with elections and have our leaders selected by throwing darts at a list of American citizens. We can’t do any worse than what we have now.


19 posted on 04/13/2013 6:42:33 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

“I’m going to steal an idea, somewhat, from William F. Buckley. We would be better off picking our leaders out of a phone book than how we’re doing it now.

“They could be bribed!” Look at what we have now.

“They could be out just for themselves!” Look at what we have now.

“They could make stupid decisions!” Look at what we have now.

“Other leaders might take advantage of them!” Look at what we have now.

“It would be hard to get rid of them!” Look at what we have now.

“They might be lazy!” Look at what we have now.

I propose a Constitutional Convention to amend the US Constitution to do away with elections and have our leaders selected by throwing darts at a list of American citizens. We can’t do any worse than what we have now.”

Amen!


20 posted on 04/13/2013 7:58:05 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: wardaddy; Travis McGee

ping


21 posted on 04/13/2013 9:18:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Without Deportation you have De Facto Amnesty.)
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To: AuntB

You are one amazing woman! Thanks!

BTTT!


22 posted on 04/13/2013 11:47:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: AuntB

New tagline ...


23 posted on 04/14/2013 3:55:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Seek the lesser of two evils and God is likely to give it to you, and the greater evil too.)
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To: dixiechick2000

You are too kind! Let’s shine some light on these cockroaches!


24 posted on 04/14/2013 6:53:30 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
I'm surprised you didn't ping me to this.

Good work. Do you have it posted elsewhere?

25 posted on 04/14/2013 7:42:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hi, Carry. It’s all over the web. You are on my email list, you should have gotten it.

Thanks!


26 posted on 04/14/2013 7:44:54 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
I didn't get it.

My computer died a few weeks ago and I had to build another. Although I recovered most of my data, Outlook is still not fully restored. So I'm not quite yet back up to speed. My address book is one of the casualties.

I found your page on it, so that's what I needed. I'll be passing it on.

27 posted on 04/14/2013 7:53:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Perseverando

Another snake in the ball of snakes intent on destroying America.


28 posted on 04/14/2013 7:56:09 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


29 posted on 04/14/2013 8:01:20 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Carry_Okie; TADSLOS; All

Rubio is on ALL the morning shows, I’m watching fox news Sunday...I know this is gonna make me puke!


30 posted on 04/14/2013 8:01:55 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
I love this piece AuntB for its well researched content, but IMO it suffers from a distracting title and lead in, probably because much of it was written before the simultaneous crush on guns and immigration was engineered.

Yet for an article posted today, given the timing and the mediot air time being given to Rubio, IMO he needs to figure prominently in the title. Eg, "Rubio is not a naive idealist; he is a traitor. Who is Cesar Conda?" If you then followed with a lead asking the rhetorical question, 'What do Marco Rubio, Grover Norquist, and George Soros have in common?' along with just a few tidbits, I'd bet that you'd get a lot more reads given the Sunday talk shows. So I know you're busy, but you might want to post a parallel page and repost the thread under the new title.

31 posted on 04/14/2013 10:01:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Gee, If I had known you are an ‘editor’, I’d have hired you!

I gave it the title, because that’s what I wanted.


32 posted on 04/14/2013 10:07:55 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Gee, If I had known you are an ‘editor’, I’d have hired you!

Like you, I've written a couple of books. Like you, I have my interests and they aren't necessarily the hooks the public needs to want to read my work. It's a marketing problem, not a content problem. I care about you and want your work to be read widely. I'd LOVE to see Chris Wallace asking Rubio that rhetorical question about Cesar Conda.

I gave it the title, because that’s what I wanted.

Obviously, but you also want people to read it. The two aren't necessarily aligned. I have the same problem. So it's just a suggestion. I don't get as much honest and informed feedback on my work as I'd like.

33 posted on 04/14/2013 11:12:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thank you!


34 posted on 04/14/2013 11:24:45 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

OMG....this just proves that you can’t trust ANYONE on earth!! The TRINITY is the ONLY place to put your trust...other than your spouse, if you’re lucky.


35 posted on 04/14/2013 11:26:53 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: AuntB
Cross linking Grover Norquist Goes After Heritage Foundation Over Illegal Alien Amnesty
36 posted on 04/14/2013 11:55:14 AM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yes it is.

If it does not include prison time for those who have come here illegally, worked illegally, used false papers illegally, committed identity theft, received government benefits under false names/pretenses, driving without licenses/insurance etc etc. BTW, will the bill also excuse the American citizens who violate these same laws?

then it is amnesty!!


37 posted on 04/14/2013 12:26:18 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: kitchen; SierraWasp; All

Vampire Norquist...sucking the blood out of Conservatism!

38 posted on 04/14/2013 12:55:47 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Ah yes!!!

Yet another picture worth a million words!!!

39 posted on 04/14/2013 1:05:59 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: AuntB

BTTT


40 posted on 04/14/2013 1:49:34 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: AuntB

Great read/info, thanks for the ping AuntB


41 posted on 04/14/2013 2:10:38 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 ¬Ė Mar 1, 2012)
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To: All

A side note that came to mind I’d like to share.

Mentioned in the article is one John Adair “Jack” Bell, who led a somewhat ‘successful’ wagon train after removal. He was one of the signers of the Treaty of New Echota, who was marked for death by the John Ross faction. Ross’s own brother had also signed, but he was forgiven. So, this wagon train consisted of families in opposition to Ross, trying to survive assassination attempts and was the last detachment to leave.
Jack couldn’t leave Georgia until Ross and his henchmen were gone, because they would have been sitting ducks out in the wilderness, many on foot. And Ross just would not go! Finally, in late October, they were able to leave.

Here is a timeline of that trip.

The Indian Removal Act was signed into law by President Andrew Jackson on May 28, 1830.
1835 December 29 Treaty of New Echota for Cherokee removal west signed with
      US government by members of Ridge Party.
1838 October, Ridge Party families of Bell, Adair, Lynch, and others
      removed from their homes, entered at Ft.Cass, Tenn. for holding to
      await removal to Indian Territory West.
1838 Nov.22, Bell Detachment arrives Memphis, TN. Buried 17 in Monroe County
1838 Dec.25, Bell Detachment ferries Point Remove Creek, N.E.of Little Rock.
1839 January 7, Bell Detachment arrives at Evansville, Ark.  Completed 707
      miles in 89 days
1839 June 22, Honey Creek, I.T, Major Ridge, son John Ridge and Elias
      Boudinot assassinated

Jack Bell was an interesting man. He had been a guide and trader between Arkansas and the Cherokee nation in what is now NW Georgia. He was well educated and eloquent, as witnessed by the letter in the article. He made friends with the Army during the trade years and convinced them to let him guide the contingent instead of the Army, and to allow him to use trails he had scouted with some military routes. He also arranged to have household goods rafted down the mississippi, up the Arkansas, so they would have provisions when they arrived and not have items to be stolen. Hoodlums haunted some of the Cherokee contingents and stole from them often, until there was nothing left.

His was the shortest in miles of all the routes, with the fewest casualties. Bell had arranged all their supplies without John Ross’s supervision and sales from the Ross ‘mercantile’.

There was 8 years between Jackson signing the Indian Removal act and the departure of the Cherokee. Early in that period, the Indians were under constant attack, mostly through the courts and by the Georgia Militia trying to force them out of their homes. I’m not talking Teepees here. These were well appointed, often European designed, spacious homes on plantations.

Jack Bell was just one of the Cherokee the Georgia Militia jailed.

From the Book ‘Jesus Wept’ An American Story
Chapter 2    -    Law, Law Understood, and Law Executed

     President Jackson passed his Indian Removal act, settlers were moving into Cherokee homes and it became apparent to the sensible leaders of the Cherokee Nation that removal would happen.  Their protests or their Supreme Court victories which stated the Cherokee Nation had all the rights of any state of the union and was by legal definition, sovereign, did not matter.  Jackson’s position was that he would not enforce the ruling of the court to stop the incursion.  Prominent Cherokees in the community were made examples of to further the ends of white settlement of the Cherokee homes.
     An 1832 Edition of the Cherokee Phoenix Newspaper tells of the arrest of the twenty-six year old son of John Bell, Jr. and Charlotte Adair. He was also the grandson of John Bell, Scottish immigrant and his Cherokee wife.
     “We understand on Wednesday morning Mr. John A. Bell of Coosewaytee was arrested by a detachment of the Georgia Guard.  Mr. B. is a native.  What the charge was we are unable to say; and in fact it is impossible to know, for these law officers go to work without a written precept.”

     Subsequent issues of The Phoenix contain letters from other citizens stating that weeks later Bell and others had not been charged, but were still held in ‘custody’, not allowed representation or visitation.  No ‘crime’ was necessary.  The only prerequisite was having something the ‘powers that be’ of Georgia wanted or to be eloquent and brave enough to speak against them.  Such treatment would explain why Cherokees like John Adair Bell signed the Treaty of New Echota in December of 1835 and voted to accept the offer by the U.S. Government to remove voluntarily beyond the Mississippi.  To escape living with the daily persecution by the State of Georgia Militia and its citizens must have seemed logical.  To them, it was a choice of having life and home somewhere with dignity or to lose it all......

     Elias Boudinot, as Editor of The Cherokee Phoenix, which was published both in English and Cherokee and read in the East and Europe,  captured the Cherokee situation in just a few words.
     “Perhaps Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe were only tantalizing us when they encouraged us in the pursuit of agriculture and government.  Why were we not told long ago that we could not be permitted to establish a government within the limits of any state?  The Cherokees have always had a government of their own.  Nothing, however, was said when we were governed by savage laws.  Others say it is time for the Cherokees to submit to inevitable destiny.
     What Destiny?  To be slandered and then butchered?  Yes, this is the bitter cup prepared for us by a republican and religious government.  We shall drink it to the dregs.”

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http://jesusweptanamericanstory.blogspot.com/


42 posted on 04/14/2013 4:38:15 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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The "Trail of Tears" various routes Circa 1838-1839
43 posted on 04/14/2013 4:39:42 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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44 posted on 04/14/2013 5:43:00 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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Not certain why this is your post to me GeronL. This bill is amnesty and more. The more is a whole MORE story. Did I miss something?
45 posted on 04/14/2013 7:04:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

No reason to post to you, just liked your handle


46 posted on 04/14/2013 8:42:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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TEA party is not necessarily about immigration, although most members might agree with the immigration position.

I’m not sure what to think about this article, I don’t entirely agree or disagree.


47 posted on 04/14/2013 11:35:23 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: GeronL
Thank You for the compliment. I appreciate you.
48 posted on 04/15/2013 2:32:53 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Monorprise

“TEA party is not necessarily about immigration, although most members might agree with the immigration position.”

You’re right, the ‘tea party’ is not necessarily about immigration. It certainly is NOT about being hijacked by Norquist, Conda & other lobbyists to PROMOTE amnesty, is it?

“I’m not sure what to think about this article, I don’t entirely agree or disagree.”

It’s not an opinion piece, it’s a presentation of facts.


49 posted on 04/15/2013 7:41:36 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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“You’re right, the ‘tea party’ is not necessarily about immigration. It certainly is NOT about being hijacked by Norquist, Conda & other lobbyists to PROMOTE amnesty, is it?”

I think if your neutral on an issue you tend not to care about the position of your political leaders on that issue.
This is the point of big government and why it is incomparable with democracy.

Every segment of the population has a diffrent view on different issues, and most segments care about one issue above all others, even as they might care about the other issues. Democracy forces us to abandon attention to the non-prime issues inorder to have things done right on the prime issues.

the result is a dysfunctional mess where politicians are free to act as they wish on 80% of matters which increasingly dictate our lives and upset us. Meanwhile as theses ‘other’ choices effect and indeed harm us people are forced to shift between issues affectingly getting nowhere.

Even if we could agree on how best to live our lives, we could not express that agreement in Washington on anything but a tiny few matters if that.


50 posted on 04/15/2013 10:17:23 AM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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