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Boston bombing suspect charged, will not be treated as enemy combatant
Fox News ^ | April 22, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 04/22/2013 10:42:57 AM PDT by Envisioning

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To: Southack

Yep. He’s a citizen. While he probably never should have been granted citizenship in the first place, assuming he got it legally, he’s entitled to the due process given a citizen in criminal proceedings. To do less is to head down a very dangerous slippery slope that ends when thugs like Obama and his ilk label US the “terrorists.” And you know the ACLU won’t be there to worry about conservatives’ rights when that happens.

}:-)4


101 posted on 04/22/2013 3:49:46 PM PDT by Moose4 (SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.)
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To: onyx
He’s an American citizen.

The Constitution applies to him.

I find it pretty amazing conservatives who believe the Constitution is sacrosanct throw their principles away on this issue...

Whether I like it or not, he is an American citizen, and the Constitution applies to him...

We trend a dangerous path when because what this kid did was so horrific...we want to deny him due process...that argument can and will be used against us...by this administration and their minions..

102 posted on 04/22/2013 3:49:52 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Envisioning
Fox News just reported that he was read his Miranda Rights and lawyered up.
103 posted on 04/22/2013 3:51:21 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Popman

Yes, and he’s a traitor, a Moslem jihadist and a mass murderer.

He’s been read his Miranda rights and now he’s lawyered up.

So much for “intell.”


104 posted on 04/22/2013 3:55:20 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Envisioning

He “became a citizen” on September 11th, 2012.

The Times Square Bomber “became a citizen” just before he went to place his bomb.

There should be a legal provision of automatic revocation if it is determined that someone “becomes a citizen” in order to do an act of terrorism and then get all the rights and privileges of a citizen upon being caught.

False pretenses, fraud, misrepresentation of intent, SOMETHING.


105 posted on 04/22/2013 3:59:25 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: onyx
So much for “intell.”

Well... I agree "Intell" was lost... but I have a inkling that as sloppy as this terrorist operation was...he left lots of connect the dots type of information... easily acquired via data mining...his worthless life..

106 posted on 04/22/2013 4:03:55 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Lumper20

Wishing death or dismemberment on your fellow FReepers families is no way to go about making your point.

Makes you look idiotic. And most will associate that idiocy with the points you are trying to make.


107 posted on 04/22/2013 4:06:50 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Popman

Well, “intell” was promised by the authorities.... just saying.

I knew his first word would be, “lawyer.”


108 posted on 04/22/2013 4:08:25 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Lazamataz

This “enemy combatant” issue seems to have become a vehicle
to advance the political careers of John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Graham has to face the voters next year, so he must look tough on terrorism.

I’m not taking the bait and being sucked into this wedge issue for Graham’s re-election.


109 posted on 04/22/2013 4:30:08 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: bamahead

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/Quran-Hate.htm

Your Libertarian BS makes you look like a real commie from Alabama. In the years I lived in Huntsville, I met no looney tunes like you.


110 posted on 04/22/2013 4:36:02 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: bamahead

Go to Huntsville and tell them you ran into Bobby Callahan’s friend. You are not too smart.


111 posted on 04/22/2013 4:39:35 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
There is one thing we can all agree on and that is that all of those in this thread who agree with the civil court for the terrorist do so for different reasoning than pResident Obama.

Obama's White House claims it's because of the US Constitution but we all know deep down inside how Obama really feels about that document. We also know how he really feels about our military and how he feels about attaching the word "terrorist" to any Muslim.

While Obama's decision may be how some Republicans and/or some conservatives may have desired, the reasoning is not necessarily the same.

Obama HATES America and is pro-Islam and that's the ONLY reason for his decision.

112 posted on 04/22/2013 4:52:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Lumper20
Sadly, Alabama is filled with LIBERALS just like yourself, who think it's just fine n' dandy to suspend the Constitution whenever convienient...based on their personal feeeeeeeeeeeelings. And most of them think voting for the R exempts them from this classification. It does not.

Liberals base all their idiocy in feeeeeeelings. So, because of your feeeeelings...we should disregard that this Chechnyan Muslim creep (however disgusting it may be to us) was a U.S. citizen. Either it protects him, or it protects none of us. You can argue that he obtained citizenship under false pretenses, and should have it stripped, and I would agree with you there.

I hope Bobby Callahan knows what a sorry friend he has...wishing death and mutiliation on people who disagree with him. More hopefully, I hope you don't really feel that way and are just one of those people who types before he thinks.

To recap your original post:

I hope a Muslim terrorist kills or maims a loved one of yours.

You stay classy, now.
113 posted on 04/22/2013 4:58:47 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: left that other site

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Obama recieve a call...”Just hours after the Boston Marathon bombings, Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the act as a “disgusting” crime and offered to help in any way he could.”
I thought this conversation included confirmation by Putin that the suspects were indeed tied to terrorist groups.

Putin Wins, Obama Loses in Boston Jihad - Forbes

“The Chechen origin of the Boston bombers gives Putin a freer hand to deal ... Three officials on the list were charged with atrocities in Chechnya.”

Would this not influence citizenship, making it mandatory to reverse the issuance of said citizenship?


114 posted on 04/22/2013 5:25:26 PM PDT by Golfinsocal
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To: bamahead

You are an instigator.


115 posted on 04/22/2013 5:31:02 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Golfinsocal

I would hope so.


116 posted on 04/22/2013 5:37:16 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: Lumper20

Nope. I simply apply unvarnished logic without evasion nor hesitation.


117 posted on 04/22/2013 5:42:46 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

My wife and I ran into a libertarian like you last week. The clown thought it was great to slay trout and bass on beds during spawning, and; he stated-”I should not have to answer to any laws.” We are a nation of laws. Only those we needed were provided/. Now, go play with your smoke your dope pals.


118 posted on 04/22/2013 5:43:36 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Lumper20

No, you ran into an idiot that you chose to label with whatever fits with your broad brush of the day.

Your feeeeeeelings are showing again. Did you tell him that you wished him killed or maimed by a Muslim too?


119 posted on 04/22/2013 5:51:35 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Did you ever serve in combat loud mouth?


120 posted on 04/22/2013 6:04:23 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: P-Marlowe

If an American citizen were on the battlefield in Afghanistan fighting against US forces and were captured, would he be an enemy combatant or would he be an entitled US citizen?


121 posted on 04/22/2013 6:18:19 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lumper20

No I did not have that honor. I have a physical disability which disqualifies me from service.

Does serving in combat give you moral justification for wishing death or maiming of someone’s family whose post on a forum you don’t agree with?


122 posted on 04/22/2013 6:29:12 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: xzins

In the case of an American Citizen being caught on a foreign battlefield fighting for the enemy, I think that there is no question but that they can be treated as an enemy combatant.


123 posted on 04/22/2013 6:55:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: bamahead

You have a disability that kept you from serving. How sad. My comment was based to awaken folks like you who think these punks deserve rights. No more replies to those who dodge military service while others die. Did you eat too much?


124 posted on 04/22/2013 6:56:12 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Lumper20

Once again you make this about me, when it should be about your despicable comments wishing more Muslim Jihad on innocents to prove your point on a forum. Just like a liberal.

Your disability goes far beyond what I can help.


125 posted on 04/22/2013 7:03:30 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Envisioning

He can be tried a DOMESTIC traitor then allied with his brother who trained overseas with enemies of this nation (known as such by the Russkies and reported as such to our FBI).


126 posted on 04/22/2013 7:05:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Envisioning

If he’s a citizen, he has the rights of an American citizen. I just hope the “public safely” exception to the Miranda rights holds up in court.


127 posted on 04/22/2013 7:45:01 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Envisioning
The "littlest terrorist" as depicted by the LSM:


128 posted on 04/22/2013 7:47:52 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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I guess it depends on whether or not he is considered a member of Al Qaeda or not doesn’t it? Or has the definition of EC changed?


129 posted on 04/22/2013 7:52:24 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist.............one more time.............)
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To: camle

Agree. We need to stop fudging definitions. E.g., not long after 911 suddenly every heinous crime was “terrorism”. No. Terrorism is an organized conspiracy to cause mass injury without going to war. Now we want every person with a hint of Islam and mass killing to be called a combatant - IOW a soldier. He is not a soldier of a foreign nation or even a conspiratorial organization. He is here and acted independently.


130 posted on 04/22/2013 8:10:18 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Envisioning

And by doing this, he can’t possibly get a “fair” trial cause it was all over the news, which means maybe Obammy will let the UN oversee the trial, and...SHOCKER, the DOMESTIC ENEMY will get off the hook.

Think I’m gonna be sick :p


131 posted on 04/22/2013 8:14:47 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Envisioning
Wake up America! He is an enemy combatant, there is no doubt. Jeeze......

I was always taught that our Constitution was not a suicide pact - I no longer believe that. NOW WE SEE WHAT TRASFORMATION LOOKS LIKE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL.
132 posted on 04/22/2013 9:56:31 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: P-Marlowe

I understand the state can charge him as well, and likely will at some point . Is that correct?


133 posted on 04/22/2013 11:41:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: the OlLine Rebel

my big concern is his miranda status. this decision NOT to read him his miranda rights is gonna bite us.


134 posted on 04/23/2013 4:17:05 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: CondorFlight; TigersEye

Neither Sirhan nor Oswald nor Ray ever got open trials,
with cross-examinations and questions asked.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Neither will this be a trial. In all liklihood A guilty plea will be negotiated for a life sentence instead of the death penalty. The public will see none of the facts or the supposed intel the Feds get.Meanwhile the Boston public offered up its blood , treasure and lives only to be jilted by a liberal fascist government under an immigrant president who is as UnAmerican as the criminal being tried?

Obama just made a HUGE mistake. And he will pay for it.


135 posted on 04/23/2013 5:12:27 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: P-Marlowe

This is where I have real difficulty, PM.

I agree that being part of the enemy force and being captured overseas is definitely a battlefield capture of an enemy combatant.

However, IF that citizen in that foreign fighting force becomes part of an infiltration team to attack the USA, they then enter America’s porous border, and they then attack America, then I’m still thinking that the guy is CLEARLY still a member of that foreign fighting force, and that his capture would be a battlefield capture. That is, UNLESS they were out of “uniform”, they could be tried as spies.

What do you think?


136 posted on 04/23/2013 6:11:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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137 posted on 04/23/2013 6:35:21 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: keats5

Once a citizen takes up arms against this nation-he is a deserter/traitor in war. We had a Marine go AWOL in 1968 or so in RVN. I was shown his photo leading VC patrols by the border. I was sent in to kill him. Sadly, we could not find the traitor. This punk is no different and much more despicable. He blew up innocent unarmed civilians. I have more respect for that traitor then this punk we gave citizenship to for doing zip.


138 posted on 04/23/2013 10:56:24 AM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: DouglasKC
>>and they will put ALL the Blame on the dead brother

It's already happening...some newsperson or a poltician on one of the sunday news show said that he had been brainwashed by his older brother about all that Muslim stuff....

If big bra' wasn't a US citizen (and my understanding is that he was not, he was here on a green card), that makes Terrorist #2 is partnership with a foreign agent with the aim of attacking this nation. Ergo he CAN be convicted of treason.

139 posted on 04/23/2013 11:39:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: P-Marlowe
If the government can take that away from him, it can take it away from you.

Can't strip a natural born citizen of his US citizenship.

140 posted on 04/23/2013 12:20:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: camle; tsowellfan; Uncle Chip; Lazamataz; Obadiah; dead; P-Marlowe; fella; DannyTN; molson209; ...
no, this is what they did to macveigh. he’s a us citizen on us soil. if we lose our constitutional protections in this case, it will set a dangerous precedent. we can’t have justice by lynch mob.

He's had his naturalized citizenship for less than a year. He took an oath to defend this nation. He lied.

List of denaturalized former citizens of the United States

including Nazi war criminals and serious crimes, suspicion of spying for the communists, or association with terrorists

If he was already plotting and training for such activities before he was sworn in, this case seems applicable:

Jean-Baptiste, Lionel (born 1947) circa 2003

Failure to "establish and maintain 'good moral character'"[99] due to conviction as a drug dealer after application for citizenship, but before his naturalization on April 23, 1996.

Also

Goldman, Emma (1869–1940) Anarchist. 1919 Deported on December 21, 1919; landed in Finland on January 17, 1920, and sent from there to the Russian border

If we go the route that he IS a citizen, then he engaged in treason by participating in the acts with a foreign national (his brother) in support of foreign agents (who trained his brother).

141 posted on 04/23/2013 12:21:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Too bad his older brother didn’t survive — then you could have Tamarlan tried in military court while Joker is tried in federal court.

I wonder if the State is going to charge him with manslaughter and leaving the scene of an accident in the death of his brother since he ran over him.


142 posted on 04/23/2013 12:42:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

You have some who say that it is unclear if Terrorist #2 driving over his brother is what was the “death blow”.

Then again, we are talking about the state that let Dead Red Ted Kennedy get away with vehicular manslaughter and failure to report an accident in a timely manner (until he’d lawyered/sobered up).


143 posted on 04/23/2013 1:20:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

I believe a traitor loses his/her citizenship just as the AWOL Marine in RVN did.


144 posted on 04/23/2013 3:13:34 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: bamahead

Many will die and/or become maimed until this nation throws every Muslim out of it.


145 posted on 04/23/2013 3:20:34 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: a fool in paradise

you’re splitting hairs, whether he should have been granted citizenship is now a moot point he IS a citizens. if we start rationalizing that criminal intent voids citizenship, then it won’t be too long before the left uses that same cudgel against conservatives.

we either have constitutional protections or we try to weasel our way otu of them. if we can toss their rights out the window when it suits our purposes, they will be able to toss ORU rights out the window when it suits their purposes


146 posted on 04/24/2013 4:48:20 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle
if we start rationalizing that criminal intent voids citizenship,

Not starting. Continuing something understood for at least 100 years.

And again, you can't use it against those born here.

Peter Jennings LIED when he became a citizen of the United States in 2004 (he brags about keeping his Canadian citizenship) so that he could vote against Bush.

Lie under your swearing in oath, out on your ass.

147 posted on 04/24/2013 9:27:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

the thing is that he’s a us citizen. period. and he’s entitled to the same legal protections as every other american
citizen.


148 posted on 04/24/2013 9:45:16 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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