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Posted on 04/22/2013 10:42:57 AM PDT by Envisioning
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Yep. He’s a citizen. While he probably never should have been granted citizenship in the first place, assuming he got it legally, he’s entitled to the due process given a citizen in criminal proceedings. To do less is to head down a very dangerous slippery slope that ends when thugs like Obama and his ilk label US the “terrorists.” And you know the ACLU won’t be there to worry about conservatives’ rights when that happens.
The Constitution applies to him.
I find it pretty amazing conservatives who believe the Constitution is sacrosanct throw their principles away on this issue...
Whether I like it or not, he is an American citizen, and the Constitution applies to him...
We trend a dangerous path when because what this kid did was so horrific...we want to deny him due process...that argument can and will be used against us...by this administration and their minions..
Yes, and he’s a traitor, a Moslem jihadist and a mass murderer.
He’s been read his Miranda rights and now he’s lawyered up.
So much for “intell.”
He “became a citizen” on September 11th, 2012.
The Times Square Bomber “became a citizen” just before he went to place his bomb.
There should be a legal provision of automatic revocation if it is determined that someone “becomes a citizen” in order to do an act of terrorism and then get all the rights and privileges of a citizen upon being caught.
False pretenses, fraud, misrepresentation of intent, SOMETHING.
Well... I agree "Intell" was lost... but I have a inkling that as sloppy as this terrorist operation was...he left lots of connect the dots type of information... easily acquired via data mining...his worthless life..
Wishing death or dismemberment on your fellow FReepers families is no way to go about making your point.
Makes you look idiotic. And most will associate that idiocy with the points you are trying to make.
Well, “intell” was promised by the authorities.... just saying.
I knew his first word would be, “lawyer.”
This “enemy combatant” issue seems to have become a vehicle
to advance the political careers of John McCain and Lindsey Graham.
Graham has to face the voters next year, so he must look tough on terrorism.
I’m not taking the bait and being sucked into this wedge issue for Graham’s re-election.
Your Libertarian BS makes you look like a real commie from Alabama. In the years I lived in Huntsville, I met no looney tunes like you.
Go to Huntsville and tell them you ran into Bobby Callahan’s friend. You are not too smart.
Obama's White House claims it's because of the US Constitution but we all know deep down inside how Obama really feels about that document. We also know how he really feels about our military and how he feels about attaching the word "terrorist" to any Muslim.
While Obama's decision may be how some Republicans and/or some conservatives may have desired, the reasoning is not necessarily the same.
Obama HATES America and is pro-Islam and that's the ONLY reason for his decision.
Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt Obama recieve a call...Just hours after the Boston Marathon bombings, Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the act as a disgusting crime and offered to help in any way he could.
I thought this conversation included confirmation by Putin that the suspects were indeed tied to terrorist groups.
Putin Wins, Obama Loses in Boston Jihad - Forbes
The Chechen origin of the Boston bombers gives Putin a freer hand to deal ... Three officials on the list were charged with atrocities in Chechnya.
Would this not influence citizenship, making it mandatory to reverse the issuance of said citizenship?
You are an instigator.
I would hope so.
Nope. I simply apply unvarnished logic without evasion nor hesitation.
My wife and I ran into a libertarian like you last week. The clown thought it was great to slay trout and bass on beds during spawning, and; he stated-”I should not have to answer to any laws.” We are a nation of laws. Only those we needed were provided/. Now, go play with your smoke your dope pals.
No, you ran into an idiot that you chose to label with whatever fits with your broad brush of the day.
Your feeeeeeelings are showing again. Did you tell him that you wished him killed or maimed by a Muslim too?
Did you ever serve in combat loud mouth?
If an American citizen were on the battlefield in Afghanistan fighting against US forces and were captured, would he be an enemy combatant or would he be an entitled US citizen?
No I did not have that honor. I have a physical disability which disqualifies me from service.
Does serving in combat give you moral justification for wishing death or maiming of someone’s family whose post on a forum you don’t agree with?
In the case of an American Citizen being caught on a foreign battlefield fighting for the enemy, I think that there is no question but that they can be treated as an enemy combatant.
You have a disability that kept you from serving. How sad. My comment was based to awaken folks like you who think these punks deserve rights. No more replies to those who dodge military service while others die. Did you eat too much?
Once again you make this about me, when it should be about your despicable comments wishing more Muslim Jihad on innocents to prove your point on a forum. Just like a liberal.
Your disability goes far beyond what I can help.
He can be tried a DOMESTIC traitor then allied with his brother who trained overseas with enemies of this nation (known as such by the Russkies and reported as such to our FBI).
If he’s a citizen, he has the rights of an American citizen. I just hope the “public safely” exception to the Miranda rights holds up in court.
I guess it depends on whether or not he is considered a member of Al Qaeda or not doesn’t it? Or has the definition of EC changed?
Agree. We need to stop fudging definitions. E.g., not long after 911 suddenly every heinous crime was “terrorism”. No. Terrorism is an organized conspiracy to cause mass injury without going to war. Now we want every person with a hint of Islam and mass killing to be called a combatant - IOW a soldier. He is not a soldier of a foreign nation or even a conspiratorial organization. He is here and acted independently.
And by doing this, he can’t possibly get a “fair” trial cause it was all over the news, which means maybe Obammy will let the UN oversee the trial, and...SHOCKER, the DOMESTIC ENEMY will get off the hook.
Think I’m gonna be sick :p
I understand the state can charge him as well, and likely will at some point . Is that correct?
my big concern is his miranda status. this decision NOT to read him his miranda rights is gonna bite us.
Neither Sirhan nor Oswald nor Ray ever got open trials,
with cross-examinations and questions asked.)
Neither will this be a trial. In all liklihood A guilty plea will be negotiated for a life sentence instead of the death penalty. The public will see none of the facts or the supposed intel the Feds get.Meanwhile the Boston public offered up its blood , treasure and lives only to be jilted by a liberal fascist government under an immigrant president who is as UnAmerican as the criminal being tried?
Obama just made a HUGE mistake. And he will pay for it.
This is where I have real difficulty, PM.
I agree that being part of the enemy force and being captured overseas is definitely a battlefield capture of an enemy combatant.
However, IF that citizen in that foreign fighting force becomes part of an infiltration team to attack the USA, they then enter America’s porous border, and they then attack America, then I’m still thinking that the guy is CLEARLY still a member of that foreign fighting force, and that his capture would be a battlefield capture. That is, UNLESS they were out of “uniform”, they could be tried as spies.
What do you think?
Once a citizen takes up arms against this nation-he is a deserter/traitor in war. We had a Marine go AWOL in 1968 or so in RVN. I was shown his photo leading VC patrols by the border. I was sent in to kill him. Sadly, we could not find the traitor. This punk is no different and much more despicable. He blew up innocent unarmed civilians. I have more respect for that traitor then this punk we gave citizenship to for doing zip.
It's already happening...some newsperson or a poltician on one of the sunday news show said that he had been brainwashed by his older brother about all that Muslim stuff....
If big bra' wasn't a US citizen (and my understanding is that he was not, he was here on a green card), that makes Terrorist #2 is partnership with a foreign agent with the aim of attacking this nation. Ergo he CAN be convicted of treason.
Can't strip a natural born citizen of his US citizenship.
He's had his naturalized citizenship for less than a year. He took an oath to defend this nation. He lied.
including Nazi war criminals and serious crimes, suspicion of spying for the communists, or association with terrorists
If he was already plotting and training for such activities before he was sworn in, this case seems applicable:
Jean-Baptiste, Lionel (born 1947) circa 2003
Failure to "establish and maintain 'good moral character'" due to conviction as a drug dealer after application for citizenship, but before his naturalization on April 23, 1996.
Goldman, Emma (18691940) Anarchist. 1919 Deported on December 21, 1919; landed in Finland on January 17, 1920, and sent from there to the Russian border
If we go the route that he IS a citizen, then he engaged in treason by participating in the acts with a foreign national (his brother) in support of foreign agents (who trained his brother).
Too bad his older brother didn’t survive — then you could have Tamarlan tried in military court while Joker is tried in federal court.
I wonder if the State is going to charge him with manslaughter and leaving the scene of an accident in the death of his brother since he ran over him.
You have some who say that it is unclear if Terrorist #2 driving over his brother is what was the “death blow”.
Then again, we are talking about the state that let Dead Red Ted Kennedy get away with vehicular manslaughter and failure to report an accident in a timely manner (until he’d lawyered/sobered up).
I believe a traitor loses his/her citizenship just as the AWOL Marine in RVN did.
Many will die and/or become maimed until this nation throws every Muslim out of it.
you’re splitting hairs, whether he should have been granted citizenship is now a moot point he IS a citizens. if we start rationalizing that criminal intent voids citizenship, then it won’t be too long before the left uses that same cudgel against conservatives.
we either have constitutional protections or we try to weasel our way otu of them. if we can toss their rights out the window when it suits our purposes, they will be able to toss ORU rights out the window when it suits their purposes
Not starting. Continuing something understood for at least 100 years.
And again, you can't use it against those born here.
Peter Jennings LIED when he became a citizen of the United States in 2004 (he brags about keeping his Canadian citizenship) so that he could vote against Bush.
Lie under your swearing in oath, out on your ass.
the thing is that he’s a us citizen. period. and he’s entitled to the same legal protections as every other american