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State bill would allow non-citizens to serve as jurors
Press Democrat/ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | April 25, 2013 | JUDY LIN

Posted on 04/25/2013 2:04:39 PM PDT by rey

State bill would allow non-citizens to serve as jurors

By JUDY LIN ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.

Last Modified: Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.

SACRAMENTO — The state Assembly on Thursday passed a bill that would make California the first state in the nation to allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; citizenship; illegalsjurors; judiciary; jurors; jury; juryduty; noncitizens
Are these your peers?
1 posted on 04/25/2013 2:04:39 PM PDT by rey
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To: rey

To your question - NO!


2 posted on 04/25/2013 2:05:47 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: rey

THAT is NOT a jury of your peers!


3 posted on 04/25/2013 2:07:02 PM PDT by sheana
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To: rey

So what does it mean to be an American citizen?

Nothing, as far as california is concerned.


4 posted on 04/25/2013 2:07:47 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: rey

Still trying to figure out California government’s endgame. Hated productive people and companies leave, more unproductive people from around the world are welcomed, those that want to work work for non-profit companies, and the skies are not cloudy all day.


5 posted on 04/25/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by JeffChrz (2013. Brought to you by the uninformed voters of the United States.)
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To: rey

WTF? Unreal. I can see how that would go, “

Mohammed Allah Dirka Dirka what is your verdict?”

“Well under Sharia law in my homeland I do not find the defendant guilty of rape but the woman is guilty for not wearing traditional burka. I sentence her to death Allahu Akbar”


6 posted on 04/25/2013 2:09:50 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: rey
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed . . .

I would have thought that non-citizens would not count for a jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, if the crime was committed in the United States.

7 posted on 04/25/2013 2:11:13 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: rey
Its not my peers...
But for Kalifornicators, it is their peers.

In fact with Kali's prison population, I'd say that to not have a jury of illegals, would be denying them of a jury of their peers.

8 posted on 04/25/2013 2:11:41 PM PDT by mountn man (ATTITUDE- The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It.)
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To: rey
They won't stop there. Imagine if MS13 could threaten your kin back in Mexico, Guatemala or El Salvador if you don't vote the “right” way on a jury.
9 posted on 04/25/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: rey

This is disgusting.


10 posted on 04/25/2013 2:12:44 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: rey

Are there any advantages to being a citizen anymore? Its sounding more and more like a liability these days.


11 posted on 04/25/2013 2:12:52 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: rey
California is the Mexican capitol of the world.
12 posted on 04/25/2013 2:12:54 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: EveningStar

ping


13 posted on 04/25/2013 2:13:41 PM PDT by bunster
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To: I want the USA back; JeffChrz

Rick Perry in Texas must be lapping this up like cream in a saucer.


14 posted on 04/25/2013 2:14:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: rey

This is a trickier question than most people here realize!!!

Are you a “U.S. CITIZEN”?
Fourteenth Amendment explained / Eric Williams
http://freedom-school.com/eric-williams/02-25-2006.pdf

Or are you an “American citizen from the state of [your state]”
http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/chapter4.htm


15 posted on 04/25/2013 2:17:53 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: I want the USA back

It means you have lots of obligations, and no special rights or privileges .


16 posted on 04/25/2013 2:17:55 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: rey

Jury duty is just one of those jobs that americans won’t do. [/sarcasm]

But seriously, I’ll go to jury duty if I’m called for it. If for no other reason than having the opportunity to hang the jury if someone is on trial for some victimless crime like drugs possession.


17 posted on 04/25/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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18 posted on 04/25/2013 2:28:11 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: rey

Well, well....once Rubio’s amnesty plan is passed then all the illegal aliens will very quickly be legal residents and ready & raring to serve California jury duty. Nothing like a little jury nullification of for La Raza perps and being able to come down heavy on any Gringos or Blacks who has the misfortune to be judged by this crowd.


19 posted on 04/25/2013 2:31:18 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: EveningStar
For crying out loud....too many citizens already don't speak English.
20 posted on 04/25/2013 2:31:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: rey
The takeover of Hate continues.

The foreigners and their allies keep pushing for power over the Americans.

Nothing animates them more.

To be convicted of a "crime" by people who are not of your nation?

A crime itself.

21 posted on 04/25/2013 2:32:14 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: rey

In California? They are CRAZY out there. We should deed that state to Mexico and be done with it.


22 posted on 04/25/2013 2:33:49 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Orangedog

Jury duty is just one of those jobs that americans won’t do. [/sarcasm]

But seriously, I’ll go to jury duty if I’m called for it. If for no other reason than having the opportunity to hang the jury if someone is on trial for some victimless crime like drugs possession.
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Well, once the accused are released following YOUR “jury hanging” I hope that it is your kids he/she will be giving drugs to and not mine.


23 posted on 04/25/2013 2:33:57 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: rey

Judged by foreigners???

Is it time YET???!!!


24 posted on 04/25/2013 2:35:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Exactly. A woman gets gang-raped by a bunch of thugs and Juror Mohammad finds the men not guilty and wants the victim to be executed or wearing a short skirt and leading the men on.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 2:35:56 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: I want the USA back
So what does it mean to be an American citizen?

In three words?

A-T-M.

-PJ

26 posted on 04/25/2013 2:37:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: rey
Legal citizen . . . illegal alien . . .

"What difference does it make?

27 posted on 04/25/2013 2:37:58 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: House Atreides
Well, once the accused are released following YOUR “jury hanging” I hope that it is your kids he/she will be giving drugs to and not mine.

I didn't let my kid do drugs but if you choose to let your kids do drugs there is little I can do about that. That would really be your responsibility.

28 posted on 04/25/2013 2:40:50 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: rey

F no !


29 posted on 04/25/2013 2:45:04 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Orangedog

Well Orangedog, I didn’t let my kids do drugs either. But I won’t kid myself, I don’t know whether they ever experimented or not—and I suspect you don’t KNOW about your kid either (unless you kept the kid chained up in your basement).

But keep up with your jury nullification plans for “victimless—as determined by you—crimes”—maybe you’ll graduate from being willing to do jury nullification for folks accused of drug possession to doing jury nullification for folks accused of pedophilia or statutory rape or one of the VERY numerous crimes some (not me) say can be “victimless”.


30 posted on 04/25/2013 3:05:25 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: rey

I live in CA and hardly ever come across anyone who was born in the USA. Maybe they had to do this in order to have juries at all.


31 posted on 04/25/2013 3:08:52 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: House Atreides

This effort is to give the criminal element a free pass in Cali>
What are the percentages of Illegals comitting crimes.
All the talk of secession I think the USA needs to secceed from Cali! All Illegal aliens deported to Cali and all Fedral funds withdrawn from the state!
Why let a ship of fools sink the entire fleet!
Idiots!
Ont thing for sure My Passport will never be Stamped California!


32 posted on 04/25/2013 3:14:25 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: House Atreides

I chose not to bring more children into the world than I could feed, clothe, shelter, educate and supervise. Others choose to whelp out a litter and expect all kinds of other peoples’ money to be taken from them and spent to round off all the rough edges in life so they can free-range their kids. I took my job a little more seriously than others.

And what part of victimless did you not comprehend. Pedophilia and rape most certainly have direct, nameable, specifically identifiable victims.


33 posted on 04/25/2013 3:15:44 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: fella

put a fork in CA, they're done.

34 posted on 04/25/2013 3:24:04 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Orangedog

“.....And what part of victimless did you not comprehend. Pedophilia and rape most certainly have direct, nameable, specifically identifiable victims.”
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Sorry Orangedog you’ll have to re-read my post—I very clearly qualified what I meant by victimless. I said “victimless—as determined by you—crimes”.

So I, in the same manner you did for yourself, have set you (Orangedog) up as the “high arbiter” of what is, and what is not, a “victimless crime”. So Orangedog, as “high arbiter” you can ordain at will what is and what is not a victimless crime.

I’m happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.

In any case, we certainly need more folks such as yourself. Folks who proudly proclaim that they’ll disregard the juror’s oath they will take swearing that they will render a true verdict according to the law.


35 posted on 04/25/2013 3:30:01 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides
So I, in the same manner you did for yourself, have set you (Orangedog) up as the “high arbiter” of what is, and what is not, a “victimless crime”. So Orangedog, as “high arbiter” you can ordain at will what is and what is not a victimless crime.

If you can't produce a victim, a living, breathing victim (or corpse, if appropriate) than you have no crime. It's pretty simple, actually.

I’m happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.

I'm fairly certain you know I didn't say that. If you had a hard time reading, you can scroll up and read it again. If not, well, then you're intentionally misstating the truth (I'm trying really hard to not use the L word here).

In any case, we certainly need more folks such as yourself. Folks who proudly proclaim that they’ll disregard the juror’s oath they will take swearing that they will render a true verdict according to the law.

It is the right of a juror to judge the law as well as the accused. If it wasn't then there is no point in having a jury trial since the judge could just order the jury to return the verdict he wants. One of the reasons we got rid of prohibition is courts were having a hard time finding juries who would convict for violating the laws banning alcohol.

36 posted on 04/25/2013 3:43:33 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: rey

Perhaps amusement parks and cruise ships will start to offer their foreign tourists ‘US jury duty’ excursions.

“You’ve all seen the OJ trial on TV! Experience it yourselves in the same courtroom!”


37 posted on 04/25/2013 3:47:33 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: rey

Hell no

Why is it impossible to find who voted for this?


38 posted on 04/25/2013 3:57:11 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Orangedog

Orangedog,

I think you missed the word “not” in the following sentence I posted.

“I’m happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.”

The word “not” makes a critical difference in the meaning of the sentence.

You and I will just have to “agree to disagree”. I live in Maryland and jury nullification is becoming a real problem here where a substantial percentage of Baltimore’s black population will now NEVER render a GUILTY vote against a fellow black—no matter how strong the evidence. I have had a friend who was very badly injured in a crime in which there was an overwhelming body of strong evidence—way more than what was needed to overcome the reasonable doubt burden. And that friend’s attacker got off scot free thanks to a free public defender and a bit of jury nullification.


39 posted on 04/25/2013 3:57:59 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: rey

Funny that I correctly guessed this was California before even reading down that far. Damn, I’m glad I left that place!


40 posted on 04/25/2013 4:00:18 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rey

California, lol.


41 posted on 04/25/2013 4:01:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: House Atreides

You’re right. I’m multitasking right now and misread your post. My apologies.

I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he/she recovers. If the attacker managed to get a jury to acquit with that kind of evidence and a public defender, I might suggest that the problems in your community run way deeper than the jury system. Maybe even big enough to consider moving. I’m getting my house ready to sell now over disagreements far less dire than that.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 4:16:39 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Selene

http://leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1401&sess=CUR&house=B

It’s interesting that this bill was amended only last week — anyone objecting to it would have no problem with the original bill introduced last month.

Also the above link is the committee vote only.


43 posted on 04/25/2013 5:28:30 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Pollster1
The 6th amendment doesn't say anything about the jurors being citizens.

The defendant is supposed to have the right to be tried by an impartial jury...but if the potential juror lies, how can the defendant know he is being judged by people who are really impartial? Scooter Libby's jury was a bunch of Democrats who wanted to send Cheney to prison but had to settle for finding Libby guilty...hardly an impartial jury. We'll see what happens in the Zimmerman trial but I don't have a lot of confidence that that jury will be impartial, not given the apparent bias of the judge.

44 posted on 04/25/2013 6:47:25 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rey

I was called for possible jury duty yesterday. I went and watched the process unfold. Half the prospective jurors being considered could barely speak English. They had difficulty understanding the judges questions (he spoke very clearly) and could barely formulate a response in English. One of them made it clear he didn’t even understand our role as jurors to decide guilt or innocence.

Really, it was a nightmare and I kept thinking I would not want my fate to be in the hands of people who are barely educated, can barely understand the discussion in the courtroom, and have little in common with my American frame of reference. One prospective juror had lived here 30 years and still spoke very broken English with a very heavy accent.

Welcome to California.


45 posted on 04/26/2013 6:18:14 AM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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