Skip to comments.State bill would allow non-citizens to serve as jurors
Posted on 04/25/2013 2:04:39 PM PDT by rey
State bill would allow non-citizens to serve as jurors
By JUDY LIN ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
SACRAMENTO The state Assembly on Thursday passed a bill that would make California the first state in the nation to allow non-citizens who are in the country legally to serve on jury duty.
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To your question - NO!
THAT is NOT a jury of your peers!
So what does it mean to be an American citizen?
Nothing, as far as california is concerned.
Still trying to figure out California government’s endgame. Hated productive people and companies leave, more unproductive people from around the world are welcomed, those that want to work work for non-profit companies, and the skies are not cloudy all day.
WTF? Unreal. I can see how that would go, “
Mohammed Allah Dirka Dirka what is your verdict?”
“Well under Sharia law in my homeland I do not find the defendant guilty of rape but the woman is guilty for not wearing traditional burka. I sentence her to death Allahu Akbar”
I would have thought that non-citizens would not count for a jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, if the crime was committed in the United States.
In fact with Kali's prison population, I'd say that to not have a jury of illegals, would be denying them of a jury of their peers.
This is disgusting.
Are there any advantages to being a citizen anymore? Its sounding more and more like a liability these days.
Rick Perry in Texas must be lapping this up like cream in a saucer.
This is a trickier question than most people here realize!!!
Are you a “U.S. CITIZEN”?
Fourteenth Amendment explained / Eric Williams
Or are you an “American citizen from the state of [your state]”
It means you have lots of obligations, and no special rights or privileges .
Jury duty is just one of those jobs that americans won’t do. [/sarcasm]
But seriously, I’ll go to jury duty if I’m called for it. If for no other reason than having the opportunity to hang the jury if someone is on trial for some victimless crime like drugs possession.
Well, well....once Rubio’s amnesty plan is passed then all the illegal aliens will very quickly be legal residents and ready & raring to serve California jury duty. Nothing like a little jury nullification of for La Raza perps and being able to come down heavy on any Gringos or Blacks who has the misfortune to be judged by this crowd.
The foreigners and their allies keep pushing for power over the Americans.
Nothing animates them more.
To be convicted of a "crime" by people who are not of your nation?
A crime itself.
In California? They are CRAZY out there. We should deed that state to Mexico and be done with it.
Jury duty is just one of those jobs that americans wont do. [/sarcasm]
But seriously, Ill go to jury duty if Im called for it. If for no other reason than having the opportunity to hang the jury if someone is on trial for some victimless crime like drugs possession.
Well, once the accused are released following YOUR “jury hanging” I hope that it is your kids he/she will be giving drugs to and not mine.
Judged by foreigners???
Is it time YET???!!!
Exactly. A woman gets gang-raped by a bunch of thugs and Juror Mohammad finds the men not guilty and wants the victim to be executed or wearing a short skirt and leading the men on.
In three words?
"What difference does it make?
I didn't let my kid do drugs but if you choose to let your kids do drugs there is little I can do about that. That would really be your responsibility.
F no !
Well Orangedog, I didn’t let my kids do drugs either. But I won’t kid myself, I don’t know whether they ever experimented or not—and I suspect you don’t KNOW about your kid either (unless you kept the kid chained up in your basement).
But keep up with your jury nullification plans for “victimless—as determined by you—crimes”—maybe you’ll graduate from being willing to do jury nullification for folks accused of drug possession to doing jury nullification for folks accused of pedophilia or statutory rape or one of the VERY numerous crimes some (not me) say can be “victimless”.
I live in CA and hardly ever come across anyone who was born in the USA. Maybe they had to do this in order to have juries at all.
This effort is to give the criminal element a free pass in Cali>
What are the percentages of Illegals comitting crimes.
All the talk of secession I think the USA needs to secceed from Cali! All Illegal aliens deported to Cali and all Fedral funds withdrawn from the state!
Why let a ship of fools sink the entire fleet!
Ont thing for sure My Passport will never be Stamped California!
I chose not to bring more children into the world than I could feed, clothe, shelter, educate and supervise. Others choose to whelp out a litter and expect all kinds of other peoples’ money to be taken from them and spent to round off all the rough edges in life so they can free-range their kids. I took my job a little more seriously than others.
And what part of victimless did you not comprehend. Pedophilia and rape most certainly have direct, nameable, specifically identifiable victims.
“.....And what part of victimless did you not comprehend. Pedophilia and rape most certainly have direct, nameable, specifically identifiable victims.”
Sorry Orangedog you’ll have to re-read my post—I very clearly qualified what I meant by victimless. I said victimlessas determined by youcrimes.
So I, in the same manner you did for yourself, have set you (Orangedog) up as the “high arbiter” of what is, and what is not, a “victimless crime”. So Orangedog, as “high arbiter” you can ordain at will what is and what is not a victimless crime.
I’m happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.
In any case, we certainly need more folks such as yourself. Folks who proudly proclaim that they’ll disregard the juror’s oath they will take swearing that they will render a true verdict according to the law.
If you can't produce a victim, a living, breathing victim (or corpse, if appropriate) than you have no crime. It's pretty simple, actually.
Im happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.
I'm fairly certain you know I didn't say that. If you had a hard time reading, you can scroll up and read it again. If not, well, then you're intentionally misstating the truth (I'm trying really hard to not use the L word here).
In any case, we certainly need more folks such as yourself. Folks who proudly proclaim that theyll disregard the jurors oath they will take swearing that they will render a true verdict according to the law.
It is the right of a juror to judge the law as well as the accused. If it wasn't then there is no point in having a jury trial since the judge could just order the jury to return the verdict he wants. One of the reasons we got rid of prohibition is courts were having a hard time finding juries who would convict for violating the laws banning alcohol.
Perhaps amusement parks and cruise ships will start to offer their foreign tourists ‘US jury duty’ excursions.
“You’ve all seen the OJ trial on TV! Experience it yourselves in the same courtroom!”
Why is it impossible to find who voted for this?
I think you missed the word “not” in the following sentence I posted.
“Im happy that you (at least for the time being) do not currently designate pedophilia and STATUTORY rape as victimless crimes.”
The word “not” makes a critical difference in the meaning of the sentence.
You and I will just have to “agree to disagree”. I live in Maryland and jury nullification is becoming a real problem here where a substantial percentage of Baltimore’s black population will now NEVER render a GUILTY vote against a fellow black—no matter how strong the evidence. I have had a friend who was very badly injured in a crime in which there was an overwhelming body of strong evidence—way more than what was needed to overcome the reasonable doubt burden. And that friend’s attacker got off scot free thanks to a free public defender and a bit of jury nullification.
Funny that I correctly guessed this was California before even reading down that far. Damn, I’m glad I left that place!
You’re right. I’m multitasking right now and misread your post. My apologies.
I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I hope he/she recovers. If the attacker managed to get a jury to acquit with that kind of evidence and a public defender, I might suggest that the problems in your community run way deeper than the jury system. Maybe even big enough to consider moving. I’m getting my house ready to sell now over disagreements far less dire than that.
It’s interesting that this bill was amended only last week — anyone objecting to it would have no problem with the original bill introduced last month.
Also the above link is the committee vote only.
The defendant is supposed to have the right to be tried by an impartial jury...but if the potential juror lies, how can the defendant know he is being judged by people who are really impartial? Scooter Libby's jury was a bunch of Democrats who wanted to send Cheney to prison but had to settle for finding Libby guilty...hardly an impartial jury. We'll see what happens in the Zimmerman trial but I don't have a lot of confidence that that jury will be impartial, not given the apparent bias of the judge.
I was called for possible jury duty yesterday. I went and watched the process unfold. Half the prospective jurors being considered could barely speak English. They had difficulty understanding the judges questions (he spoke very clearly) and could barely formulate a response in English. One of them made it clear he didn’t even understand our role as jurors to decide guilt or innocence.
Really, it was a nightmare and I kept thinking I would not want my fate to be in the hands of people who are barely educated, can barely understand the discussion in the courtroom, and have little in common with my American frame of reference. One prospective juror had lived here 30 years and still spoke very broken English with a very heavy accent.
Welcome to California.