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Personal Remembrances of the Kent State Shootings, 43 Years Later
Slate ^ | 05/04/2013 | David Rosenberg

Posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:17 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

On May 4, 1970, four Kent State University students were killed and nine injured when members of the Ohio National Guard opened fire during a demonstration protesting the Vietnam War.

In 2010, the site of the Kent State University shootings was placed on the National Register of Historic places by the Department of Interior with support of the Ohio Preservation Office. Carole Barbuto, a communication studies professor at Kent State University who was a junior there in 1970, spoke to Behold about some of the more than 4,000 images (many from student photographers) the university has in its archive related to the events around May 4. Since 2001, Barbuto has taught a course titled “May 4, 1970, and Its Aftermath” and she also led the photo selection process for the May 4 Visitors Center. “It’s a difficult story to tell,” Barbuto said. “It’s a very complex story. There are still many unanswered questions.” Barbuto spoke about her personal and historic knowledge about the famous images, sharing her insight and observations about the killings 43 years later:

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1 posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:17 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

There is no mystery....the press just doesn’t want to tell the whole story.

This small college town had a couple of cops. As things were getting fairly peppy and a lot of weird stuff was happening down on the streets of the town (not even the university)....the mayor got pretty worried. He wanted protection. The campus cops were non-existent, and the local cops could do nothing. The governor? He did the only thing possible....he sent the national guard in.

The punks? They were all being pushed around and led by people who felt they’d just continue to challenge authority and get away with just about everything.

So the day finally came....the challenge authority crowd met up with the state national guard. Some dead students on the ground. Some journalists write a fifty-percent story because they really can’t tell the whole thing.

What happened in the year or two after that? That’s the interesting part. A lot of parents got real scared and felt their kids were in the wrong kind of campus. The state and the administrators were all fearful of a massive curtailment of students.

So all of the trouble-makers were identified, and sent packing. They kept names and when other colleges asked about records....some comments were made. The trouble-makers weren’t going to get free tickets elsewhere.

Campuses across the nation? They all added more cops. Cities with colleges? They went and added more cops. Any hint of trouble? You got lectured and given one chance to straighten up. No college in America today will allow this kind of trouble to repeat. It would be massive destruction if you had twenty kids killed today....with hundred of millions in lawsuits possible....and few colleges could recover from a situation like that.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 9:35:32 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kid Shelleen

Hillary: “What difference does it make now?”


3 posted on 05/04/2013 9:39:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kid Shelleen

I grew up 35 mile from there.
It did not go down the way journalists have painted it.

The Kids were totally out of control. They were attacking the ROTC and then the National Guard when Gov Rhodes called them in..

When they ran out of rocks to throw they commenced to mixing redi crete and pouring it into dixie cups to huck from the dorm windows at the guard.

It was cacophonic chaos.
At some point while under heavy assault the Guard fired warning shots over the heads of the mob.

Sadly what goes up must come down and 4 kids that were not part of the mob were hit with the stray bullets.

One of them Sandra Lee Scheuer grew up just a few mi from me.


4 posted on 05/04/2013 9:42:42 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: Kid Shelleen

National Guard 4, Kent State 0: Final


5 posted on 05/04/2013 9:43:02 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: pepsionice
I think there are two lessons here.

One, do not send in troops to do police work.

Two, as you said, identity troublemakers early, and send them packing.

Of course, both of these are easier said then done.

6 posted on 05/04/2013 9:43:06 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: mylife
It did not go down the way journalists have painted it.

Naaah, really....how shocking.

7 posted on 05/04/2013 9:43:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kid Shelleen
Thanks for posting.

I've debated with others on this forum whether or not US troops would fire on American citizens if ordered to do so by the 0bama regime. Kent State always comes to mind. Even if troops have no intention of doing so, when armed confrontation occurs in tense situations, the outcome is never certain.

8 posted on 05/04/2013 9:44:40 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Better times on Water St.

15 60 75~The New Matchbox Blues

9 posted on 05/04/2013 9:45:59 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I was a college student in May 1970.
I joined the national guard in May 1971.
Those were some strange days, indeed they were.


10 posted on 05/04/2013 9:46:38 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: mylife
The Kids were totally out of control. They were attacking the ROTC and then the National Guard when Gov Rhodes called them in...

I seem to recall reading somewhere that they had trashed the downtown area, too.

11 posted on 05/04/2013 9:49:41 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: dfwgator

Think it’s possible that “csny” will put out a song about “Four dead in Benghazi”? “Tin president and hillary ain’t comin’. You’re finally on your own”. Animosity for the way I and many others were treated in uniform in the late ‘60’s/early ‘70’s? Yeah I got some feelin’s about that. Proud to have served? You bet your ass. Not proud of the way congress left the country and those serving twisting in the wind. As much as I dislike fdr, the one thing that he said rings true today. UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER! Them, not us. Wonder which way we’re going today.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 9:51:28 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Even if troops have no intention of doing so, when armed confrontation occurs in tense situations, the outcome is never certain.

You don't confront the troops; you locate and terminate THOSE WHO GIVE THEM THE ORDERS. Cut off the head, the snake will die.

13 posted on 05/04/2013 9:52:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: rktman

FDR was terrible domestically, but he was a damn fine wartime President.


14 posted on 05/04/2013 9:52:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JimRed

It was nationally stoked chaos.

Kent is normally a very sleep tight knit town.


15 posted on 05/04/2013 9:53:35 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: mylife

The most iconic picture of the incident showed a girl kneeling over a student who had been shot. Ironically, she was not a student, but a 14 year old runaway from Florida who was hanging out on campus enjoying the demonstration activity.


16 posted on 05/04/2013 9:54:01 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
I know that at the time of the Kent state shooting I hoped that it indicated that the government(which we still respected) had finally learned to deal with "protestors." I had long believed, and still believe, that the troops should read the protestors the "Riot Act" and if the "protestors" refuse to disperse and go home then shoot them down without restraint.

I am surprised that nobody ever notices that "protests" of whatever nature or extent are never really "peaceful" They inevitably become a riot.) (Look at Seattle's recent Commie Day celebration.)

17 posted on 05/04/2013 9:56:04 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The very first line is a LIE.

They were not ALL students. If memory serves correctly, TWO of them were just hanging out with the hellraiserss.

I was a student at Ohio State at the time. I observed the "spontaneous" demonstrations firsthand, directed by people much older than most students who carried walkie-talkies. I also observed the "injured" carries out of "battle" multiple times for benefit of the tv crews.
18 posted on 05/04/2013 9:56:29 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
read the protestors the "Riot Act" and if the "protestors" refuse to disperse and go home then shoot them down without restraint.

Seig heil!!!

19 posted on 05/04/2013 9:58:44 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Because the Left employed the tactics the Bolsheviks used in 1917, always place plenty of “agent provocateurs” into the crowds.


20 posted on 05/04/2013 9:59:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Repeal The 17th

Strange days indeed.
JFK’s assassination,Bobby Kennedy, Kent State,The Mob was running wild in NE Oh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Greene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOI1zkRlOZA

It was hard for me to sort it out. I am still sorting it out.


21 posted on 05/04/2013 10:00:13 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: pepsionice

I grew up 6 miles from KS. Those SDS criminals had been agitating for quite some time on the campus. Local news was broadcasting their speeches about “burning the beorgouis in their beds”. My dad slept on the couch with a shotgun.

I feel no sympathy for them.


22 posted on 05/04/2013 10:00:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: JimRed

The SDS was very active on campus prior to the shooting. They were an extreme, very organized anti-American group of agitators recruiting students to protest and cause trouble. A good friend of ours, at the time, and attending Kent State was very involved in the militancy, the goal was to create as much turmoil and violence against the establishment as possible. The Feds questioned and scrutinized him thoroughly about the shootings. We have not heard from him in years but the last time we did, he was a card carrying communist.


23 posted on 05/04/2013 10:03:38 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: mylife

If this demonstration was anything like the ones that I attended, in those days, the shooting was exactly what the radicals wanted to happen. They relentlessly bait the authorities, hoping for a violent reaction that they can point to as proof that they are right about America. The Kent State affair succeeded perfectly for them.


24 posted on 05/04/2013 10:05:56 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Kid Shelleen
New light shed on Kent State killings[2010]
25 posted on 05/04/2013 10:07:54 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Kid Shelleen

Many more should’ve been shot and taken out this world. they were violent, unreasoning, anarchist thugs - PERIOD. They had been terrorizing the campus and the town for days, destroying property and threatening school administrators with the vilest obscenities imaginable. They doused trees on campus with gas and torched them and fired bombed the ROTC building, gutting it.

There is not a better example of domestic terrorists, and there is only one thing to be done with them in the interest of self-preservation.


26 posted on 05/04/2013 10:08:00 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I was in Vietnam in May 1970, and I remember thinking:
U.S. Army Special Forces is killing Communists in Vietnam while the U.S. Army National Guard is killing Communists in the United States. Maybe we’re killing the wrong Communists in Vietnam and should return to the U.S. and assist the National Guard in killing the right ones.

Yes, we should have stopped the on going American Communist Revolution right then and there in 1970. It’s probably too late now, as the Communists have already elected themselves a Marxist Communist President of these United States.

I’ll see you in the Gulag.


27 posted on 05/04/2013 10:10:12 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Lurker

Beat me to SDS. They were also hanging around the High Schools at the time. Before the Kent State incident my teacher Father was well aware of them at his own school. (suburb of Cleveland) They weren’t there for very long ;)

None of us were shocked by just WHO was disrupting at KSU. The knee jerk reactions were exactly what we have now. Not much has changed..only the players.


28 posted on 05/04/2013 10:10:59 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Daveinyork

It was a hopeless situation.
What was the Guard to do? Stand there and take rocks upside the head?

Liberals love to push, but they hate pushback.
IMHO the Guard used extreme restraint.

I is also MHO that the kids that were shot were innocents but they were not targeted.

The Guard was targeted.
The dead were collateral damage, and an aside to what was happening.


29 posted on 05/04/2013 10:15:58 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: mylife

I often think about what happened, too, My.
KSU - my alma mater......how could this have happened?


30 posted on 05/04/2013 10:16:35 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
... I had long believed, and still believe, that the troops should read the protestors the "Riot Act" and if the "protestors" refuse to disperse and go home then shoot them down without restraint.

Well, you got the country you wished for, Comrade.

31 posted on 05/04/2013 10:16:54 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

The reaction at my school (located on Fiji Hill) was crazy. The college president, who was a leftie himself, ordered the flag to half-mast in honor of the students killed. That wasn’t enough for some students, who set out to burn it. However in trying to cut it down, one of them slashed himself with a knife and had to go to the hospital. Old Glory waved on.

Two students set off a Molotov cocktail at the ROTC building—they didn’t seem to care that the ROTC was being phased out, and the building was to be used for the new Urban Studies program, a future center of liberal-left thought and activism. However, the bomb caused only minor damage.

The campus was finally closed for four days—and a good many students used the opportunity to take off for the beach, to the consternation of the radical leaders.


32 posted on 05/04/2013 10:18:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: All

Looking back on it all, I don’t really understand how I consider myself to have had a happy childhood.

But I had a blast back there and it is still home in my heart.


33 posted on 05/04/2013 10:22:35 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: Kid Shelleen

My father grew up in that area, a generation earlier.

A lot of the losers, screw-offs and dumb-a$$es he went to high-school with went to Kent State.

He was off at a different college, breaking his butt, getting a double-major in Physics and Chemistry; word got back that all the losers who went to Kent State were getting all A’s and B’s.

Doesn’t say much for the Kent State crowd.


34 posted on 05/04/2013 10:24:05 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

The Riot act is the English Common Law hardly a “Communist idealogy.” Oderly governing sometimes takes an application of force as George Washington illustarted in the Whiskey Rebellion. Learn your history. Learn the Riot Act. It is the mob in the streets that deserves to be “Comrade!” Seattle May first is right in front of you “Comrade.”


35 posted on 05/04/2013 10:28:02 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Leaning Right

I witnessed riots on another campus during that timeframe. Many of the “students” were actually violent mentally challenged non-students. There were about 20 violent aggitators on a campus of 10,000.

The state troopers were undisciplined rednecks - a very dangerous situation. Property damage, but no major injuries.


36 posted on 05/04/2013 10:28:52 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: mylife
They were attacking the ROTC

I was in high school about twenty minutes drive from the KSU campus. They burned down the friggin' ROTC building and threatened to do the same to the town. And the guardsmen, most of whom were themselves around the same age as the rioters, had for the most part not slept for the preceding 72 hours as they were guarding truck convoys, and being shot at from highway overpasses, during a wildcat Teamster strike.

Marching downhill toward and throwing bricks at helmeted guys in gas masks holding loaded M-1 Garands led to a predictable result. In the local area there was shock but far less sympathy for the rioters than was true nationally. If the campus had been evacuated and classes cancelled the only casualties would have been the screaming idiots who apparently felt they were bullet proof. Oh, and Neil Young can still kiss my a**.

37 posted on 05/04/2013 10:29:30 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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38 posted on 05/04/2013 10:29:36 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: yorkie

Hi there Yorkie,

KSU was like just part of mylife.
My Brother graduated there, My Lovely Cousin Debbie graduated there.
My Best Friend Gary Graduated there.
My Buddy Randy.

Oh I was on Water St, and the Campus all the time.
So I guess I can say I went to KSU LOL

I never had the were with all to even afford school but I enjoyed the atmosphere at Kent. It was a nice campus for regular kids with dreams.
I should have had a go at YSU’s Engineering program.


39 posted on 05/04/2013 10:29:50 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: katana

It was insane.
National Insanity.

I feel like it is happening again now, but people are more complacent to the stimulus.

Obama keeps pushing societal buttons.


40 posted on 05/04/2013 10:32:18 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: DuncanWaring

Stick it.


41 posted on 05/04/2013 10:33:05 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Who gives a f***?

The media COMPLETELY IGNORED/BLACKED OUT any coverage of the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers’ bombing of the Pentagon.

Give this a rest already. Dead is dead.


43 posted on 05/04/2013 10:37:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Bump for later reading. My wife is a late 70s Kent State alumnus, been to the campus a number of times. Pretty bucolic when she was there, hard to comprehend all the stuff that went down on that weekend 43 years ago.


44 posted on 05/04/2013 10:42:14 AM PDT by ssaftler (It's Obama's fault)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I know that at the time of the Kent state shooting I hoped that it indicated that the government(which we still respected) had finally learned to deal with "protestors." I had long believed, and still believe, that the troops should read the protestors the "Riot Act" and if the "protestors" refuse to disperse and go home then shoot them down without restraint.


45 posted on 05/04/2013 10:45:47 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: mylife

So, you may have hung out at the Rathskeller and the Big House......(old stompin’ grounds!)


46 posted on 05/04/2013 10:54:46 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: mylife

I don’t know what the Guard was supposed to do. they did exactly what the radicals wanted them to do. they probably didn’t shoot enough of the right people. if they were going to be criticized, maybe they should have made it a massacre. I really don’t know. The tactics the radicals were using are hard to counter in a free society such as ours.


47 posted on 05/04/2013 10:55:22 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: mylife

Hmmmm ... let’s see now ... which am I more impressed by, your eloquence or your scintillating wit?

Thinking....


48 posted on 05/04/2013 10:56:32 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

IMHO, what happened at Kent State was exactly what the communist and Marxist “professors” there wanted to happen.


49 posted on 05/04/2013 11:12:15 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Oderly governing sometimes takes an application of force as George Washington illustarted in the Whiskey Rebellion. Learn your history.

Take your own advice. Washington leading the militias into western PA was more a venture into crony capitalism writ large.

50 posted on 05/04/2013 11:12:15 AM PDT by Roccus
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