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This Tea Party Thing
May 9, 2013 | MosesKnows

Posted on 05/09/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by MosesKnows

This Tea Party Thing


I am a Tea Party Patriot.

I know what that means to me but I am confused about what it means to others. The point of this post is to learn what being a Tea Party Patriot means to other Tea Party Patriots. I doubt I will learn anything that would alter what I believe but I can’t know until it is learned.

Declaring I am a Tea Party Patriot means I favor a constitutional government. No more and no less. I accept the Constitution as the proper amount of government.

My believe is that the founder’s wisdom created a government with powers limited by the people to only those necessary to protect the people’s rights.

The words in the Constitution provide my legal right to demand a constitutional government and to demand the President, The House of Representatives, The Senate, The Supreme Court, Military Officers, and enlisted Military honor their oath to the Constitution.

Many violations of the Constitution already exist but no words changed to make unconstitutional legislation passed by Congress constitutional. I am within my legal rights to demand that my representatives in government abide by their oath to uphold the words in the Constitution.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: party; tea; vanity
I don't go to as many meet-ups, rallies’, or gatherings, as I once did but I'm here and asking only for constitutional government.
1 posted on 05/09/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

The TEA Party stood for “Taxed Enough Already.” It was a group revolting against the egregious nature of taxes and turned into a party of conservative activism.

I am an advocate for Conservative Constitutional Republicanism in America, as the Founders intended. Sadly, I know some TEA Party people who consider themselves “social moderates,” advocating for loose drug laws.

The problem with Conservatism is the message. We need to demonstrate that we stand behind the idea the God has imbued us with our rights and that we are only answerable to HIM. Government is tyranny in any form, and we should eschew even the least egregious forms of them. Remember, WE are the arbiters of our future. Government exists by our will only.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 10:18:01 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MosesKnows

I was at the first gathering watching Beck on TV, then in the core group of our local 9/12.
At one public meeting, I said our solution is to restore our right as citizens to the Grand Jury. We could indite the oathbreakersd and hold their feet to the fire. This nation would turn overnite.
It fell on deaf ears.
The Republican handlers took control of the group, and I left.
Low info Teapartiers are a problem.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 10:21:51 AM PDT by bigmak007 (They who can't control their own passions, want to passionately control others.)
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To: MosesKnows

General comment: It’s a pet peeve of mine, but I wish people would stop referring to themselves as patriots. To me it’s like calling yourself a hero. That’s a title others should bestow on you. Sure one can be patriotic, but ‘Patriot’ implies something more that just being patriotic. YMMV.

Now Tea Party American? That makes sense since the goals of the Tea Party are Constitutional through and through. To me, TEA means exactly one thing. A return to constitutional government in ‘all’ aspects. It didn’t exactly start as that but IMO it has become that.


4 posted on 05/09/2013 10:26:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MosesKnows
This Tea Party Thing

Tea Party? Maybe it's time for the "Minute Men".

5 posted on 05/09/2013 10:28:14 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Tea Party? Maybe it's time for the "Minute Men".

This is not an endorsement for "viagra".

6 posted on 05/09/2013 10:28:57 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MosesKnows

This thread should be interesting, as I think your question is really good. I don’t attend as many events either, but I think that’s because there aren’t as many scheduled.

For us, the Tea Party is about surrounding ourselves with other patriots and using those contacts to take whatever actions we feel comfortable with, or can afford. Sometimes it’s nice to go to a rally just be around others who haven’t gone bat-sh!t crazy. We’ve done some caucus work, supported candidates and causes financially, worked a TP booth just greeting and talking with people, attended meetings, put up signs, etc. My fiancee’ is also a precinct delegate (direct result of TP contacts).

We also support military causes, as many other FReepers do I’m sure.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 10:32:06 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Mich Patriot

Being bad-mouthed by both the looney left and the GOP elite doesn’t help much. Too many morons actually believe them.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 10:38:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Mich Patriot

“fiancee’”

Not finding fault. Trying to help you:

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9 posted on 05/09/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: MosesKnows
When I first contacted some of the local Tea Party folks I was informed that the sole focus would be fiscal issues. I told them that unless RKBA activists, pro life and other conservative types were included they were going to be very lonely.

In the end the other conservative types just barged right in and the Tea Party mission expanded.

It's really a good thing that no one seriously tried to limit Tea Party issues, I believe it would have destroyed the effort.

The first Tea Party rally I attended had RKBA signs all over the place and I got the impression that the organizers were surprised, they had way underestimated the power of the issue.

10 posted on 05/09/2013 11:05:48 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

NO BIG GOVERNMENT!!!...Libtard or Repubic!


11 posted on 05/09/2013 11:18:43 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: rarestia
Government is tyranny in any form

I think you over reached your position advocating Conservative Constitutional Republicanism. I understand conservative and I understand constitutional but I don't understand Republicanism.

As a Tea Party Patriot, I seek constitutional government. The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government. I am satisfied with the Constitution because it provides America the proper amount of government. A Government with powers limited by the people is not tyranny; it’s a blessing.

12 posted on 05/09/2013 11:40:28 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Caipirabob
I'm reading 7 MEN by Eric Metasas. The two first men are George Washington and William Wilberforce. We need these type of men in Congress and all levels of government right now vs. the country clubbers we have now. Gave me a lot of encouragement as when Wilberforce pushed for abolishing slavery, the life and times of Great Britain were just as disgusting as they are now around the world.

2 Chronicles 7:14 is the fix!

13 posted on 05/09/2013 11:41:59 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: MosesKnows; All
I accept the Constitution as the proper amount of government.

I'm glad that you started this thread MosesKnows, because I have a basic critique against the Tea Party. I get the impression that a lot of patriots are not familiar with the reason why the Founding States made the federal Constitution, to limit (cripple) the federal government's powers.

More specifically, it seems that patriots want a concervative leader in the Oval Office to lead the country to resolve healthcare, immigration and schooling concerns as examples, and also to lower taxes, but seemingly not understanding that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific powers to regulate, tax and spend for such issues.

In other words, thanks in part to Obama guard dog Fx News, Constitution-ignorant patriots are unwittingly helping to keep the government power pendulum swinging back and forth between Democrats and RINOs in DC, instead of making it swing back to the states where the Founders had intended for it to permanently rest.

14 posted on 05/09/2013 11:44:49 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Wow. That works.

You have made it much easier for me to type “Señator Rubio”.

Thanks!


15 posted on 05/09/2013 11:51:05 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: bigmak007
... and I left.

Low info Teapartiers are a problem.

I suggest you go to the next Tea Party gathering, the next, and the next until someone listens.

16 posted on 05/09/2013 11:53:53 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

Republicanism is government by the will of the people. It’s root is “Republic.” We are a Constitutional Republic. We’re not a Constitutional Monarchy or an Authoritarian Democracy, we’re a Constitutional Republic.

Americans haven’t been in control of the reigns of power for over 100 years. The number of committees, sub-committees, agencies, bureaus, etc. have grown to the point that no group or groups of Americans could possibly make sense of it all not to mention the fact that a grand majority of them are wholly unconstitutional.

I don’t disagree with you that government by the people is a blessing, but the government isn’t limited by jack squat anymore and they’re showing us exactly that. The Founders specifically stated that Governments are instituted by men but are not and should not be the final determiners in any affairs. They are implemented to attend to the safety and security of the republic at-large.

What we have now in America is a Democratic Oligarchy. The people of means and money hold the power through elections which are generally determined by a simple majority. This was NOT how the Founders intended America to be run.

We should be electing the men and women from our communities to represent us and our interests, but with America growing to the size it is, the number of Representatives and Senators has remained unchanged for over 100 years. This means a static number of politicians answering to a growing number of constituents. This doesn’t work for much longer, and we’re starting to see the seams burst now.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 11:55:28 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
‘Patriot’ implies something more that just being patriotic

A patriot is a person who loves, supports, and defends one's country. Loving one's country is patriotic, trusting one's government is just foolish.

I'm sticking with Tea Party Patriot.

18 posted on 05/09/2013 12:05:46 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: Caipirabob
Maybe it's time for the "Minute Men".

I recall the observation.

“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” --- opening lines of “101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution by Claire Wolfe

19 posted on 05/09/2013 12:09:26 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“With “NumLock” “On”, hold down the “Alt” key and press the following numbers on the “NumPad” to achieve the following characters in the text:”

Ain’t nobody got time fo dat!


20 posted on 05/09/2013 12:12:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rarestia
the will of the people

The will of the people is a democracy. Our founders went to great lengths to ensure that we would never become a democracy.

The word Democracy comes from two Greek words, Demos meaning People and Kratein meaning to Rule. Democracy therefore means the rule of the people, majority rule.

Much of what you posted is correct but if there were not problems, we would not be having this discourse. The mission is not to discover what is wrong but to concentrate on what would cause improvement. A constitutional government would began the needed improvement and prove more of a benefit than any short-term correction.

There is but one place we can all seek refuge and that is the Constitution. The Constitution is the nation’s salvation.

The Democrat and Republican Political Parties are merely two cheeks of the same ass. What I am suggesting is that a Democrat President and a Democrat Congress acting within the constraints the Constitution is tolerable.

21 posted on 05/09/2013 12:41:01 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Dude

Good stuff...unless you have a laptop without a “numpad”. :) maybe if I ever get a new one.....


22 posted on 05/09/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Boogieman

“Ain’t nobody got time fo dat!”

To each.....his own. ;-)


23 posted on 05/09/2013 12:56:13 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; LUV W

I keep a little piece of paper with all of those special characters taped to my keyboard. ;-)


24 posted on 05/09/2013 12:58:58 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: LUV W

“maybe if I ever get a new one.....”

The prices of laptops are dropping almost daily. Some vendors will even take trade-ins.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 1:00:33 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Smart, dude. I should make a copy of your post. Otherwise it’ll be lost forever soon! :)


26 posted on 05/09/2013 1:01:38 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

It’s because people hate Win 8, which btw, my DIL’s brother helped develop for Microsoft.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 1:03:35 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: MosesKnows; rarestia
Consent of the people is necessary in a republic. The Framers did indeed go out of their way to ensure we would never become a democracy. In only eleven years, they learned from the experience of the independent States, that majoritarian/democratic abuse of liberty was just a big a threat as an out of control King.

The 17th Amendment destroyed vertical separation of powers, along with the States' check on the wild whims of the people's House. The Senate of the States was replaced with an additional body totally dependent on the people, only worse. Elected Senators have six year terms, which our Framers would regard as an outrage, dangerous to liberty, AND serve a duplicative, unnecessary purpose.

Restoration of our liberties is impossible until the 17th is repealed.

28 posted on 05/09/2013 1:21:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: LUV W

“It’s because people hate Win 8, which btw, my DIL’s brother helped develop for Microsoft.”

There are already freeware tweaks that make Win8 look, feel and act like WinXP/Win7.

Also, if anyone I know ‘helped develop’ Win8 I definitely would not go around bragging about it! I would hold those cards VERY close to the vest! LOL


29 posted on 05/09/2013 1:27:57 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I’m sure he’s not. LOL!


30 posted on 05/09/2013 1:31:11 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Jacquerie
Restoration of our liberties is impossible until the 17th is repealed.

I agree that repeal of the 17th amendment would be a step in the right direction. However, I don't think it is the deal breaker you suggest.

Another amendment is the only way to repeal any amendment. Therefore gaining a constitutional government would seem the first step toward repealing the 17th amendment.

31 posted on 05/09/2013 1:51:57 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
Well, it isn't my opinion. It is James Madison's.

With every unconstitutional act coming out of DC, I ask myself if it would have occurred if the States ran the Senate.

For instance, so much of our society has been harmed by Scotus. Would a Senate of the States consent to judges with a history, a written trail of hostility to the 10th Amendment? No way.

32 posted on 05/09/2013 2:07:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: MosesKnows

Listen, the fact is we are already a social democracy. There is no way that were going to turn back hundred years of social change in order to invent some sort of constitutional republic that we were founded on.

I understand what the founders intended. I also understand that we are so far from what the founders intended that there’s really no way to turn back without completely scraping the platform of all problems and starting from scratch. Unfortunately, that’s going to require revolution in a big way.

The problem isn’t, as you propose, that the politicians are acting in accordance with the Constitution. The problem is that they are acting outside of the Constitution.


33 posted on 05/09/2013 3:03:01 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jacquerie
Would a Senate of the States

I do not dispute the merit of repealing the 17th amendment but I also must face the reality. The reality is that in order to repeal the 17th amendment 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states must agree.

I don’t see a path to that goal without a constitutional government. You have the legal right to demand that your representatives only legislate within the powers granted Congress in the Constitution.

34 posted on 05/09/2013 3:42:27 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
Reform will not come from the Beltway denizens.

If we are to peacefully save what remains of our freedoms and regain what we lost, it is time for the States to call an Article V Constitutional Convention. If Congress does not head it off on its own to consider a single amendment, repeal of the 17th, we have little to lose. Our consolidated government ignores our unalienable rights, separation of powers and is arming itself to put down mass confrontation. If Congress ignores the threat and the States convene a convention, we risk no more than where we are already headed, a tyrannical government of unlimited powers bent on creating a perfect social justice Utopian hell.

The Framers gave us peaceful means to save our society and lives; let’s use them before stupidly watering the tree. More than half of the States opposed Obamacare. Resistance is in the air. Together, with the help of God, we just might save these United States.

35 posted on 05/09/2013 4:18:20 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: MosesKnows
>> . . . legal right to demand that your representatives only legislate within the powers granted Congress in the Constitution.

That is certainly true. The problem is the lack of power, an enforcement mechanism. A Senate of the States used to provide that.

Today, we might as well howl at the moon. Once the States were booted from the Senate a hundred years ago, there was no structural means to limit the national government to enumerated powers or protect the Bill of Rights. James Madison correctly called Bills of Rights “parchment barriers” that were only as effective as the means to enforce them.

Consider the 1st Amendment. Freedom of the press is near sacrosanct. It is, not because the 1st Amendment says so; it is enforced because politicians know they will be abused in the press if they ever try to seriously impinge it.

With the 17th Amendment, the Framer's vertical separation of powers was removed and STRUCTURALLY made enforcement of enumerated powers, the Bill of Rights, and especially the 10th amendment an impossibility.

Absent State participation in the Senate, there is zero chance we will return to Constitutional freedoms.

36 posted on 05/09/2013 4:23:31 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: rarestia
the fact is we are already a social democracy

The reason we strive to achieve constitutional government is that we don’t have it now. A government constrained to only legislating within their granted powers would not breed a social democracy.

in order to invent some sort of constitutional republic

We do not need to invent a constitutional Republic; the founders invented it for us by guaranteeing to every state in the Union a Republican Form of Government.

Article 4, Section 4 - The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

Your representatives took an oath to uphold the guarantee of a Republican Form of Government and you have the legal as well as the moral right to demand they honor their oath.

The problem isn’t, as you propose, that the politicians are acting in accordance with the Constitution.

The problem I proposed is that politicians are not acting in accordance with the Constitution hence my desire for a constitutional government.

what the founders intended

That is the point. The Constitution contains what the founders intended for us. The corrupted and corruptible have subverted what the founders intended but they did not take the step of amending the words. The words remain and you have the right to demand that the words be followed.

37 posted on 05/09/2013 4:26:46 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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