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Secrecy, Heavy-Handed Tactics Reported at Boy Scouts Meeting
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Posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:58 AM PDT by chessplayer

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To: aMorePerfectUnion

NAMBLA Scouts of American. I can already envision their new badge. Any photo shop people out there?


101 posted on 05/24/2013 10:36:40 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: CitizenUSA

“I hope there’s a mass exodus, too. However, I just don’t think it will happen. I think most scouts will compromise, because their membership is more important to them than their principles.”

As a scoutmaster, I have been torn on how to handle this change. I think the easy thing to do is to pack it in. Unfortunately, we keep doing that and the left keeps advancing on each surrender.

For me, I will not surrender I will not give in one inch. I will be the stone in the shoe of the homosexuals, I will “do my best” to guide other troop leaders that the values you teach come from you, not from some schmucks in Texas.

“Not in my Troop” will be my new standard. The entire world may crash around me, but there will be young men coming out of my troop that we will all be proud of.

Fundraising will go to the troop and not the scouts, and friends of scouting will get a card from me every march with a rainbow painted on it and a reminder of who to call when they want money.


102 posted on 05/24/2013 10:41:49 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: ScottinVA
"I agree... we’re in a very dark time now. Glad I’m nearing the final quarter-turn of life."

I think the same thing almost every day. However, I'm also glad I was born in 1950 and experienced the wonder of this once great nation for many years. I'm thankful for that.

103 posted on 05/24/2013 10:42:03 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

“Wonder what their new motto will be? Suggestions?”

My suggestion...Not in my Troop!

it’s sure to Pi$$ off the libs


104 posted on 05/24/2013 10:44:19 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: krizzy
Good for you, but you're in for a world of hurt down the road, unless you resign. There's a reason the term "slippery slope" was coined.

My suggestion to all Scout leaders: Form your own club and work toward a new national organization.

105 posted on 05/24/2013 10:45:48 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: sickoflibs

“Staunch gay-rights supporters” rising to key leadership positions is a typical Leftist ploy. Remove them from the leadership, vote them out. Why doesn’t Breitbart name them?


106 posted on 05/24/2013 10:48:22 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: AppyPappy

I hope you respond by giving them positive and appropriate adult male attention. They need to learn the difference and it helps guide them from confusion to normal masculinity.


107 posted on 05/24/2013 10:49:32 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Piranha

Don’t let them. Use the Scouts as an avenue to cure young boys of homosexuality and you’ve completely turned the tables on the Left. Those stating they’re abandoning the Scouts are fools and playing into the hands of the Left.

Now’s the time to redouble your efforts and support Scouting. We need more, good Christian men to come forward and help these young victims. The rise in single motherhood has increased not just material poverty, but spiritual poverty as well and left their children vulnerable to the Devil’s whim.

Don’t shirk and let them win, take it back and let’s us win starting now.


108 posted on 05/24/2013 10:52:57 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Iron Munro
Time for those Scout leaders still loyal to the true spirit of scouting to break away...

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Stop quitting and letting the left win. They should be the ones starting up their own homosexual scouts. They actually have one. This is a direct assault on the Freedom of Association. Let's not let them keep winning.

It needn't be a one way street to debauchery. This can be undone, just like the delisting of homosexuality as a perversion in the DSM.

109 posted on 05/24/2013 10:55:37 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I don’t give any of them “appropriate adult male attention.”. My job is to teach them how to survive in the woods. Kids today are really into social drama and I am too autistic to play.
When a kid spends the night in a tent and cooks his own food, positive always happens.


110 posted on 05/24/2013 10:57:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: sickoflibs

End of Boy Scouts. Need to start a new org right away.


111 posted on 05/24/2013 10:58:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: A Navy Vet

I fear you may be right. And I will look for and support a new organization.

Until then, if all they have to offer me is a world of hurt, I say bring it on. Unlike so many other things in politics, this is one area I have a large amount of direct control. I will not turn tail and run. Evil will not win because ‘this’ good man did nothing.


112 posted on 05/24/2013 10:58:58 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: CitizenUSA
One cannot be both morally straight and an open advocate for homosexuality.

What you posted makes a lot of sense, but nothing more than this summary statement. I, too, do not believe there are grounds for compromise between the morally straight part of the Scout oath and open advocacy of disgusting, degenerate and dangerous lifestyle.

However, I also understand that there are boys who are genuinely confused thanks to a constant drumbeat and bombardment from popular culture.

This confusion includes not only homosexual inclinations but the even more popular view that sex outside of marriage is perfectly fine. The link I posted leaves no room for compromise in either case.

If troops are free to welcome a boy with either type of confusion but who does not engage in either type of sinful behavior, then I believe that there are grounds for compromise insofar as the potential sinner can be led away from their sin, as opposed to preying adult leadership which would affirm such sin.

Still, I remain highly skeptical that one can be an open homosexual without being a practitioner and, thus, a violator of the morally straight part of the Scout oath.

Nonetheless, if such boys actually exist, then I am far more willing to entrust them to morally straight adult leaders who could turn them on the right path than to throw them to society at large where the odds against it are even longer.

In short, I am willing to fight further to prevent a fine institution from being taken over completely by the homo barbarians than to abandon and surrender the entire tent because the camel has managed to get its nose in.

113 posted on 05/24/2013 11:12:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: krizzy
FWIW, I believe you are doing the right thing. The surrender monkeys are much like the people who have abandoned the public schools to the libtards.

Not everyone can, or is capable or home schooling. There are still fine public schools in places like Oklahoma and Wyoming who turn out students we can all be proud of.

So it shall be with the BSA . . . and we start with even greater numbers in the rank and file as opposed to the voting majority of the cowardly leadership at the national level.

114 posted on 05/24/2013 11:18:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Play those kinds of games with your own children, please.

I'm keeping my kids away from "confused" children.

If they want to minister to seriously disordered people when they are adults, that's their prerogative. Till then, my job is to keep them safe.

115 posted on 05/24/2013 11:19:09 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Carry_Okie
“California BAN on conversion therapy for anyone UNDER 18.
This is a ban within a State licensed activity. It is (supposedly) not a constraint on free speech.”

It is a constraint on free speech. A person with a state license cannot practice their trade in a manner that they feel appropriate for their clients. They must practice the way the state requires. We are losing our freedoms little by little.

116 posted on 05/24/2013 11:19:23 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: 1010RD
Posts like yours make me mildly optimistic that there may very well be more of us than of the surrender monkeys.
117 posted on 05/24/2013 11:20:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: chessplayer

[[I think most scouts will compromise, because their membership is more important to them than their principles.]]

Membership in A new group of scouts “True Scouts of America” as someoen suggested, woudl be just as improtant to these kids once it’s established, up, financed, and goals set etc- only htis new group would stress principles andm orals which the boy scouts of america seems ot have lost- one owudl think that because htey have lost htese ideals, that kids and parents would be looking for osmething more wholesome for hteir kids-


118 posted on 05/24/2013 11:23:26 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: liberalh8ter
They’re about to find out what JC Penney now knows.

Thumbs up on your post. Astute.

119 posted on 05/24/2013 11:31:10 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Trailerpark Badass
These are not games, these are stark realities.

Just as some churches are good at reforming winos and making them into productive members of society, others are inept but perform valuable services in other areas such as mission work.

Likewise, some troops may have the talent pool to help sexually confused young men, but others may not.

If I were running the troop, I would have to agree with you and put the safety of normal boys first.

That being said, however, I do not discount nor demean the success of other people who have demonstrated great success in getting young men off the destructive path of the Sodomites.

120 posted on 05/24/2013 11:33:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ASOC
I think they lost their bible or whatever....

I suspect that many in Mormon grass roots political leadership positions have been intimidated by the leftists with the aid of government organizations such as the IRS. I would say that it is not just a coincidence that these 'position reversals' seem to happen AFTER private information such as donor lists are leaked.

121 posted on 05/24/2013 11:35:28 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: A Navy Vet
However, I'm also glad I was born in 1950 and experienced the wonder of this once great nation for many years. I'm thankful for that.

Same here... I was born in 1956 and lived through its peak years. I feel especially blessed to have lived through the Reagan era. It was a great, great run for the USA.

122 posted on 05/24/2013 11:35:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: krizzy
“Not in my Troop” will be my new standard. The entire world may crash around me, but there will be young men coming out of my troop that we will all be proud of.

Best luck with that... do you have a good lawyer?

123 posted on 05/24/2013 11:36:41 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: sickoflibs
Gay-lord hotel???

In other news, the BSA will be voting to change their name from Boy Scouts to Rump Rangers.

124 posted on 05/24/2013 11:37:40 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: ScottinVA

People who think “my troop” won’t be that way are deluding themselves like those who think “my public schools” aren’t run by leftist indoctrinators.


125 posted on 05/24/2013 11:38:18 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

Homo Scout has a futuristic ring to it for the organization.


126 posted on 05/24/2013 11:38:19 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: catfish1957

You look familiar... havent we met some place before ? :)


127 posted on 05/24/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ScottinVA

“Not in my Troop” will be my new standard. The entire world may crash around me, but there will be young men coming out of my troop that we will all be proud of.

Best luck with that... do you have a good lawyer?

No, but I have God as my judge.


128 posted on 05/24/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: GeronL
People who think “my troop” won’t be that way are deluding themselves like those who think “my public schools” aren’t run by leftist indoctrinators.

Exactly. The ACLU and SPLC will all over them like Moochelle Obama on a cheeseburger when nobody's looking.

129 posted on 05/24/2013 11:42:18 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: sickoflibs

lol... how’s it going? Think we got a topic over hear that everyone agrees on? :)


130 posted on 05/24/2013 11:44:23 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: chessplayer

This is going to make some interesting waves at the World Jamboree. Some countries aren’t quite so homo-friendly as America is.


131 posted on 05/24/2013 11:44:33 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: 1010RD
Don’t shirk and let them win, take it back and let’s us win starting now.

I say shrink their funding (donations), and watch them start squeeling from the top.

132 posted on 05/24/2013 11:47:17 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: A Navy Vet
Wonder what their new motto will be? Suggestions?

"It's cool if no one's looking!"

"Be Paired"

"Learning to be Fabulous"

133 posted on 05/24/2013 11:47:20 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: chessplayer
Some churches are ginning up alternatives to the FabulouScouts.

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/05/13/sidebar-evangelical-alternatives-to-the-boy-scouts/

134 posted on 05/24/2013 11:51:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: GeronL

“People who think “my troop” won’t be that way are deluding themselves like those who think “my public schools” aren’t run by leftist indoctrinators.”

My troop, like most, is owned by my church. The priest can pull the plug at any moment. With that said, it is our/my/your troop. We can come and go as we please. We can associate with whom ever we please. The BSA can change the policy, but they can’t tell the volunteers or the chartering organizations, with whom they must associate.

All the BSA would need to change this policy are a few well timed and placed stories of a young homosexual boys who “saw the light” and found his way to God.


135 posted on 05/24/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: krizzy; ScottinVA

God will judge you for eternity, but the Gay Scouts will judge you here & now. Your organization has decided, as an organization, that it is moral and appropriate for a male to stick his penis in the butt of another male.

You can leave, or give tacit endorsement. You cannot tell them YOUR troop rejects the BSA principles without getting tossed out, and maybe losing a ton of money in court along with it.

I have never yet seen an organization that embraces Satan return to God. I’ve never seen a leftist organization become conservative. Have you?


136 posted on 05/24/2013 11:56:26 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Utah Binger

They didn’t really “back” the ruling, so much as they said they weren’t going to care about it one way or another. They have the right approach:

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints posted a statement on its website saying sexual orientation has never been, and is not now, something that precludes young boys from being in Mormon Scout troops. As long as youth refrain from premarital sex - a strict church rule - they can participate in Boy Scouts, church officials said.

“Willingness to abide by standards of behavior continues to be our compelling interest,” the statement said.”

I don’t really care if a kid who thinks they might be gay is part of a scout troop. When it wasn’t clearly encouraged, they would tend to be quiet, and the key was that scouts is not a sexual organization.

I urged the scouting organization to at least include in their new rule a strict ban on any sexual contact or relationships within the organization, but they did not do so.


137 posted on 05/24/2013 11:58:41 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mr Rogers

“God will judge you for eternity, but the Gay Scouts will judge you here & now. Your organization has decided, as an organization, that it is moral and appropriate for a male to stick his penis in the butt of another male.

You can leave, or give tacit endorsement. You cannot tell them YOUR troop rejects the BSA principles without getting tossed out, and maybe losing a ton of money in court along with it.

I have never yet seen an organization that embraces Satan return to God. I’ve never seen a leftist organization become conservative. Have you?”

Mr. Rogers, I do understand exactly what you are saying. And I have struggled with this issue myself. I have weighed the amount of whatever money they can ring out of me, vs. the character of the young men in my charge.

I have 20 boys in my troop between 6th and 10th grade. It is my charge to guide them to be strong men of good character. I have decided to teach by example.

Each of those 20 boys will either learn that when the homosexuals stomp their feet and have a hissy fit that they can bend over and take it or stand strong and fight back.

If the BSA doesn’t like that, then they will have to force me out. Either way I win. I have 20 young men who will pass along what they have learned to others.

And you asked if I have ever seen an organization embrace satan and return to God? Well I ask you to remember that an organization is people. And yes I have seen people leave the embrace of satan and return to God. Perhaps all they needed was a strong guiding hand.

Remember, you cant beat satan if you aren’t willing to go to hell to fight.


138 posted on 05/24/2013 12:17:40 PM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: chessplayer

Personal story: I quit the Boy Scouts in 1954 when I was invited by several members of my troop to participate in a homosexual “party,” organized by one of the Scoutmasters, while on a camping trip.

I was 13, and had no idea what homosexuality was, but when the practice was described to me in glowing terms by one of the participants, I knew I did not want to have anything to do with it or them.

I really don’t care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, but recruiting young boys to “join” the homosexual lifestyle is way beyond the pale.

BSA has committed suicide, IMHO!


139 posted on 05/24/2013 12:24:08 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: AppyPappy

IMO sometimes just being the guy who teaches them cool stuff is all the appropriate attention they need. I didn’t get hugs and pats on the back from every adult male in my life - those came primarily from my dad. There were other guys I looked up to who, just by their example, helped form in me the right ideas about being a man. One was my dad’s hunting buddy, who is a Marine. The guy did everything cool that a 12-yr-old boy could imagine - martial arts, played the drums, rode a motorcycle, collected guns. Looking back he was, without even knowing, a really positive influence on me.


140 posted on 05/24/2013 12:29:09 PM PDT by opus86
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To: catfish1957
RE :”lol... how’s it going? Think we got a topic over hear that everyone agrees on? :)”

Now the Gay Scouts will be ready if they want to join the US military...later when older

141 posted on 05/24/2013 1:25:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: A Navy Vet

You guys who were kids in the 1950s are so lucky.

That was an America I will never know.

I caught a fleeting glimpse of it in the 1970s, I turned to look and it was gone.


142 posted on 05/24/2013 1:43:15 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Taxman; CharlesWayneCT
Personal story: I quit the Boy Scouts in 1954 when I was invited by several members of my troop to participate in a homosexual “party,” organized by one of the Scoutmasters, while on a camping trip.

And you can rest assured that the same thing happens in Mormon troops. The main difference is that the homosexual Mormon scoutmasters are all in the closet and are married and therefore not evident.

143 posted on 05/24/2013 1:50:33 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: 1010RD

You have lost the Scouts, they now belong to the fags. The national organization will destroy any troop not complying. It is the same old crap with GSA, “yes the national organization is in alliance with planned parenthood, but the girls are your neighbors and need support.” No more support, this is an easy boycott just do not by the popcorn and cookies. I have a friend who is a scout leader he is torn apart by this. He does to know if he will continue as the Boy Scouts can no longer claim a moral high ground.


144 posted on 05/24/2013 2:24:17 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: sickoflibs

They’re like muslims. Infiltrate organizations/political offices and change the culture. It will only get worse. Too bad Christians don’t do that.


145 posted on 05/24/2013 2:31:10 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Carry_Okie

SACRAMENTO, Calif. Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation that makes California the first state to ban a controversial form of psychotherapy that’s aimed at making gay teenagers straight.

Effective Jan. 1, mental health practitioners are prohibited from performing sexual orientation change efforts — known as reparative or conversion therapy — for anyone under 18.

The therapies “have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery,” Brown said in a statement.

Mainstream associations representing psychiatrists and psychologists have dismissed reparative therapy in recent decades. A number of mental health associations in California — including the state’s Board of Behavorial Sciences, the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists and the California Psychological Association — supported the legislation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57523211/california-bans-gay-cure-therapy/


146 posted on 05/24/2013 2:36:23 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: catfish1957

So, you shrink their funding and some wealthy homosexuals come in and make up for it. Then who wins? Stop losing. It starts with you.


147 posted on 05/24/2013 3:13:00 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: OldGoatCPO

Jay Carney is that you? Or are you David Axelrod?

I mean stop quitting. You make me sick. Since when have conservatives been whiny, losing quitters?

Every openly homosexual Scout is an opporunity to prove the lie that nobody can change. Why not take the opportunity and run with it. I mean are we Christians or mice?


148 posted on 05/24/2013 3:14:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Baloney..... If there is enough outrage, the membership will drop to nothing more than a jr. faggot club. Another values based organization will fill the void.

You are the loser by accepting this.

149 posted on 05/24/2013 3:17:42 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: 1010RD

We’re not quitters. The BSA are the quitters. By caving to the forces of deviancy. Cowards. The Scouts are yellow-bellied cowards. A disgrace to everything they once stood for. A disgrace to God and country. As an organization, it deserves nothing less than death. Anyone donning the Scout uniform from this point onward only gets abject contempt from me. Degenerate scumbags.


150 posted on 05/24/2013 3:32:17 PM PDT by greene66
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