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Jefferson Davis still remembered in Dixie
Canda Free Press ^ | June 1, 2013 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 06/01/2013 3:13:19 PM PDT by BigReb555

The time is long overdue for school teachers throughout this nation to teach not only the historical facts about Abraham Lincoln, but also those about Jefferson Davis.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dixie; jeffersondavis; president; southern; whitesupremacist
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To: servantboy777
Your puerile comments reveal in you a shallow understanding of the Confederacy and her history. Do some homework.

For your homework I would assign the secession proclamations from the various States.

Mississippi:

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery [ed note: that's gonna be tough to duck, ain't it?!]-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

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Georgia:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

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South Carolina:

... But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.

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Now, I would also argue that Lincoln did not provoke the war by maintaining U.S. forts in the seceding States because he wanted to end slavery. Had the South simply ignored these edifices and not allowed themselves to be maneuvered into firing the first shot who knows how history turns out.

Lincoln declared in his inaugural address that he intended to collect taxes (maintaining tariffs that were economically beneficial to the North and harmful to the South), and further declared support for the original 13th amendment, which would have forbade the Federal government from outlawing slavery. But to argue that the South didn't secede because they wanted to keep people in bondage and considered the Federal government inimical to this desire is simply contrary to the facts, outlined above in their declared reasoning for secession.

41 posted on 06/01/2013 8:36:40 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: CodeToad
Since you think slavery is evil I guess you are also hating on black people

Why can't you hate a pro-slavery person without hating an entire race of people? Is the broad brush the only one you can paint with?

That’s right, the colonies had no slaves until the blacks created them.

Was it blacks on the court that decided Johnson vs Parker? The colonies had indentured servants, until the courts decided that a black man couldn't have the rights of an Englishman, and could be held as a servant for life.

42 posted on 06/01/2013 9:07:51 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

Note in South Carolina declaration the complaint the non slave holding states are “disregarding thier obligation” ...so what were these obligation?


43 posted on 06/01/2013 9:24:42 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Gunslingr3

You will never win your arguments here.

They will make points of circular logic, and point out that the war was about States rights—of course don’t ask them which rights the south was looking to maintain. Here’s a clue—it was slavery.

Many of the folks from the south have a distorted view of the confederacy. They started the war, they lost the war, and they had to give up their slaves.

I can understand generations of hatred because of being invaded and defeated.

I cannot understand why they cannot agree that the institution of slavery—in any form—at any time is immoral, and fundamentally wrong. Whether north, south, black, white, Arab or otherwise.

Individual liberty is a right—a natural right—and there is no justification for it. It was always wrong. And it always will be wrong.


44 posted on 06/01/2013 9:53:08 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: tophat9000
Note in South Carolina declaration the complaint the non slave holding states are “disregarding thier obligation” ...so what were these obligation?

To treat human beings like property and return them to their slave masters in South Carolina if they escaped to a Northern State. Did you not know this?

45 posted on 06/01/2013 10:14:38 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: max americana

Who’s going to be the slaves?


46 posted on 06/01/2013 10:48:19 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Iron Munro

How many slaves did Jeff Davis free?


47 posted on 06/01/2013 10:49:20 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Yes I did it was rhetorical and goes the point the south was not about “States rights vs the fed”..they wanted the federal government intervention in the non slave states ..and Lincoln was NOT going to do it..

It also got to the point even if the union was dissolved peaceably..the issue on slave escaping to the north would remain...the south complaints woulds remain and by the south's own logic the south would be compelled wage war on the north for harboring there “stolen property”...

No matter if the north let the south go..the issue remained the same the south wanted intervention in the north to get their slaves back..if not the south would see this as violating their sovereign rights as a nation and war would still come

48 posted on 06/01/2013 10:50:42 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: stinkerpot65

AMEN!


49 posted on 06/01/2013 10:51:07 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: CodeToad

Blacks ‘’created’’ slaves? Wow dude, your history certainly is ..ah, interesting, that’s for sure.


50 posted on 06/01/2013 10:54:56 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: servantboy777
The history is the South wanted to preserve slavery and expand it into the new territories. The South seceded from the Union and opened fire on Ft. Sumter on April 12, 1861, The South ended up getting it's ass kicked and losing the war. End of story. It's over. Has been since April 9th. 1865. Get a life.
51 posted on 06/01/2013 10:59:16 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Joe 6-pack: "William Sherman similarly had no personal animus toward the south... In December 1860, he gave an admonition very similar to Houston's:"

Thanks for a great quote, spot on.
It shows that not just Sam Houston but others too warned the Slave Power that war would result in disaster.

So what was Jefferson Davis thinking?

52 posted on 06/02/2013 12:15:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: servantboy777

Part of the reason why Lincoln had concerns about assimilation of blacks into society was the presence of many whites who had (like RE Lee) been accustomed to raping slaves, assaulting them and kidnapping them.

Rather than live beside such people, he supported return to Africa as a voluntary option for the freedmen. Lincoln never supported forcible return.


53 posted on 06/02/2013 1:01:55 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Quickgun

Actually, Jeff Davis was the traitor, in the sense that he had made war against the several United States.

Lincoln put down an insurrection, just as Geo. Washington had put down an insurrection.


54 posted on 06/02/2013 1:03:09 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Iron Munro

Except Lincoln never raped a slave. Lincoln never committed treason. Lincoln won.


55 posted on 06/02/2013 1:05:54 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Not just that. The slave power wanted the state right for slave states to direct free states to recognize and honor slavery, to permit slave owners to travel through free states with slaves in tow, to permit slave owners to rape their slaves when on vacation, and to honor claims of slave owners to kidnapped whites and blacks, when the slave power forged documents asserting that such kidnapped people were slaves.


56 posted on 06/02/2013 1:09:04 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: PeaRidge

Yes, the slave owners thought their right to rape slaves was holy.

Their blasphemy meant they deserved the lightening that struck them. The great pity is it took so long to strike.


57 posted on 06/02/2013 1:10:31 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Five words, that if uttered would have caused a dramatic change in the complexion of America:

“Let’s pick out own cotton.”


58 posted on 06/02/2013 3:58:58 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: cripplecreek
One of many complex men in a very complex time.

And one of the worst choices to lead the Confederacy at that moment in history. For all his good features, Davis was also a stubborn micro-manager who was incapable of compromising with his political opponents and unable to accept that he might be wrong on anything. He fought constantly with his congress, his own vice-president refused to stay in the same state as him, he personally ran the war often with disastrous results, and at the end he failed to see the writing on the wall and prolonged the war long past the point where victory was possible.

59 posted on 06/02/2013 4:34:40 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: rovenstinez
If he said THAT, he probably was a Tea Party member back then.

Tea Party wannabe maybe. For all his talk, Davis was a big, intrusive government supporter. I'd describe him more as the John McCain of the 19th century.

60 posted on 06/02/2013 4:36:50 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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