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NSA snooping: Necessary defensive tool, or time for a revolution?
Rare.US ^ | June 12, 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 06/12/2013 10:00:15 AM PDT by Abakumov

The fleeing man’s whereabouts are unknown. What fate should befall him when he pops up is an open question depending on whom you ask. “Hero. Traitor. Whistle-blower. Spy. What to call NSA Leaker Ed Snowden?” asked ABC News on Monday night. The battle lines are being drawn in the scandal over the National Security Agency (NSA) vacuuming up private information on millions of ordinary, everyday Americans. Unlike most controversies in the nation’s capital, the belligerents in this showdown don’t fall into predictable partisan camps.

Liberal California Sen. Dianne Feinstein sounds outright hawkish when she declares of Mr. Snowden that, “What he did was an act of treason,” and insists of the NSA activities, “It’s called protecting America.” This is novel positioning for a senior member of her party. In recent decades, Democrats have typically defended those who divulged government secrets at the expense of defense and intelligence operations, and that is still – for the most part – true. Today, however, the lion’s share of overt intra-party division on the leaking issue is on the Republican side of the aisle.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nsa; obamascandals
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To: Abakumov; a fool in paradise
I hate accountants!


81 posted on 06/12/2013 5:27:27 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Abakumov
Hey, NSA. ‘guess I got your attention with my posts from yesterday?

Your ‘snooping signature’ is showing today: greatly slowed down computer and black page FaceBook.

Well, if you want to spend your time and our money monitoring the postings/musings of an old disabled great-granny - that was already middle age before you could wash your ears - sitting in her sunny window in the back woods - have at it. It's time you aren't illegally intruding on someone else.

BTW., I just had a huge tree come down on my house. If you guys come for a visit, could you bring a chainsaw?

82 posted on 06/12/2013 5:32:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: null and void; editor-surveyor
Looking forward to it.

Haven't forgot, just been really busy. Please watch beginning at the 1 hour and 30 minute mark of Michael Roods SNL program for this Sabbath. He goes into quite a bit of detail concerning the book of Revelation's origin and much more concerning end times prophecy. It will provide understanding and background that will prove helpful in understanding other prophecy concerning the end of the age and the second coming of the Messiah.

Hope all a great father's day.

Link: http://aroodawakening.tv Scroll to the bottom of the page for a tonight's teaching.

83 posted on 06/14/2013 8:00:12 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Thanks, will watch as soon as schedule permits.


84 posted on 06/14/2013 8:02:49 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Boogieman
Mystery Babylon is not the US.

I wouldn't be so sure, but certainly wish that to be true.

No prophets were ever killed in America, because this nation did not exist during that era.

These are the verses in the KJV that talk about this:

17 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

18 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

These are all complex clues, not to be simply taken to mean "The prophets". We've aborted 50 million in the US, in ways responsible for 1 billion worldwide. Christians are being slaughtered around the world now, because of the policies of this administration, and nothing is being done to try to save them.

There are many other identifiers much easier to interpret, as to who Mystery Babylon may be. Much depends upon when the actual end of age occurs, as that will determine if current identifiers are applicable or not.

85 posted on 06/14/2013 8:33:57 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Abakumov

My answer is the title of a Beatles song.


86 posted on 06/14/2013 9:06:05 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Errant; null and void

Mystery Babylon isn’t any nation, its Satan’s dual system for operating the Earth.

One part is secular, and the other part is the churches, thus in Revelation “Mystery Babylon is fallen, is fallen.”

Alexander Hislop established this over 150 years ago, in his book “The Two Babylons.”

Mystery Babylon is what Yeshua is returning to do battle with.

The city that gets destroyed is Jerusalem (there is some reason to expect that Rome and London will also get hit, since Rome is the religious center of Mystery Babylon presently, and London is the secular center)


87 posted on 06/15/2013 3:52:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Interesting. I'd go with Jerusalem and NYC based on that, or perhaps Rome and NYC.

Although Wells fairly described London as the great Mother of Cities, NYC is a better candidate IMHO. Besides being a world financial and cultural center it is the home of the UN.

It is also the world's largest Jewish city. Rome and NYC. Nominal homes/hearts of Judaism and Christianity.

88 posted on 06/15/2013 5:26:50 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: NormsRevenge

>> brought us Able Danger

What does that mean?


89 posted on 06/15/2013 5:35:04 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: null and void

But the head of secular Mystery Babylon lives in London, and makes all of her calls from there.

NYC is just one of her puppet cities.


90 posted on 06/15/2013 6:19:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I expect we’ll see presently.


91 posted on 06/15/2013 6:25:24 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Unfortunately, yes, we will.


92 posted on 06/15/2013 6:28:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; null and void
I interpret the scriptures as Mystery Babylon (be it a city, cities or nation) will be destroyed after the initial battle between Israel and her neighbors.

Damascus is destroyed in these first battles. Yeshua fights the beast, not Mystery Babylon, IMO. The beast is the one world government formed after Mystery Babylon is out of the picture, probably with major Islamic influence.

This ties in with Muslim end of the age beliefs. I don't see a Caliphate forming / existing with the US remaining the most powerful nation.

Not saying with 100% certainty that the US (or cities) is Mystery Babylon, just leaning in that direction. I'm more certain that it is a place, not church / religion, etc.

Couldn't pay me enough to live in NYC or DC...

93 posted on 06/15/2013 8:59:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Lets look at what we know of MB:

Isa 21:9
And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, [with] a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.

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Rev 14:8
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

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Rev.17
[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
[9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

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The description given in Revelation for MB is distinctly the British royal family, and does not fit the US or any other nation at all:

“[12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
[13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.”

I’ve heard many say that it also fits the Vatican, but my knowledge of the Vatican is not sufficient to affirm that.

Finally, is the fact that no differentiation is made between the “Beast” and Mystery Babylon. Rev 17 appears to say that they are one and the same.

The accusation WRT the blood of the prophets would appear to point to the Sanhedrin, but certainly not to the US.


94 posted on 06/16/2013 2:00:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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