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Posted on 06/16/2013 3:01:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
ModMark wrote: One of the coal plants shut down in Chicago was built ~90 years ago. While upgraded in the 1950's. it still did not meet EPA standards before Obama was elected. These plants were grandfather in when the clean air act was past. These ancient relics should have been converted to natural gas long ago.Do you really want to live next to one of these ancient plants? in response to Obama Promise Kept: Coal Plants to go Bankrupt with New EPA Carbon Cap
Dear Comrade Mark,
The building was built 90 years ago, but the actual power plant generating electricity is considerably younger than that. And according to the company, the plant either meets or exceed[s] federal and state emissions requirements according to thePasadena Star.
And oh, by the way the plant did meet EPA standards well before Obama was elected. Thats why one of the largest buyers of renewable energy- Southern California Edison- bought the coal-fired plants in the first place: They generated cheap electricity from that plant that could be sold to the highest bidder, while staying in compliance with EPA requirements for their class. For the buyers it helped subsidize the costs of more expensive green energy.
Plane wrote: Re: "Because coal has just been given the death sentence"..... not quite correct....... coal users have to break down and make the capital investment to stop their spewing acid rain forming smoke and soot from their outdated furnaces. in response to Obama Promise Kept: Coal Plants to go Bankrupt with New EPA Carbon Cap
Dear Comrade Plane,
Why do liberals have such an aversion to just telling the truth? Or reading an entire article?
Enviro-Whackos are jubilant over the EPA regulation that would require coals carbon emissions to meet or exceed the carbon emissions that come from natural gas. Short of carbon sequestration- which isnt really technically possible yet- coal can never match natural gas in carbon emission reductions.
If old King Coal isnt dead already, hes certainly teetering toward life support, said Frank ODonnell, president Clean Air Watch in Washington according to Bloomberg.
The capital investments that you are talking about make coal completely uneconomic, by design.
So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can, said candidate Obama its just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thats being emitted.
And now he has basically tied this country to a single source of fuel: natural gas.
What happens when activists play the health and safety card on natural gas, like they have already started to? What happens when an LNG store goes boom in the middle of Boston Harbor?
Truth001 wrote: When anyone talks about division in this country the immediate thing that comes to mind is columns like this. It has little known value and only appeals to your faithful readers. So if these are the people you attempting to rally mission accomplished, but wait a minute Ransom it really didn't take you to get them there. They were already there. So all the "ad-a-boys" you just gave yourself appear to be just a means to pump up your own ego. in response to Where's Obama's Outrage Over Murder of "My" Son?
Dear Comrade Pravda001,
Youre lecturing me about divisions?
Tax just the rich? We are the 99%? If I had a son, hed look like Trayvon?
None of that is meant to unite. Thats the fractional math liberals always do.
When people talk about division these days they only have to point to Obama as a prime example. The longer hes president, the more reckless his policies have become.
I knew that Obama would pursue policies that I would hate, but I thought, based on his campaign rhetoric, that he would try to heal the racial wounds in the country.
But hes done just the opposite.
Lets face it, critics have a point: There is a reason why Obama was a member of Rev Wrights church.
Jim5522 wrote: Failed Obama policy in Afghanistan John? Do you even recall who and why we were led into this conflict some 10 years ago? Can you explain why Obama was left this war and the Iraq war to finish when he was sworn into office in January 2009? If Bush had accomplished what he swore to do in 2001, then we wouldn't have had to wait until May 2011 for Obama to kill OBL and just maybe this war could have ended years earlier and who knows ... he might still be known as Senator Obama! in response to Where's Obama's Outrage Over Murder of "My" Son?
Dear Comrade 5522,
Yes. I do recall why we are in Afghanistan.
You dont though.
19 fanatics hijacked airplanes and rammed them into immovable objects. Their training was in Afghanistan, under the protection of the regime run under Mullah Omar of the Taliban.
42 countries provided troops for the invasion although the core of the troops were provided by NATO. In the combined House and Senate there was only one vote against the resolution authorizing the invasion of Afghanistan.
Obamas had a year since the United States Navy killed Osama bin Laden, and the security situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan has gotten worse, not better. Perhaps George Bush was right- he was by the way- that Osama bin Laden wasnt that big a deal, strategically. I think events so far have proven that point of view correct. You dont invade a country with troops from 42 nations to kill or capture a single man.
I mean, I know liberals are fond of big, unwieldy government programs for everything, but I guess until your comments I never understood how rooted the sickness was.
So your theory is that our whole purpose of invading both Afghanistan and Iraq was so that we could kill or capture bin Laden? And then everything would be OK?
I never thought that Obama would be that naïve, but maybe he really thought that too.
The Iraq War was finished before Obama took office, so he cant claim credit for that. He can get the blame for not keeping a presence in the region and turning Iraq over to Iran politically. That was a really stupid move on his part.
There was no way the Afghanistan war was going to ever end in anything other than defeat the way Obama went at it. Pouring troops into the country was exactly the wrong tack to take.
Mike wrote: Governments are made up of people. Your post left you open to the question, what do you think is the difference between governments and corporations, as far as being invested with moral qualities? Point of reference: Citizens United. in response to Gospel According to Democrats: Woman, Behold Thy Government Program!
Dear Comrade Mike,
Neither governments nor corporations are moral. Morality is distinctly a human quality. I think when Romney talked about corporations being people, he meant made up of people, not actual human beings.
But that distinction doesnt mean that corporations cant have standing in law or in politics. It just means that we should recognize in both governments and in corporations their inability to be moral. They will always act in their own selfish best interest, even if that best interest sometimes looks like it has a moral objective.
We see this in green marketing. Do corporations care about green because of the altruistic benefit it can give to others? Or do they see green as a marketing tool?
Behind green marketing is a series of balance sheet and cash flow calculations that, once they come out on the negative side of the ledger, will determine whether green marketing is a short-term thing or something thats a long-term trend.
Take for example autos, which in the late 1970s and early 1980s were all about mile per gallon. As the price of oil went down relative to inflation, automakers stopped caring about miles per gallon and started selling amenities instead. Now that oil is more expensive automakers will care again about miles per gallon.
Human beings are different, in the sense that they have the ability to innately know the difference between right and wrong.
CS Lewis believed that it was this ability to understand the moral absolutes that was the most compelling proof of the existence of God.
Liberals believe that governments are moral and corporations are immoral. Conservatives know that both are amoral.
Jerome49 wrote: With the clarity of hindsight one can see that the Obama administration has manufactured an issue where none previously existed. Beginning with the George Stephanopolis questioning of Mitt Romney as to whether he believed that states had the right to forbid birth control. Romney said that birth control was not an issue and that it should be left alone, Stephanopolis continued begging the question until the audience began booing him in response to Gospel According to Democrats: Woman, Behold Thy Government Program!
The campaign Democrats- mostly Obama- will put on will be a constant challenge to change the subject from the economy to anything that is more polarizing.
The more red meat they can show to conservatives, the better Obama will think things are going.
To the extent that Romney doesnt fit that red meat conservative mold, he probably is the most electable of candidates from that perspective. Hes shown himself to be a pretty disciplined campaigner, content to stay on topic and be boring as long as voters continue to think about the economy.
Conservatives will hate this, but the election is supposed to come down to who can best manage the economy. Romney wins that debate as long as he doesnt make any serious mistakes.
Doctor Roy wrote: Well average income really isn't the gauge to look at. I mean you, me and Bill Gates have an average income of about 3 billion dollars a year. Median family income is the true measure of how most Americans are doing. And that has been falling steadily since 2000. It is part of the systematic assault on the American Middle Class by the Political, Corporate and Bought Priesthood class and doesn't have anything to do with temporary recessions. It is a long term trend and proves that there is class warfare going on but only one side is actually waging it.- Obama Abuses Words as Clinton Abused Women
Dear Comrade Doctor (or Wrong-Again Roy),
As our own contributor Political Calculations has pointed out that income inequality is a mathematical myth.
Personal income distribution has remained about the same:
In fact, the Gini curve associated with the fine PIDs is a constant near 0.51 between 1960 and 2005 despite a significant increase in the GPI/GDP ratio and the portion of people with income during this period (see Figure 1). This is a crucial observation because of the famous discussion on the increasing inequality in the USA as presented by the Gini coefficient for households (US CB, 2000). Obviously, the increasing G for households reflects some changes in their composition, i.e. social processes, but not economic processes as defined by distribution of personal incomes.
To put this more plainly, its the composition of households on the lower end of the income scale that has changed rather than income generated itself.
If more and more families, for example, are single parent households, there is only one income that is counted toward household income rather than two.
Since the number of households is skewed toward the lower side of the income scale, they would necessarily be more affected by the change in composition of households in general.
For example, a husband and wife both make $46,000 per year so their household income is $92,000. But if they get divorced their household income is only $46,000. Income inequality? No. Social factors here are contributing to changing the method of accounting.
We have already confirmed that there has been absolutely no meaningful change in the inequality of individual income earners in the years from 1994 through 2010. If income inequality in the U.S. was really driven by economic factors, this is where we would see it, because paychecks (or dividend checks, or checks for capital gains, etc.) are made out to individuals, not to families and not to households.
Roy, liberals really should embrace science rather than abuse it for political purposes. You want to support income equality for households? Then support marriage.
Doctor Roy wrote: I asked this question somewhere last week but didn't get an answer. If Corporations don't really pay income taxes- but instead pass it on to consumers- if a particular corporation pays little or no income tax (and there are many of them) could it then be possible that they are just using the statutory rate instead of their actual rate as an excuse to raise prices and outsource jobs overseas?-Obama's Solution to High Taxes: Even Higher Taxes
Dear Comrade Roy,
To paraphrase the movie Billy Madison, I think we are all a little dumber for having listened to your question here today. Your question is another shining example why liberals should NEVER have anything to do with our economy.
Corporations may pass along corporate taxes to customers, but that doesnt mean that the tax has no effect on them. When a corporation is saddled with high taxes, they raise the price of the products they sell, which means that they sell fewer products and they do so at a lower profit margin.
Corporations write checks to the government all the time to pay for taxes on their profits.
If you looked at the financial pages all week last week, companies were reporting earnings; that is profits. And profits are what really drive the market.
There are few GEs out there that pay nothing.
Even assuming that your blended mash of words makes some sense, one should ask why companies are going overseas to start with? Why are other countries lowering their statutory tax rates, as you call them, if it doesnt make the companies more competitive?
Take Illinois for example- where you live.
Why did the state cut deals with Caterpillar and CME and Jimmy Johns to give them tax breaks AFTER raising the so-called statutory tax on corporate profits? The did it because they realized that if they didnt those companies would leave the state.
Lois01 wrote: Capital-ISM; Conservat-ISM; Patriot-ISM; National-ISM; International-ISM; Deconscructiv-ISM; Antidisestablilshmentarian-ISM; Yes, all ISMs are exactly the same. - The Obamunist-Controlled Press Has a Job to Do on Jobs
Dear Comrade Lois,
I didnt say that all isms are exactly the same.
What I wrote was: Obamunism has the same problem that most isms share. People picked it based on emotion and have spent their lives- and their credibility- trying to justifying it based on logic. And emotion, in these cases, always wins out.
Obamunism, unlike some of the isms that you pointed out (capitalism, conservatism, patriotism, nationalism) is a relatively short lived invention.
Lets see if it can make it four more years.
WotanofAZgard wrote: Always funny when GOP twits like Ransom cite the NYT as a credible source when its reporting can be used for rightwing propaganda. -Stop the Liberal Presses: New York Times/CBS Poll Finds Trouble for Obama
Dear Comrade Odin,
Its nice when you take a break from listening to Zeppelin tunes in the basement and drop the Mein Kampf to make one of your intellectual arguments here on Townhall. You might be the last living person who actually thinks that calling someone a twit is going to carry an argument.
There are much better words than twit.
First idiot liberal, full of concern about emissions from coal-fired generating plants: “Do you really want to live next to one of these ancient plants?”
Actually, since the gaseous emissions go up stacks hundreds of feet high, the *safest* place to be (in terms of breathable air) is in fact next to one of those plants. The whole point of the smokestacks is dilute and disperse those emissions, which is why when you see smoke (or more commonly steam) coming from them, you never see it going straight down.
But of course it’s the right that has no respect for science.
'There are much better words than twit.'True. But they're Libtards so you're limited what they're able to read and somewhat comprehend. So four letter, and single syllable words are about it, and that leaves you with; 'twit' -- and this is not something new.
The Chicago Sun-Times (aka Slum-Times) has been doing this for over five decades that I know of. They avoid using three and four syllable words like they were the plague as its readers are 'semi'-illiterate; When I was a kid you could tell what kind of neighborhood you were driving in by which Newspaper Box was on a street corner. The 'Slum-Times' equaled 'Bad' [;-)], and the Chicago Tribune equaled 'Good'.
disclosure: I've been using 'twit' for awhile when I diss a Libtard on the Internet. And of late, 'Rapscallion' when commenting on the
crime sprees 'wildings' by those ... uh ... 'urban yutes'.
Dear Fearless Leader Ransom,
Subsequent to their training THE TERRORISTS WERE ALLOWED TO ENTER AND STAY IN THE UNITED STATES, MANY OF THEM ILLEGALLY, a policy Bush did nothing about, deliberately. Instead, he used the threat of terrorism to build a domestic police state and because of his gutlessness in dealing with Democrats, when their policies tanked the economy, he quietly took the blame and handed the keys to a Marxist.
So, was the cause for 9-11 training camps in third world hellholes or was it because of open borders? Hmmm? Is it financially, demographically, or fiscally possible for the United States to make the entire planet inhospitable to terrorist training camps? Was dealing with terrorist training camps really the objective when Bush did NOTHING about such facilities within the United States where they remain to this day?
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