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Oh, good: Broke cities looking to unload expensive retirees on ObamaCare, i.e. taxpayers
Hot Air ^ | July 7, 2013 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 07/07/2013 4:34:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 07/07/2013 4:36:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Obama administration’s short-term panicked desperation to avoid ObamaCare-related consequences in the 2014 midterms is only matched by their relatively longer-term panicked desperation to convince young and healthy Americans to get with the program en masse. They’re going to need a heck of a lot of people with relatively inexpensive health-insurance needs to participate in and subsequently subsidize the inherently riskier and more expensive insurance pools the program creates by deliberate design — a redistributive fact of which the law’s supporters and administrators are all too aware.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bamascare; abortion; chicago; corruption; deathpanels; democrats; elections; fraud; healthinsurance; obama; obamacare; zerocare
Probably one of the reasons it was developed.
1 posted on 07/07/2013 4:34:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was precisely Willard Mitt Romney’s reason.

When he sold companies, everyone lost healthcare
and blamed him.

So he screwed the taxpayers, and the entire USA.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 4:36:22 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly. The creators of socialized ObamaCare knew all along that it would not work. One cannot indefinitely force private insurance companies to take people with preexisting conditions. The insurance companies—crippled with red tape— will run out of money and shut their doors.

Then single payer will come in as the white knight. Virtually all doctors and nurses will be forced to work for one giant nationwide hospital. One dirty, bureaucratic, cruel, overcrowded, germ-filled hospital. Just like in England.

Just wait.


3 posted on 07/07/2013 4:39:30 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: Diogenesis

Is the “Romney is no different than Obama” still going here on FR? Geez, FR was a big contributor to Obama gaining a second term. Are you still on autopilot? Or did I misunderstand your incoherence?


4 posted on 07/07/2013 4:48:33 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: heye2monn

Been a nurse since 1979. Glad I don’t have a whole career still ahead of me in this wretched system.


5 posted on 07/07/2013 4:50:03 PM PDT by Catmom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obamacare was intended to DESTROY the system of private insurance and health care providers.


6 posted on 07/07/2013 4:50:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama care is going to add one more in series of economic hurdles that will make it very hard for young people to build a life around the American Dream because they will have to support the welfare payments and health care for millions of layabouts , illegal aliens and phony system riders/scammers.

Young people will have to spend the money they normally would have spent on starter houses, cars, furniture and other traditional fixtures of starting a life on health care for other people who refuse to take care of themselves.

7 posted on 07/07/2013 4:50:29 PM PDT by rdcbn
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Of course this was their plan all along... it’s merely incrementalism this monstrosity they passed without reading or understanding. The designers however, knew exactly what they were doing, creating a system that has to fail so they can blame the greedy insurance companies for rising premiums and reduced services. Dennis Kucinish on Fox News today at least is one Democrat that will admit this plan !!
I suspect they will tie the doctors license to being in on the scam so as to avoid dual medical care systems one for the cash payers and one for the masses who need to rely on the government largess !
We are screwed, medical-care speaking !!


8 posted on 07/07/2013 4:52:57 PM PDT by Froggie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Broke cities RUN BY DEMOCRATIC PARTY looking...


9 posted on 07/07/2013 4:57:34 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Probably one of the reasons it was developed.


I thought the same when I read this. A devious way for democrat controlled municipalities to escape the consequences of having rewarded their public service union allies over the years at the expense of the taxpayer.


10 posted on 07/07/2013 4:58:55 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: caver
I didn't realize a Rove-bot was posting here...

Mitt was a horrible choice made by the Kristolistas and Roveistas.... Enough of the East coast big money...

Ain't gonna play here!

11 posted on 07/07/2013 4:59:18 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The worst bill bar none that ever passed through the Congress. Thanks Congress, Thanks Nancy.


12 posted on 07/07/2013 5:00:25 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ptsal

I didn’t realize a Rove-bot was posting here...

Mitt was a horrible choice made by the Kristolistas and Roveistas.... Enough of the East coast big money...

Ain’t gonna play here!


Don’t forget to mention Ann Coulternista...


13 posted on 07/07/2013 5:00:33 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: ptsal

You missed the point, I’m no Rove-bot and never was, but he is a million times better than your candidate Barry. Thanks for your help in getting Obama a second term.


14 posted on 07/07/2013 5:03:19 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: ptsal; All

Right we should nominated the quitter from Alaska or sweater boy. At least Rove knows how to win elections. Unlike some people here I like to win. Not sit at home screaming and shouting for not being a pure Conservative.


15 posted on 07/07/2013 5:03:29 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Only losers like to win by losing.)
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To: heye2monn
Then single payer will come in as the white knight. Virtually all doctors and nurses will be forced to work for one giant nationwide hospital. One dirty, bureaucratic, cruel, overcrowded, germ-filled hospital. Just like in England.

That's the plan. And the response will be to fight for refundable vouchers to allow people to opt out. This will have to be sold as an opportunity for people who watch their weight and avoid X,Y, and Z to earn a discount for their good behavior. This has the advantage of being good policy as well as self-evidently fair.

It's similar to what needs to happen on public schools. And I think, in the long run, we WILL win on schools.

16 posted on 07/07/2013 5:06:23 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Catmom

Dittoes to that. Being a nurse in the appalling National Health System in England (our future) is almost as depressing as being a patient.


17 posted on 07/07/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guess the high loans from liberal elite colleges isn’t enough to burden young American with... that’s the dem ‘logic’ right?


18 posted on 07/07/2013 5:15:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is a dangerous extremist.. Greenfield)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All

Let’s start REALLY ticking off the narcissist. Don’t call it “Obamacare” anymore.


19 posted on 07/07/2013 5:15:35 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: KevinDavis
At least Rove knows how to win elections. Unlike some people here I like to win. Not sit at home screaming and shouting for not being a pure Conservative.

McStain and Mittens won the elections? You poor, poor, PDS'tard.

20 posted on 07/07/2013 5:24:54 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: caver

You want the whole country to become like MA? Mitt was a loser.


21 posted on 07/07/2013 5:26:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: KevinDavis

Who won more primary states?

Mitt in 2008 or sweater boy in 2012?


22 posted on 07/07/2013 5:27:15 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And now you know the rest of the story.....


23 posted on 07/07/2013 5:33:53 PM PDT by griswold3 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: JCBreckenridge

You want the whole country to become like Illinois? Barry is a loser.


24 posted on 07/07/2013 5:37:42 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: KevinDavis

‘And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? ... What good does it do for people to win the whole world yet lose their lives?’


25 posted on 07/07/2013 5:38:20 PM PDT by griswold3 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: Diogenesis

We all knew this was coming...and part of his plan. Municipalities must, by law, go with the lowest quote...which will be the govt plan. Eventually all municipal employees will be dumped onto govt plan...furthering the argument for single payer system...Obamoas end goal anyway.


26 posted on 07/07/2013 5:38:58 PM PDT by bike800
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To: KevinDavis

“At least Rove knows how to win elections.”

Name the last one he actually won.


27 posted on 07/07/2013 5:39:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That will be a the first big fight over debt/revenues between large groups of government income recipients: those currently employed by government (inspectors, teachers, social workers, police, emergency/rescue persons, others) vs. pensioners. That’s where the only chance for shifting noticeably sizable chunks of debt/revenues really is.


28 posted on 07/07/2013 6:00:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: KevinDavis
At least Rove knows how to win elections.

You are an arrogant, elitist GOPe puke.

The idiot, EVIL Rove barely won two elections that should have been cake walks.

Tell your arrogant elitist friends that I will NEVER vote for a RINO again.

P.S. Sarah is superior to any BUSH, to any RINO and to all your other arrogant, snobby pals.

I pray 2012 was a watershed election whereby Conservatives will NEVER again cast a vote for the barely lesser of two evils.

Most Conservatives I know say they will never vote RINO again.

29 posted on 07/07/2013 6:08:55 PM PDT by sand88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s exactly why it was developed. obama admitted as much in an interview before the 2008 election.


30 posted on 07/07/2013 6:09:55 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah. Didn’t see that comin. /sarc


31 posted on 07/07/2013 6:33:49 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: caver

Free Republic also points out that abortions are really no different than infanticide.

Yup. Lotsa true things still going on.

Before the current leadership of the boyscouts gave the kids over to incoming homosexuals, Romney was signaling his willingness to sign a bill mandating the same when he was governor of Massachusetts.

You one of the people who thought that couldn’t happen, or didn’t care?

Its not that there are no differences. Its just that the differences are not significant.


32 posted on 07/07/2013 6:41:29 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: sand88; All

Sorry but you seem to love to support people who never finished a full term as Governor. You Sarah bots is just as bad as Obama bots. But hey if you keep on screaming yelling like bunch a little brats ans failed to live in real world fine. Go ahead a be bunch of losers.


33 posted on 07/07/2013 6:57:25 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Only losers like to win by losing.)
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To: Lurker; All

The 2000 election. The 2004 election. Do you know? Have you run a campaign?


34 posted on 07/07/2013 6:59:16 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Only losers like to win by losing.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Conservatives can fight it by attacking the institution that enables and funds a wasteful government and their social engineering schemes - the Federal Reserve.


35 posted on 07/07/2013 7:43:37 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: KevinDavis
Go ahead a be bunch of losers.

LOL. I expected such a juvenile response. Sad really.

Sarah is truly in the head of all losers like yourself. You true home is the DUmp with all the other leftists and fake Conservatives like yourself.

Thanks for the laugh.... It's good to hear from hard-core leftists that are here... so easy to spot...

Have a nice day! :)

36 posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:42 PM PDT by sand88
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To: KevinDavis
You Sarah bots is just as bad as Obama bots.

LOL. Wow!!! so deep. You are a genius. LOL... you never, ever pass the chance to attack Sarah or her supporters... You must truly have deep seated anger issues at women... LOL

37 posted on 07/07/2013 9:11:25 PM PDT by sand88
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To: bike800

Our county self insures. They have a company that manages it. We also have a county hospital that runs deep in the red. From what I understand one of the few county hospitals left.
Hubby is a retired county firefighter. He went to see his doc the other day and doc said that he had sent one of his gals to the county board of supervisors meeting. They are talking about totally dumping their self insured insurance and just sending everyone to the county hospital. Lots and lots of employees, especially if you add retirees, added to the numbers at the already overloaded hospital. Hubby pays big money for his insurance that will then require he wait for hours at the county hospital. Needless to say he is peeved.


38 posted on 07/07/2013 9:54:29 PM PDT by sheana
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To: caver

Of course, the conservative-backstabber is different
from Obama.

Romney was the FIRST to impose ObamaCARE and also
gay marriage, by the way.
THE FIRST. And the rat Romney will go down
in history as imposing both first, and THEN
destroying every conservative against both.

Are you still supporting him and Rove?
Do you really belong here?


39 posted on 07/08/2013 4:09:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

No, I don’t really belong here with all of you “principled” conservatives. You go to all extremes, even getting Obama elected just to prove your point. Well, you proved it. I hope you’re proud getting Barry his second term.

The problem with “principled” conservatives is that they will never get behind one candidate. They will self destruct and take this country down with them. But by golly, they will go their grave knowing they are right. And you are a fine example of all that goes on here on FR.


40 posted on 07/08/2013 4:35:45 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver

Despite YOUR falsehoods, FReepers all helped
Romney-the- Rat who collapsed after
attacking conservatives.

Just like his attacks (and yours?) on Gov. Palin in 2008.

WE WILL NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN.


41 posted on 07/08/2013 4:55:20 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: caver
I held my nose and voted for your guy. I knew he was scum that was only slightly better than Obama and then he totally caved on foreign affairs and lost an election that should have been easy.

I will never do it again. I will stand by my principles and vote by my principles and leave it to people such as yourself to foist your "electable" RINO candidates on the Republican party. People such as yourself are destroying what the Republican party used to stand for hoping to get elected with a "Democrat lite" message.

42 posted on 07/08/2013 10:12:07 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: KevinDavis
Kevin....dear boy...

Get a grip on it...

Where is your list of "winners"?

These talking heads and consultants have brought us nothing but heartache and frustration....

Now, that is reality.

43 posted on 07/08/2013 5:04:20 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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