Zimmerman, Trayvon, and Manliness

The Excellence In Broadcating Network ^ | July 12, 2013 | Rush Limbaugh

[HiTech RedNeck]

I’d buy that Treyvon was in some kind of simmering rage, though. As for his girlfriend... I feel sorry for her. Love is blind. No matter what happens to George here, the temper that brought the times to this point didn’t brew overnight and can’t diffuse overnight either. Doesn’t this world seem more and more full of unreasoning hate?

[HiTech RedNeck]

As an amateur web fueled punk he might have thought he could slim jim his way through a door lock.

[JoeProBono]

[tacticalogic]

As an amateur web fueled punk he might have thought he could slim jim his way through a door lock.

Maybe, but they found a big, flat-bladed screwdrive in his backpack with the jewelery. That's what you'd normally use to jimmy a door or window. Anybody who's actually done it would know a slim-jim isn't going to work.

[HiTech RedNeck]

In older days there was a kind of crooks called “loidmen.” They would take a thin piece of celluloid and fish around a spring loaded door bolt. And to be opportunistic in case one should encounter a car with a juicy prize in it would hardly be unlikely for such a little outlaw.

[MinuteGal]

I can't believe they never found the owners of that jewelry. Women don't forget what their stolen jewelry looks like. I don't think the cops or school authorities tried too hard to locate the rightful owners. I never heard of any follow-up on this. Either Trayvon was stealing or fencing....or both.

Leni

[tacticalogic]

And to be opportunistic in case one should encounter a car with a juicy prize in it would hardly be unlikely for such a little outlaw.

Maybe, but a slim-jim is getting pretty "old school". I think newer cars have the lock linkages covered, which makes a slim-jim pretty ineffective. Now, they just smash and grab. There's more evidence of him being interested in sport/entertainment fighting than burglary.

[infowarrior]

I'm not sure what effect the absence of a "father" might have on girls growing up.It could be profound...it could be negligible.

It is profound. A girl growing up without a decent father does not learn to discern a real man from a trashy bum. She will have problems in dealing with the opposite gender, as unless she has brothers, the opposite gender will be completely alien to her.

Why do you think we have the Maddonas, and the Kim Kardashians in this world?

the infowarrior

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

I differ with you on George’s weakness. The sucker punch to the nose, to someone standing on wet grass in the rain could easily knock a very tough ‘cop’ on his back.

Depending on the strength of the blow, and considering that it was dark as pitch, I can accept the possibility. We know, as the jury doesn’t, that 12yo angel Trayvon was heavy into fighting. .

There had to be a reason so important, that Trayvon left the safety of the residence to go back to the original spot where George had first spotted him ‘peering into windows’, a spot where he hid or lost something in the bushes.

He gets there and is searching, but here comes Zimmerman back up the sidewalk behind the houses on the way back to his vehicle. Trayvon is worried he called the cops, or is calling the cops, or will do so as soon as he sees Trayvon or hears him. Either way, Trayvon is screwed. Whatever was so important for him to go back and get, it would likely also get him arrested. He might get tied in with the home invasion there at the complex. The one where only the other thug got caught.

Trayvon knew if he got in trouble again, he would get kicked out of Brandy’s townhouse. Trayvon had to do something to ‘solve’ this problem, and the rest is history.

The more I think about that, the more sense it makes. I suppose I really never thought seriously along those lines. Really interesting point.

But you know, my line of thought for the jury would be this:

Of all the people who heard the ruckus, John Good was the only guy who ventured to take a look. The rest just called 911 and/or whimpered. So cut him plenty of slack. But suppose that John Good had been a cop, or just a little bit more aggressive/brave/armed personally (a thought that John Good will IMHO go to his grave pondering). Or, alternately, suppose that the cops - whom GZ had after all semi-urgently called - had arrived before the shot, and taken control of the situation. What would the prosecution have had on George Zimmerman? Bupkis. Aggravated assault & battery on Mr. Martin, nothing at all on GZ.

Therefore
All the testimony about anything that happened before John Good showed up
is nothing but noise and smoke. So the only question for the jury is,

What happened after John Good left to call 911?

And on that we have only a “he said, she said,” case. George Zimmerman had an excellent motive to say that Trayvon went for the gun. And there seem to be people named “legion” who have a motive to dismiss that as self serving. But we know one thing about it. George Zimmerman suffered a terrible beating and screamed for help for at least 40 seconds. You can turn all of the defense witnesses and have them all say that that was not George Zimmerman’s voice, and you would still know that

Trayvon Martin did not try to get George Zimmerman’s neighbors to come and help beat George Zimmerman up.

And whatever noise and smoke the prosecution musters about “hate” from George Zimmerman, something changed in George Zimmerman’s mind the moment before that shot was recorded on the 911 call. If Trayvon Martin did not put the thought in George Zimmerman’s mind that somebody was going to fire that gun and it had better not be Trayvon Martin, what was it?

And does it matter?

[mvpel]

Most grow out of it, but Mr. Martin unfortunately will not get that chance.

I don't think it's unfortunate for the victims of the crimes that he would have committed before "growing out of it."

[dirtboy]

What Rush misses is that Martin sucker-punched Zimmerman and then pinned him on the ground. Kinda hard to fight back from that when there is no size advantage.