Posted on 07/12/2013 3:25:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I think it takes courage to do the right thing, regardless of risk.
George was not physically much of a match for Trayvon, but he did not challenge Trayvon to a fight at all.
We are not obligated to fight the bullies in this world. We can refuse to fight, and kill them if they insist on a fight.
Me? I probably would have had a shot at kicking Trayvon’s ass without a gun, but that does not obligate me to do so at all. I am 54, and like Clint says, “A man has to know his limitations!” I am 54 and I need to absorb all of this and realize that the day is coming when I might need an equalizer.
more misandry
Well, I think the conjecture that Mr. Zimmerman ought to have simply physically overpowered the lad who attacked by surprise sounds very nice in principle, but one does with what resources one has at the time. If there is a crying absence of manliness in this picture, I believe the chiefest offenders do not include George. How about all the cowards that let this railroading go on, no matter what the jury ends up saying? How about the cowards who did not dare to teach St. Tray about the moral hazards of purple drank?
Some blacks and liberals argue that Zimmerman should have never left his car.
Even the liberal and/or black defense of Martin actually betrays the fact that blacks are a danger to society.
Blaming Zimmerman because he got out of the car is like blaming a human for getting out of a car in the middle of wilderness with rhinos, lions, hyenas, and aggressive baboons. He should have known better since wild animals are dangerous!!
So, the logic of ‘Zimmerman should have stayed in the car’ argument implies that black males are INDEED dangerous beasts and one should remain IN THE CAR when one sees one walking the streets.
It’s funny. Blacks used to complain that white folks lock their cars when blacks walk by. Now, they are complaining that someone walked out of the car when a Negro kid was prowling nearby. I mean doesn’t Zimmerman know that one should never leave the car when a Negro is around?
yeah... it sounds like an intimidation argument disguised as peace activism
I think Rush is off here. There are still real men in America.
There just aren’t as many.
If the fight came down the way Zim has said, the gun was not a factor until TM tried to take it. At that point Zim’s only choice may have been to shoot or risk dying.
The problem has been the focus on irrelevant arguments – some of which are actually unsupported by the evidence.
1. ‘GZ racially profiled TM’ There is no evidence of this.
2. ‘GZ disobeyed an order by the police’ * The civilian dispatcher, Sean Noffke, testified that he did not give GZ an order and, in fact, he, like his fellow dispatchers, are trained not make comments that sound like commands. * Noffke also testified under cross that, as a result of his asking GZ which way TM was going, GZ could have reasonably interpreted this as being asked to follow Martin. * It is also not a crime in Florida to disregard a comment made by a civilian dispatcher
3. ‘GZ got out of his car’ Not a crime on public property and not negligent either.
4. ‘GZ followed TV’ Again, anyone can follow anyone on a public street unless the followee has obtained a restraining order against the follower and even there, the RS only places time, place, and manner restrictions on the person enjoined.
5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defence laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony
6. ‘TM is dead through no fault of his own’ * If you believe that TM assaulted GZ, then he IS dead as a result of his own actions
7. ‘GZ could have left’ * Under Florida law, there is not a duty to withdraw rather than use deadly force * TM was straddling GZ so how the latter was supposed to leave the scene is unanswered
8. ‘GZ was armed and TM wasn’t’ * One’s fists can be considered weapons and can result in severe bodily harm or death
* GZ was legally carrying a weapon * There is no requirement under the law that the same weapon be used by the assailant * A homeowner can kill an intruder whether or not he has been threatened * Those that attack cannot feign surprise if they are met with superior firepower
9. ‘Stand Your Ground!’ * SYG is NOT at issue in this trial. * The defence is a classic self-defence case
10. ‘Black men NEVER get to use SYG!’ * Wrong http://tinyurl.com/nboht35
11. ‘GZ is a man and TM was a boy!’ * As if ‘boys’ don’t commit murder, rape, and assault everyday in this country.
I was lucky enough to have two good,decent,admirable parents who were good to me and taught me well.I suspect that that's the biggest single reason for my having turned out to be,perhaps,fairly decent.
Of all the great,great classics of the 60's this is one of my very favorites.It reminds me of my Dad.I wonder how Martin might have turned out if he had experienced what is contained in this song.
In fact to me it speaks to a certain amount of restraint on George’s part... maybe in spite of getting clobbered he still hoped to see a minimally violent end to the fight. That’s not cowardly, to be willing to take some punishment for the sake of peace as long as there is some accountability applied at the end... but truly said, it isn’t “macho” either. Jesus’ own conduct comes to mind. (There were definitely passers-by so a shout for assistance would make sense.)
it is said that you should never attack an old man. He can no longer run, he can no longer fight, so his only defense is to kill you.
technology schmechnology.
the problem is plain old vanilla sin. God hollers “I LOVE YOU!” and we go “huh? what’s that irrelevant coot trying to say anyhow?”
and so God lets us slowly hang ourselves till we finally figure out that we really don’t want that rope around our neck after all. a lower tech society would be no more immune to sin.
Two of the witnesses in this case, both young males, could have intervened and prevented the need for Zimmerman to shoot Martin.
Zimmerman, screaming, begged eyewitness John Good to come help him. Good, watching from only 17 feet away, replied to Zimmerman that he was calling the police instead. Zimmerman screamed that the police were already on the way—that he needed Good’s help. Good could have knocked Martin off Zimmerman and stopped the deadly confrontation just by putting himself a bit at risk, but no, he didn’t want to get that involved, just like Kitty Genovese’s neighbors (some readers have no idea who Kitty Genovese was, I realize) didn’t want to get involved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
There was another young male witness in the Zimmerman case, who testified that told his wife, “stay away from the window, don’t look out, we don’t want to make this our problem.”
You get my point.
Lots of cowardice.
Now the opposite of cowardice is courage. Courage is a word derived from the French “coeur” meaning heart. Hearts are made for love. In love, one dares to take risks to prevent the works of hatred from progressing.
Well-put.
Anyone who is not blinded by hate, as so many rabid, easily stirred-up blacks and white leftists are over this case, can see that Zimmerman has nothing but love for his community and fellow humans.
Mr. Flynn, the author of the above, virtually parroted me and I virtually parroted him especially in his "Pillsbury Doughboy" paragraph.
Dang it all because he probably got paid a pretty penny for his efforts while all I got for mine was some snark and a tee shirt that says "U Belong on DU, Commie !"
LOL
Leni
I’m almost 71, am I still expected to duke it out with any young buck who wants to attack me?
A feminine culture will eventually be challenged by a surging masculine culture and will lose. Europe and America are the essential Women’s nations in the world and are faced with the rapidly growing entirely Masculine China that has desires for conquest, in fact, must embark on expansion and conquest to keep its extreme sex overbalance of young men from blowing apart China itself. All those extra men have to have an outlet. That outlet is war when there are insufficient women. It is the same with the Moslem world. Menp predominate because they repress their women to cattle status and kill a lot of them and deny men any access to women before they are married. Moslems are mitigating the problem a bit with enthusiastic fratricide but they will soon predominate in Europe and eventually in America if we keep importing them as fast as we can.
And perhaps George did agonize over whether or not to give a testimony of why he did what he did, and then accede to his attorneys’ suggestion that nothing is to be gained in this sinful world by doing it in a situation like this. (St. Paul might have differed, but he was definitely on a gospel mission.) Should George be cleared, as I pray the Lord will happen if nothing that would significantly change the picture has been hidden from the public in this matter, I foresee a book by him that has a very Christian witness in it.
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