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Ted Cruz could beat Hillary
Salon ^ | SATURDAY, JUL 20, 2013 | JONATHAN BERNSTEIN

Posted on 07/21/2013 2:01:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

He may be a right-wing nut, but the Texas senator can beat a Democrat in a general election. Here's why

There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects. The demagoguing senator took his first trip to Iowa just six months after being sworn in to office, and he’s pretty clearly reaching for the White House. Early reports are that it’s going well. And Rich Yeselson wrote a high-profile (and fascinating) essay arguing that, basically, Cruz is perfectly positioned for reaching the top of the Republican ticket.

The focus of this piece is on Cruz’s general election viability. When it comes to the primary, I’m not going to start handicapping the viable candidates seeking the Republican nomination yet; I’ll only say that I don’t see any reason not to include Cruz in that group, as of now. Viable candidates have conventional credentials and are in the mainstream of their party on questions of public policy. Cruz, from what we know now, qualifies. With four years in elected office by January 2017, he’ll be in a similar boat with Barack Obama (who, granted, had held lower office as well) and Mitt Romney (who at least had four full years before his campaign began). And while Cruz surely is planted at an edge of the Republican mainstream, I don’t see any reason, so far, to believe he’s close to falling off that edge. Whether or not Yeselson is correct that Cruz is a particularly strong candidate, it’s certainly very possible to see him nominated.

But what about the general election? Could he actually win?

What I hear from many liberals about Cruz’s chances are two things. One is just disbelief: Republicans wouldn’t really do something like nominate Cruz, would they? The key is that Ted Cruz isn’t Herman Cain or even Michele Bachmann; he’s a United States senator, and that counts for something (that is, conventional credentials count for something) in presidential elections. So, yes, they really could do something like that.

The other thing I hear, however, is perhaps even more wrong. Some liberals react by actively rooting for Cruz. The theory? The nuttier the nominee, the worse the chances of Republicans retaking the White House. Indeed, in conversation I’ve heard all sorts of justifications: Cruz couldn’t possibly win Florida! Therefore, he couldn’t win the White House!

Don’t listen to it.

The smart money play for liberals remains to root, in the Republican primary, for whichever candidate would make the best – or perhaps the least-worst – president.

The bottom line is that candidates just don’t matter all that much in presidential elections. Yes, a reputation for ideological extremism hurts, but it appears to hurt maybe 2 or 3 percentage points. Yes, George McGovern and Barry Goldwater had reputations for ideological extremism and were buried, but in both cases it was by a popular president during good times. Ronald Reagan wasn’t slowed much (although, still, some) by his conservative image. Don’t get me wrong: There’s no evidence for the opposite theory, that avoiding the squishy center (in either direction) will magically produce an avalanche of new voters who otherwise would have stayed home. Going moderate is better. It just isn’t all that much better.

Now, on top of that, it’s an open question whether Cruz would really wind up with a reputation as more of a fringe figure than any other plausible nominee. For one thing, the Republican nomination process may bring out inflamed rhetoric, but it’s also likely to create converging policy views among the candidates. Indeed, it’s not impossible to imagine a scenario in which Cruz wins the nomination as the hero of conservatives, which then leaves him far more free to pivot to the center in the general election race than a less trusted candidate might have. Granted, the other possibility is very real as well – Cruz spends the nomination fight solidifying his conservative reputation, and then finds it sticks with him no matter what he does later. And it’s worth noting that Mitt Romney’s reputation as relatively moderate managed to survive everything he did in in the entire 2012 election cycle.

The bottom line, however, is that Ted Cruz is unlikely to drop more than a couple points to the Democratic nominee. And that’s not likely to swing the election. Could it? Sure; even a small bump would have sunk the Republicans in 2000, for example. But most elections aren’t narrow enough for a couple of points to make a difference.

The only exception to this would be for someone who doesn’t even have conventional credentials. Nominate Cain or Bachmann, and it’s not difficult to believe that the penalty would be very large. There’s no way of knowing, however, because no one like that ever gets nominated. So, sure, root for them, but it ain’t gonna happen.

So what it all comes down to is if you really believe that Cruz is more dangerous as president than Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie or the rest of the likely field, then you most definitely don’t want him in place just in case 2016 turns out to be a good year for Republicans.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; cruz2016; hillary2016
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To: Sirius Lee

Question - who did you support in 2012?


101 posted on 07/21/2013 6:34:18 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Question - who did you support in 2012?

Palin, but she didn't run. Then Cain, then Gingrich, and then I was going to vote for Virgil Goode, even canvassed for him, but held my nose in the voting booth and pulled for the squish from Massholechussetts.

102 posted on 07/21/2013 6:37:59 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee

“then Gingrich”

So not only did you deprive us of a conservative nominee in 2012, you want to strip away a conservative senator.

Sorry, sir. We’ve seen this show before.


103 posted on 07/21/2013 6:39:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
So not only did you deprive us of a conservative nominee in 2012, you want to strip away a conservative senator.

I'm pretty sure that even the owner of this site was pulling for Gingrich by the time the CT primary was taking place. vs what? Mittens? Santorium? Ron Paul?

Yeah, GFY.

104 posted on 07/21/2013 6:44:28 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: nickcarraway
Ted Cruz could would beat Hillary

Fixed the headline... Salon, however, I can not fix.

105 posted on 07/21/2013 7:28:40 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: faucetman
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There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects.

He is NOT eligible. What part of Canada don’t you understand?


Correcto. His "prospects" are nil, zero. He is Article II ineligible.

Note to self: See how liberals and Progs (Stalinists) amend the Constitution, by ignoring it?

106 posted on 07/21/2013 11:19:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Sirius Lee
Cruz is NBC.

No, sorry, he isn't. And if you think he is, just go ahead and nominate him -- and the Moonbat troll that wrote this article will be happy to inform you until you scream that, notwithstanding anything the Moonbat or any Moonbat may have said previously about the subject of Article II eligibility in the past, Ted Cruz is ineligible, sorry, you lose.

And never mind the massive, staggering hypocrisy. They can swallow that, too, no sweat.

107 posted on 07/21/2013 11:29:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Sirius Lee

‘Santorium’

What’s that, Liberaltarian? Timmy fell down a well?


108 posted on 07/22/2013 3:00:43 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Sirius Lee
And yet Congress had to pass a law saying that McCain was NBC

Got a link for that?

109 posted on 07/22/2013 3:11:16 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: faucetman
He is NOT eligible. What part of Canada don’t you understand?

Tell us how you will handle it if he ends up on the ballot and the choice is between him and Hillary or another Freedom destroyer....

Enquiring minds want to know.

110 posted on 07/22/2013 3:29:43 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SC_Pete
Cruz is qualfied to be a US senator. He is not qualified under Art II sec 1 Clause 5 as a natural born citizen. You have to have two citizen parents AT BIRTH not one who aspires to be one in the future. I concede that if Obama is not removed because of his ineligibility than that provision of the USC will be rendered moot. I wish Cruz WAS eligible because he is a pretty reliable conservative. But I am a constitutionalist before I will yeild to any cult of personality

Two things, one positive and the other negative. On the plus side, Cruz could constantly throw it in the medias face when ever they challenge his eligibility - "You didn't seem to mind when your guy was in the same situation, WHY? What made you change your mind on this issue?" On the negative, the RATS are good at this part. They would wait until after CRUZ wins the primary with about 6 months from the election, they would move to remove Obama from office based on his citizenship. That way it takes up the entire news cycle and gives the RATS a talking point that the low information voter will put into long term memory, thus making it easy for them to vote RAT again. If the right wants to win any presidential election from here on out, they have to be on the offensive about 80% of the time. They need to quit letting the left dictate the issues, because we all see what happens - we get Baracked, twice. When they go on the defensive, repeat what the left is claiming, the state the reality over and over. Show the lies of the left, it will get air time because it is obvious that the media does not proofread their news.

111 posted on 07/22/2013 5:09:58 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: Cyclone59

There is two things about Cruz I hope everyone will focus on, and keep in mind:

Regardless of whether Cruz will be eventually held eligible (I tend to think so, but am unsure) he is for sure conservative, and he is Hispanic.

That in itself is a very strong reason to support him.

He is also though, likely to be contentious.

I believe he would be a better VP choice in 2016, and then let the nomination hoopla be straightened out.

From my view Palin would be a good Presidential candidate this time.

Just my .02.


112 posted on 07/22/2013 5:20:54 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Old Yeller

Bump.


113 posted on 07/22/2013 5:31:13 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"Apparently the US annexed Canada. Who knew?"

If the SCOTUS agrees that Cruz can run because of his mother, than it will be Cruz's mother who annexed Canada!

114 posted on 07/22/2013 7:17:50 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

Right, and that’s the way we play. Sorry. Some of us believe in following rules.


115 posted on 07/22/2013 9:05:45 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

And what rules did he break?


116 posted on 07/23/2013 5:41:49 AM PDT by celmak
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To: nickcarraway
Ted Cruz could beat Hillary

I would pay to watch that.

117 posted on 07/23/2013 5:43:16 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: celmak

The constitution? Are you saying you’d rather be governed by anyone other than an American?


118 posted on 07/24/2013 12:15:55 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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