I agree it is not his place to judge but he can remove them to keep their open perversion from a leadership role in the church.
re: -Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church’s position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not.
“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?”
-His remarks on gay people are being seen as much more conciliatory than his predecessor’s position on the issue.
“The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well, it says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society.”
“The problem is not having this orientation,” he said. “We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem.”
Ok, I’ll say up-front that I am not Catholic, but so far I’ve appreciated Pope Francis’s strong stand on Christian doctrine and his living a consistent, Christ-like witness before the world.
I also know that the media can frame quotes in a way that does not say what the original speaker ever meant to say.
With all that in mind, and giving Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt, but, assuming these quotes are accurate, I’m very confused as to what he means by, “. . .they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society”?
And, “. . .The problem is not having this orientation, we must be brothers”?
When he says “who am I to judge” in regard to gays, I understand that he may be talking about “judging” in the sense of condemning someone to hell and how that is NOT our concern - only God knows the hearts of people well enough to make that kind of judgement. But, if Pope Francis is simply saying that we cannot “judge” others acts as being wrong or right - THAT is a misunderstanding of Jesus’ words that we are not to judge.
Anyway, I pray that Pope Francis is not equivocating on the clear teachings of the Bible in regard to homosexuality.
And so mow the Catholic church has come out, and confessed that they are not based on the word of God, but that they are in actuality, a social club.
The emergent and mega churches and the Catholic church are really churches of idol worship and humanism.
Reading in the book of John, where Jesus is talking to some Jews and telling they they are like their Father, the King of Lies, and I am thinking that is a timely message for me.
If it isn’t based on God’s truth and God’s word- it is a lie. Praying for all Catholic believers, that they will wake up.
See article at post #41.
Christ died for us while we were yet in our sins. He made the first move, so that sinners could turn to Him, repent and accept Him as Savior. So yes, homosexuals can repent and accept Christ. Once they do, the Holy Spirit will dwell in them and teach them more fully right from wrong.
And it is true, the Pope will not judge homosexuals. God will.
I agree with those who have said let’s wait to see what the Pope really said. There are a lot of ways an evil press can twist the above concepts.
Update in post #41.
And so, the capitulation begins. Always small, but the first leak in the dam is small, too.
Cant be forgiven for a sin unless you admit that it`s a sin, ask forgiveness, and turn from it.
Also for a Christian to believe that they are “gay” means that they are listening to a lie from the devil, and at the very least are not equipped to be a Priest, Pastor or even anybody to be looked up to
Did I mention that homosexuality is a abomination?
“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?” the pope said.”
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Pope Francis has said gay people should not be judged or marginalised.
'Gay' people ... not their sinful actions.
"If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?"
Merely saying that he'll leave the judgment of the person to God.
"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well," Pope Francis said ... "It says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society."
But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gay people.
"The problem is not having this orientation," he said. "We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem."
That’s not the way it is being reported in the Spanish language media. The way it is being reported is that he was ambushed with a question about gays in general, not gay priests, and simply replied that if a gay person is a someone of faith, who is he to judge. That’s it.
His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.
I'm not going to assume anything.
Well if you are celibate “What difference does it make”?
‘Church changing big time,’ says Cardinal Dolan
Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:40:31 PM · 11 of 41
Dr. Thorne to NYer
The next Pope will be the Catholic Obama. He will:
- claim he is all things to all people
- be seen as a great uniter
- be seen as a necessary change agent
- elicit the kind of worship seen among Obama adorers.
He will have a worldwide honeymoon of six months media adoration after which he will begin his real work of turning Catholicism into the religious equivalent of Progressivism. Then, he will:
- soften the church's stance on abortion (Not yet)
- embrace homosexual marriage (This is the beginning)
- endorse the redistribution of wealth (His constant trumpeting of concern for the poor is setting the stage for this)
- decry all military action (Coming Soon!)
- loudly proclaim ecumenism as the road to world peace. (This is the Catholic solution to all the world's ills)
He will be a lamb who speaks like a dragon.
Clay feet comes to mind for me.
“”If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis asked. “
Wow! A Methodist/Presbyterian Pope!
I think we should wait for more clarification by the Pope. There’s something odd about this quote, I think.
The full interview is a little more nuanced.
My take... a homosexual’s sins are just as forgivable as mine as a heterosexual.
He went on to compare being a member of a ‘gay lobby’ and being a member of a ‘Masonic lobby.’
Being a member of a Mason group calls for automatic excommunication.
To the MSM, this translates into "The Catholic Church changes views on homosexuality". In reality, nothing has changed. Fornication is still considered a sin ... gay or straight. That will never change. The key words in the pope's comment are "and he searches for the Lord and has good will". This sounds as if he's talking about repentant gays searching to do God's will instead of their own.