Posted on 07/30/2013 5:03:16 PM PDT by neverdem
You are missing 7....
Could you repeat that table as a separate thread? Call it Keepers of State ping lists. Thank you!
Thanks for the ping!
The SF Bay Area is jam-packed except for the hill- and mountain-sides surrounding the Bay. They are generally off-limits as open space. Most new housing is built 40 - 70 miles away.
Even has a Wiener.
AX? I was thinking ground into powder and thrown in the ocean.
An astute student of history and human nature, Thomas Jefferson, predicted what we see happening here in America. While a strong case can be made that the French aristocracy brought it upon themselves, as ambassador in France, he witnessed the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.
He also knew where the bulk of the problem would originate.
That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.
(A 6 minute video with this information may be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypLu49pq3bI)
As I understand it, at the time of the drafting of the Declaration, Mr. Jefferson originally wrote “…Life, Liberty and PROPERTY…” (meaning that one’s right to freely acquire, use and dispose of his property – to the extent doing so did not violate the same to others – was a Creator endowed right. Because slavery viewed humans as property, the phrase “Pursuit of Happiness” was adopted instead to avoid – at least for the time being — the inevitable debate on that subject.
“The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” —Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230
“I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442
“I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice.” —Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173
“Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation.” —Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304
“Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401
“An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe.” —Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402
“I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England.” —Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120
It’s a very interesting frog-boiling experiment. The current Democratic super-majority in California is heavily dependent upon rich Democrats who get to have their cake and eat it too: abortion, gay rights, environmentalism, and feel-good welfare etc. for the downtrodden, while their own lifestyle and net worth are left substantially intact, even after taxes on the “rich.”
At some point, the government dependents (welfare, public employees) and the nihilistic radical wreckers simply won’t be able to respect those boundaries — the affordable housing will be slammed into their school districts and the taxes will make private school tuition out of reach, the zoning will put the traffic in their back yard, the regulations or the affirmative action mandates will put their jobs in jeopardy ... what then?
They’ll either give up (and California will become Detroit) or they’ll fight back. Wonder which...
Regionalism is being pushed everywhere and has been for decades.
I first heard about it as a teenager in the days of “Tricky Dick” Nixon.
The political elites of both parties and the business elite push it.
Its easier to do business when one government exists over an entire region.
There is a movement of Section 8 housing, bad mortgage loans and the people (Democrat voters) etc. associated with that into the suburban subdivisions.
This has been going on regardless of who was president over the recent decade although more recently the Obama crowd has been continuing the process with more vigor.
A prototype in the San Francisco area was ABAG, Association of Bay Area Governments formed in 1961.
The political elites of both parties and the business elite push it.
One stop shopping for the big guys.
There is a movement of Section 8 housing, bad mortgage loans and the people (Democrat voters) etc. associated with that into the suburban subdivisions.
As pushed during the Clinton years.
This has been going on regardless of who was president over the recent decade although more recently the Obama crowd has been continuing the process with more vigor.
Seeing as GHWB signed the Agenda 21 (on Prince Charles' yacht), that would be obvious.
I am a County Supervisor in Mohave County in rural northwest Arizona. Want to hear what we’re fighting out here? WOLVES. They want to put Mexican gray wolves 40 miles north of our most populous city. It’s insane. We fight the Federal government everyday. You know why we are having so many fires here? Federal government land mismanagement. It’s as simple as that.
And what makes you think you will be welcomed there? Not being a wise a$$, just wondering about the mind set.
BUSING writ large.
I'll show YOU who's a Boffer - you BUDDHAHEAD!!
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