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A Republican Case for Climate Action
NY Times ^ | August 1, 2013 | WILLIAM D. RUCKELSHAUS, LEE M. THOMAS, WILLIAM K. REILLY and CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN

Posted on 08/04/2013 12:21:41 AM PDT by iowamark

EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally.

There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.

The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous. And the window of time remaining to act is growing smaller: delay could mean that warming becomes “locked in.”

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington. Dealing with this political reality, President Obama’s June climate action plan lays out achievable actions that would deliver real progress. He will use his executive powers to require reductions in the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the nation’s power plants and spur increased investment in clean energy technology, which is inarguably the path we must follow to ensure a strong economy along with a livable climate.

The president also plans to use his regulatory power to limit the powerful warming chemicals known as hydrofluorocarbons and encourage the United States to join with other nations to amend the Montreal Protocol to phase out these chemicals. The landmark international treaty, which took effect in 1989, already has been hugely successful in solving the ozone problem.

Rather than argue against his proposals, our leaders in Congress should endorse them...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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The writers are former administrators of the Environmental Protection Agency: William D. Ruckelshaus, from its founding in 1970 to 1973, and again from 1983 to 1985; Lee M. Thomas, from 1985 to 1989; William K. Reilly, from 1989 to 1993; and Christine Todd Whitman, from 2001 to 2003.

Be sure to read the comments at the link.

1 posted on 08/04/2013 12:21:41 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

The concept that the Earth will only heat up or cool off...if humans are involved....is the silliest notion that anyone could ever put up on a board and try to explain to an audience.

These dimwits should be more worried about the fact that the sun is not infinite in nature....and will one day...burn-out.


2 posted on 08/04/2013 12:25:02 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: iowamark
This issue is moot anyway.

There is no money for any remedies, its laughable how they continue to pile on economic burdens.

When the economy comes crashing down, even the liberals will be more concerned about food than warming BS.

3 posted on 08/04/2013 12:27:30 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: iowamark
The comments on the NY Times piece seem to be running 50/50.

These global warming fruitcakes are dumber than a bag of hammers.

4 posted on 08/04/2013 12:37:40 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: iowamark
The only uncertainty about our warming world is how bad the changes will get, and how soon. What is most clear is that there is no time to waste. The costs of inaction are undeniable. The lines of scientific evidence grow only stronger and more numerous. And the window of time remaining to act is growing smaller: delay could mean that warming becomes “locked in.”

From: New York Times: A Republican Case for Climate Action (August 1, 2013)
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Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve... The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

From: Newsweek: The Cooling World (April 28, 1975)
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Meet the new scumbag scam artists - - same as the old scumbag scam artists.

5 posted on 08/04/2013 1:02:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: iowamark
Any one who tells you that the only way to solve a problem is to send them more money is full of you-know-what.
6 posted on 08/04/2013 1:17:25 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: iowamark
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.

Wow. A whole pack of lies in the New York Times. How unusual.

7 posted on 08/04/2013 1:28:45 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: iowamark

The Navier Stokes equations describe fluid flow with changes in temperature and density. They are non-linear, chaotic, with sensitive dependence on initial conditions.

No finite set of past states is sufficient to make a non-trivial prediction of future states.

This has been known since the 1963 paper by Edward Lorenz
“Deterministic Nonperiodic Flow”.

To the extent that Anthropogenic Global Warming depends on predicting the future temperatures of the atmosphere in a distant future, to that extent it is a hoax.


8 posted on 08/04/2013 1:28:45 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Or basically there is just too much stuff going on for any modeling process we know of to keep tab of it. I agree. It’s Chicken Littling.


9 posted on 08/04/2013 1:30:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: iowamark

Global Warming Is A Myth
http://iceagenow.info/category/global-warming-is-a-myth/




10 posted on 08/04/2013 1:30:55 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: donmeaker

I mean AGW is Chicken Littling.


11 posted on 08/04/2013 1:31:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: iowamark

Yes, the climate surrounding the Republicans is bad. We need to replace them with more efficient models.


12 posted on 08/04/2013 1:35:54 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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13 posted on 08/04/2013 1:36:40 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: Standing Wolf

Especially about the “hottest” part... it’s like the urban heat island phenomenon with respect to temperature data has not reached these folks’ ears?

By only focusing on a few isolated hobby horses in near vacuums (how’s that for mixing a metaphor), the AGW folks have managed to fool both themselves (I believe) as well as definitely fooling others.


14 posted on 08/04/2013 1:38:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: iowamark
WILLIAM D. RUCKELSHAUS ... WILLIAM D. RUCKELSHAUS

Senility is a terrible disease.

15 posted on 08/04/2013 1:41:46 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The effects in one region can be measured at one time, but may have greater effect, less effect or reversed effect in another region at a different time.

That is why prediction is not possible.

Consider Carbon Dioxide: it may increase trapping of the sun’s radiation, causing heating, but the heating increases radiation, causing cooling. Higher carbon dioxide concentrations causes increased plant growth rates, causing cooling, but feeds back to cause lower carbon dioxide concentration causing slower plant growth rates....

No finite set of data can be sufficient.

Trivial predictions are like this: The temperature is now 90 degrees F. The temperature one second from now will be close to 90 degrees F.


16 posted on 08/04/2013 1:44:59 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Yep... too much stuff going on and at levels lower than the kind of high level data we have can keep track of. If I may use the expression here, “God only knows” what the result will be. Kind of like your proverbial sock except this time both socks are wearing through.


17 posted on 08/04/2013 1:49:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: iowamark
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm

A flat out lie.

18 posted on 08/04/2013 1:49:35 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I’d call them scumbags, but then I’d have to apologize to bags filled with scum.
————Dennis Miller


19 posted on 08/04/2013 1:50:43 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: piytar

And like where did they stick the thermometer... the air has thickness ya know not just latitude and longitude.


20 posted on 08/04/2013 1:51:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: cynwoody
Senility is a terrible disease.

Ruckelhaus's name isn't the only dupe they added to this screed. Christie Todd Whitman and most of the rest are pretty much at that "soiling themselves" age, too. No, there was likely one author behind this nonsense. Adding all the names was just a gimmick. The multi-trillion-dollar forever "carbon tax" is what it's all about, the ultimate goal. It's about the money. That's all this scam was ever about. It's always about the money.

21 posted on 08/04/2013 1:56:27 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: pepsionice
The concept that the Earth will only heat up or cool off...if humans are involved....is the silliest notion...

Charlton Heston said it best

22 posted on 08/04/2013 2:01:00 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men)
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To: Lancey Howard
No, there was likely one author behind this nonsense. Adding all the names was just a gimmick.

Yes, likely one true author artfully preying upon the desire of has-beens to stay relevant.

23 posted on 08/04/2013 2:03:59 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: iowamark
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records

Well, that isn't credible. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050902/posts

24 posted on 08/04/2013 2:26:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: iowamark

Each time I see something like this, my first question is “name one Island that has disappeared from rising sea levels”
Just another asinine revenue opportunity and legalized theft activity


25 posted on 08/04/2013 2:33:56 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Artie

There are geographic features in the world where the ocean covered up what was above-surface geological formations. I don’t remember the name but a few days ago Bing’s home page showed an underwater cavern that arose in this manner. It wasn’t that terribly long ago on a geological time scale, a few hundred thousand years I think.


26 posted on 08/04/2013 2:39:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: iowamark
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.

I just re-read "State of Fear" and it occurred to me: Michael Crichton was assassinated. He died too young.

In a really gripping fictional story, he wrote truth with footnoted sources to prove and expose that blatant fraud of environmentalist climate claims. Every American grade school kid should have State of Fear in required reading. And tell them: It's by the same guy who wrote "Jurassic Park."

The global warming fraud could only take hold over ignorant, passive saps. Like primitives who believed it when British explores with almanacs "called down" an eclipse of the sun. The mechanisms that move the earth are so far beyond us that we have only even existed for a nanosecond in relative time.

Climate records of 100 years, or even 500 years -- or even 50,000 years -- are so minute in the actual scale that it's ludicrous to even think our lifespans, or 500 of our lifespans, would be enough to detect a significant change. All you have to do is to look at the spikes in a graph chart and zero-in on a timespan of, say, 1,000 years (a speck on the chart), to see how insane it is to presume to even predict, let alone manipulate, climate and weather.

27 posted on 08/04/2013 2:53:42 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: donmeaker
Trivial predictions are like this: The temperature is now 90 degrees F. The temperature one second from now will be close to 90 degrees F.

Yep. And in our lives, in our time-mass scale, 10,000 years is one second from now.

28 posted on 08/04/2013 3:09:11 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Lancey Howard

An excellent contrast.


29 posted on 08/04/2013 3:13:24 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: iowamark

We can save the Earth in 100 years by lowering temps by 0.0001 degree for only $300 TRILLION.... is that too much to ask?

lolz


30 posted on 08/04/2013 3:13:34 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: iowamark

A tax is a market-based approach....

hahahahahahahahahaha

these people are stupid


31 posted on 08/04/2013 3:14:12 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: iowamark

Surely, this is the warmists’ last gasp. They have dragged these political hacks out of retirement to coauthor (or cosign) an opinion piece saying we have to act NOW!

The panic which is setting in among the AGW crowd is palpable. Their grants are going to dry up. There has been no warming for more than 15 years despite increasing CO2. Western economies are burdened with huge debts, and a lot them are suffering with high unemployment. Politicians now have other priorities besides global warming. Public opinion polls are showing global warming to be of little interest to the public. The game is up. The joy ride has come to an end.

This opinion piece was probably ghost written by one of the AGW crowd. Someone with influence in the cocktail set in D.C. rounded up these old EPA heads and got them to sign their names to it. One thing for sure: being head of the EPA does not qualify you to speak on any scientific topic whatsoever. You got there for political reasons, you are a political animal, and your motives are always suspect.


32 posted on 08/04/2013 3:17:27 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: pepsionice

They AREN,T dimwits; they’re political whores. They’ve sold themselves to The New World Order. There are some mind-boggling stupid statements in that article; such as, “the deep oceans are warming faster than the atmosphere.” IF that is truly happening, it MUST be coming from increased volcanic activity on the ocean floor, which would be caused by plate techtonics.....continental drift. And, pray tell; how is my swtching to an electric pretend car going to stop CONTINENTAL DRIFT?! Not only are these people conscience-less lying frauds, they’re apparently dumber than a box of rocks....or think WE are!


33 posted on 08/04/2013 3:21:46 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

They do think we are stupid, they are obviously part of some cabal that benefits from keeping everyone else poor.


34 posted on 08/04/2013 3:28:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: iowamark

” And despite critics’ warnings, our economy has continued to grow. “

That’s in there. Um, no it hasn’t really morons. At a snail’s pace at best.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 3:31:32 AM PDT by Monty22002
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To: iowamark

While we are starving and freezing to death living in the reeducation camps I am sure to be worrying about global warming


36 posted on 08/04/2013 3:33:46 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: iowamark
“Mr. Obama’s plan is just a start. More will be required. But we must continue efforts to reduce the climate-altering pollutants that threaten our planet. The only uncertainty about our warming world is how bad the changes will get, and how soon. What is most clear is that there is no time to waste.”

It is obvious that none of these people wrote the article. It would be interesting to find out who wrote the article and how these Republicans were persuaded to put their names on it.

Things are a lot worse and a lot more corrupt than most people realize.

37 posted on 08/04/2013 3:36:13 AM PDT by detective
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To: meadsjn

One of the many great global scams


38 posted on 08/04/2013 3:41:42 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Tucker39

http://www.eluniversal.com/economia/130729/venezuela-the-only-country-where-inflation-lashes-the-poor-the-most

Inflation hurts the poor, how shocking.


39 posted on 08/04/2013 3:50:56 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: iowamark

Wait, I just read a thread right above this one that says that the North Pole has seen unprecedented July cold and the arctic it’s shortest summer on record. So, what is it? Wait, I know. It’s getting colder! Not global warming but climate change! Yea, that’s the ticket. Sheesh!


40 posted on 08/04/2013 3:58:02 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: ronnie raygun

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


41 posted on 08/04/2013 3:59:26 AM PDT by abclily
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To: iowamark
The writers may title this "A Republican Case for Climate Action" but it is a smokescreen for liberal activism.

William D. Ruckelshaus is a liberal Republican with a history of wacko environmentalist activism.

Mark Levin, in a segment I like to call "Rachel Carson, DDT, and the Environmentalists" from his 17Dec09 radio show described William D. Ruckelshaus as a liberal Republican when he cited William D. Ruckelshaus' contribution to the banning of DDT:

Mark: Rachel Carson wrote this book and she makes all these claims and she misuses statistics. It was seized upon by the Sierra Club and other nascent left-wing environmental groups. They had gotten their birth earlier but this was their big moment. An administrative law judge at the new EPA at this time in the early 1970s read all the evidence and listened to all the arguments for months, and he concluded unequivocally that DDT was not the cause of death of birds, or mammals or the thinning of egg shells, and that DDT posed no danger to children when used in the way that it had been regulated - and as a matter of fact the reason we don't have DDT in the United States, is, as an example. in some of our cities the schools at recess when the kids were outside playing DDT was sprayed from helicopter. There used to be malaria in the US and Canada but there isn't anymore. The same thing in other countries that used DDT.

Our GIs during WWII fighting in the jungles would slather their bodies and uniforms with DDT.

What happened was that the political appointee at the head of the EPA, the administrator William D. Ruckelshaus (a liberal Republican as a matter of fact) over-ruled the administrative law judge, without hearing any of the evidence, so that in the US DDT was made so expensive as to essentially ban the production of it.

European countries followed suit. This meant that the poorest of poor countries in Africa and Southeast Asia which have huge problems with malaria and other mosquito and insect borne diseases did not benefit from DDT as the developed countries had, but instead were given nets, etc., which weren't effective in any significant way and as a result literally millions and millions of poor kids in Africa and Southeast Asia and other parts of the world have died from malaria because we stopped producing and shipping DDT. Only in recent years has it been realized what a disaster this is.

The Sierra Club, however still won't admit it, and the Sierra Club is still treated as a magnificent organization whose members are sought for "expert" testimony on TV and all the rest.

Do you think these environmentalist groups give a damn about the consequences of imposing these outrageous cap-and-trade rules on this nation when they didn't give a damn what they did to those little kids in Africa and Southeast Asia? Do you think they give a damn if they destroy our economy, putting tens of millions out of work, that people are cold in winter and hot in the summer because they can't get the energy they need because of a cap and trade. These same people and their offspring are right now in Copenhagen, in the EPA, some are members of congress, some in the White House trying to impose these crazy ideas on us which do what? --- spread death and misery and poverty.

See Liberty and Tyranny chapter "On Enviro-Statism".

42 posted on 08/04/2013 4:03:13 AM PDT by Amagi (Buying "Green" means purchasing inferior quality at increased cost.)
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To: iowamark

Republican scum, bought and paid for.


43 posted on 08/04/2013 4:13:35 AM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Tucker39
“the deep oceans are warming faster than the atmosphere.” IF that is truly happening, it MUST be coming from increased volcanic activity on the ocean floor, which would be caused by plate techtonics.....continental drift

The entire heat flux from the core of the earth is about 10,000 times less than the heat captured from the sun. It is trivial. Their wording gives them away, they say the "deep oceans are warming faster than the atmosphere". There is certainly some measurement evidence that the deep oceans (below 700m) are warming, however there is insufficient data for the rate of warming. Not only that, but the measurement system is very new and may be measuring a natural cycle (lots of La Nina in the last decade).

When they make statements like that they have been infected with a particular piece of propaganda that I am very familiar with, namely a single alarmist model that "shows" that the deep oceans are warming. The bottom line with this climate model is that it starts with the assumption that deep oceans are warming. It is circular.

44 posted on 08/04/2013 4:14:08 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: mc5cents
arctic it’s shortest summer on record

Not the shortest, since it is not over (I addressed that on that thread). However it is one of the coldest summers on record, mainly in the ocean areas, mainly due to increased clouds. The theory of Arctic warming amplification says that there should be fewer clouds (high pressure rather than low pressure). But this summer reality trumps theory. In the long run reality (weather) will trump theory (minor warming from CO2).

45 posted on 08/04/2013 4:17:32 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: iowamark
EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally.

There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.

Heads of agencies are political appointees, with or without a little actual expertise in the subject matter. So, when a political hack claims that there is no longer any credible scientific debate, they are making a pretty strong assertion without an iota of supporting evidence.

The EPA has served its purpose and needs to be reduced in size by about 90%, with or without political hacks of either party in place.

There is climate change of course, but mankind has nothing to do with it. The Earth has been experiencing a cooling trend since 1998. The North Pole just experienced the coldest summer on record.

46 posted on 08/04/2013 4:22:54 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: detective
It is obvious that none of these people wrote the article.

It is a list of the usual alarmist propaganda that originates from a well funded machine including about a dozen large organizations designed specifically to propagandize children, idiots and politicians.

47 posted on 08/04/2013 4:23:10 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: olezip
The Earth has been experiencing a cooling trend since 1998

Warming about 0.1C per decade since that timeframe, see http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/ To start exactly at 1998 to derive a trend is pretty much the definition of cherry picking.

48 posted on 08/04/2013 4:25:43 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer
Warming about 0.1C per decade since that timeframe, see http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/ To start exactly at 1998 to derive a trend is pretty much the definition of cherry picking.

Good link! I stand corrected. But is has been pretty cool outside this week.

49 posted on 08/04/2013 4:32:30 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: olezip
Well if you are in the middle or eastern US we have been blessed with a cool low pressure system up in eastern Canada that has been more powerful than the Bermuda high. See the 10 day forecast loop here: http://weather.unisys.com/gfs/gfs.php?inv=0&plot=850&region=us&t=l Whenever the 90's air makes a run for us here in VIrginia, another batch of cool air comes to the rescue.
50 posted on 08/04/2013 4:46:05 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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