Sure you have...
Posted on 08/21/2013 8:40:51 AM PDT by Lakeshark
“I don’t need to. I was there and went to school.”
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Well, that’s just silly. Your personal claim about what you learned in school, even if you are remembering it and relating it correctly, tells us nothing about “what most children were taught.” That’s why it would be helpful to find some old textbooks or other sources to confirm that what you think you remember was actually the prevailing view at the time.
You’ve made a general assertion and have provided nothing but personal anecdotal evidence to back it up. If you want to say it’s my responsibility to disprove what you said, knock yourself out.
But logic like that seldom impresses anyone. People know how to recognize unsupported claims.
Have you found any evidence from a “reliable source” of anyone who has renounced their U.S. Citizenship and is currently living in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen? An Oath of Renunciation submitted to the U.S Secretary of State is not publicly available. Any Oath of Renunciation may have been filled out and published by a renunciant, but that is not proof it was submitted to the U.S. State Department.
An Oath of Renunciation is a request for the U.S. Secretary of State to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. The issuance of a Certificate of Loss of Nationality is discretionary and governed by a policy dictated by the current administration. Consequently, an administration in 2013 may have a policy that did not exist in 1966.
Request for termination of U.S. Citizenship on logged into the State Department’s CLASS system (Consular Lookout and Support System). Entries into the CLASS system are proprietary and not available to the general public.
As soon as the State Department puts their CLASS system on the net, you’ll have proof Obama was issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Until then, you have to be a State Department employee or contractor with access to the CLASS system or know somebody who has access to obtain proof.
Okay, well, that was 3-1/2 years ago. On the matter of "natural born citizen," I am now. I've been through "natural born citizen" graduate school since then.
You, in the meantime, do not seem to have improved your knowledge and understanding a bit.
“An Oath of Renunciation submitted to the U.S Secretary of State is not publicly available.”
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So you are acknowledging that you’ve got absolutely no evidence that such a document exists. The existence of the document is entirely of your own invention.
But I find it interesting that you are referencing the State Department as a possible source of information on this question.
Are you aware that the State Department, in a court filing, has stated, “To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.”?
(Strunk v. Dept. of State, Defendants’ Answer to Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint, ¶ 55 and elsewhere)
So, you’ve got not a drop of evidence that the President renounced his citizenship, and there is an assertion by the State Department that he did not.
“hundreds of FReepers have made that statement here”
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Is that right? I don’t recall hundreds, but I know many have claimed that they were taught in school that two citizen parents were required for NBCship even for those born here. I don’t recall many saying that there’s no natural born citizenship for those born of U.S. parents abroad, like John McCain.
There’s absolutely no support in any of the links I gave you for the two-citizen-parent requirement, is there? So it appears that your only claim here is that under no circumstances is anyone born abroad a natural born citizen.
Am I reading you correctly? Is it your position that most schoolchildren were taught that anyone born here is an NBC regardless of parentage, and no one born abroad is?
12 “Birther” stories in 2 days? That’s 11 more than they’ve posted on the Kenyan interloper in 7 YEARS!
I’m acknowledging I have not presented my evidence to the public because I am a rebuttal witness. Rebuttal witness testify and present evidence on the day of trial after the custodian of the record testifies the evidence cannot be found or does not exist.
For all you know, the legal representative examined Obama’s short form COLB and decided to end an investigation because he/she believes NBC status is held in perpetuity after place of birth is established. If the case had gone to discovery, the plaintiff could have subpoenaed the State Department’s CLASS records with regard to Obama and his mother. His CLASS records will show if was issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality or not.
If the State Department denied Obama’s CLASS records exists or cannot be found during discovery, then I can testify as a rebuttal witness as to Obama being issued a Certificate of Naturalization in 1983. Rebuttal witnesses do not publish their evidence before trial because it gives the defendant time and opportunity to obstruct justice.
“The Presidency and Vice-Presidency are the only offices with the gift of the American people which foreign-born citizens are prohibited from filling.”
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You’re ducking my question, but you’ve given me a hint.
Am I right — you do feel that anyone born abroad, like McCain, is ineligible?
And do you agree that none of the sources claim that two citizen parents are required for those born here?
How about a couple of direct answers?
“I’m acknowledging I have not presented my evidence to the public because I am a rebuttal witness”
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LOL, I got it. You have concrete evidence of the President’s having executed an Oath of Renunciation — even though no one else has so much has mentioned it and the State Department is on record to the contrary — but you’re saving it for the right moment. You know, the moment when you’re called as a “rebuttal witness”.
And you have a secret plan to end the war.
“Not a single answer from you, yet.”
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I think John McCain was eligible.
What do you think?
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