Skip to comments.The downing of Flight 007: 30 years later, a Cold War tragedy still seems surreal
Posted on 08/31/2013 6:24:05 AM PDT by cunning_fish
(CNN) -- The idea that Soviet fighter jets would shoot down a Boeing 747 airliner seems shockingly unbelievable. Two-hundred sixty-nine innocent people died in a largely forgotten Cold War attack that took place exactly 30 years ago this weekend.
On a sultry August night in 1983 at New York's JFK airport, Alice Ephraimson-Abt, a brilliant, 23-year-old, blue-eyed blonde, was about to board Korean Air Lines Flight 007 for Seoul, South Korea, halfway around the world. For one last time, she held her father, New Jersey businessman Hans Ephraimson-Abt, before saying goodbye. "There were hugs and I-love-yous," her father, now 91, told CNN.
Alice -- who was excited about heading Beijing to teach English and study -- could have been a diplomat -- a contributor to peace, her father said. "Her death was a great loss to her generation."
The ramifications of the shoot-down of Flight 007 reverberated far beyond the lives lost. It sparked global outrage, conspiracy theories and an activist movement that continues today. It also joined a list of disturbing developments that made 1983 one of the scariest years of the Cold War. Not since 1962's Cuban Missile Crisis had the world teetered so close to the unthinkable, according to declassified documents released last May.
It seemed like each month brought with it new and troubling headlines.
President Ronald Reagan, in March, said the Soviet Union amounted to an "evil empire." A few weeks later Washington announced it was working on a new space-based weapon. The press dubbed it "Star Wars."
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Remember Congressman Larry McDonald, President of the John Birch Society, who was assassinated by the shooting down of this aircraft.
McDonald only ran as a Democrat because his district was traditionally Democrat and a Repbulcian would never have a chance.
From what I understand McDonald was planning to run for President. He had a chance in 84 and would have definitely blown "ex"-CIA commander Poppy Bush out of the water in 88.
The Globalist Banksters weren't going to let that happen.
A tragedy? That's like calling the attack on Pearl Harbor a tragedy!
What? They couldn't arrange a car accident, or a "robbery gone wrong," so they had the soviets shoot down a freakin' airliner? Seriously?
I knew someone on that aircraft too, though I did not know it until a year after. It was someone I knew from church. She was going to Korea to see her parents, who were missionaries there.
Hey, the globalist banksters not only were smart enough to wait until McDonald was on a plane, but they were sneaky enough to wait for one that strayed into Soviet airspace.
“Remember Congressman Larry McDonald, President of the John Birch Society, who was assassinated by the shooting down of this aircraft.”
To me, the big untold story here was Cong Larry Patton McDonald....but...told @ certain places online...even today...!!!!!
Semper Blogging !!!!!
Who could have known one of the last surviving kamikaze pilots was working for Korean Airlines?
Yes, a telegram, it was that long ago.
I remember listening to his 'star wars' speech and having serious goosebumps and a big throat lump .. it sounded like the sincerest bid for meaningful peace in my lifetime.
It was a mass murder.
No way it was an accident.
Wikipedia: “ Former president Richard Nixon was to have been seated next to Larry McDonald on KAL 007 but decided to not go, according to the New York Post and TASS”
Wiki also says Jesse Helms was on another flight trailing it.
I was working a midnight shift at the plant and had the radio on. About 1:00 the news reported an aircraft missing. I kept up with the news every hour all night as the story progressed.
I have read that when the MIG shot the aircraft out of the air, it took fifteen minutes for the plant to hit the ocean. Fifteen minutes of terror for the passengers.
Funny you mention telegrams as my father had a telex. When KAL007 was shot down he got the news “hot off the wire”. What is not funny is that he regually flew on KAL007 for business. It shook our whole family to the core.
Delta flight 006 is called "flight six".
United Flight 084 is called "flight eighty-four".
It's only Korean 007 that we have been taught by our media to call "flight double O seven".
Could it be our media is trying to tell us something about their political opinions.
The Globalists would think of nothing of killing hundreds of people to get one man. They, through our government, are arming Al-CIA-duh to slaughter Christians and 100,000 civilians in Syria.
Senator Jesse Helms, Senator Steve Symms of Idaho and Representative Carroll Hubbard, Jr. of Kentucky, all the most anti-New World Order members of Congress, were going to Korea with McDonald but they ended up on separate flights at the last minute.
And they didn't just kill McDonald. You can bet they tortured the hell out of McDonald for information on his knowledge of anti-communist patriots throughout the world. Between Congress, the Birchers, the Western Goals Foundation, and other pro-liberty organizations McDonald was involved with he was privy to the equivalent of a clandestine intelligence network. An anti-Globalist network McDonald was going to use to get into the White House.
Or we’ve been programed by a 50 year old movie franchise to say a certain sequence of numbers a certain way.
If some shadow organization had the power to order the soviets to shoot down a civilian airliner, they also had they power to eliminate a handful of troublesome legislators through much easier methods. Helms, Symms and Hubbard were around for years after this incident.
So who did the klintons assassinate on TWA 800 ?
They tortured him after he was dead? Or did they sneak him off the plane before they shot it down?
Maybe they got the message. Like when Bush family friend Hinkley took that shot at Reagan. It didn't kill him and it didn't have to. Reagan got the message.
The plane landed. The passengers were off loaded, never to be seen again.
They didn’t shoot it down?
Or did it take off again, empty, before being shot down?
All of the passengers and crew.
It may be they just covered it up. The meme was that terrorists were what we now call bitter clingers, or potential "terrorists" if you work for DHS.
Having little problems like muslims trying to blow up the WTC, or maybe being involved with a bombing in Oklahoma, or shooting down aircraft just didn't fit the pattern--and would have caused the stovepipe of the Gorelick Memo to be hauled down--possibly exposing some of the Clinton's own nefarious deeds.
They couldn't go there.
Now, with the (dangnear) whole kit and caboodle composed of either fellow travelers or the hideously compromised, the enemies of this country have grown ever more brazen in their actions, secure in the idea that they have THE dirt on everyone who has any, the media in their pocket, and the ability to destroy careers at will if anyone gets out of line.
Which, incidentally, is why they hate the TEA Party. People without background data assembled already make them scurry for crap to sling--if they can find any.
The ranking 'pubbies are likely told to do all they can to beat such folk (unfunded, underfunded campaigns, etc.), or they might get taken down, too. My bet is McCain lost because Gov. Palin was dangerous to them all (even the 'pubbies attacked her or fed the data out to try to do so).
In 1991, Senator Helms, as Minority Leader of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, issued a report that noted: "KAL 007 probably ditched successfully, there may have been survivors, the Soviets have been lying massively, and diplomatic efforts need to be made to return the possible survivors."
I was in the crowd demonstrating outside the Soviet Embassy. A BBC guy asked me what to do next, and I told him “Embargo them right down to their last drop of Pepsi Cola.” I’m told the Beeb used that.
We still need the Strategic Defense Initiative.
Larry McDonald was one of the greatest Members of Congress of our time. We remember him.
Now, there is a Democrat I could have voted for!
That way it couldn’t be pinned as a murder of McDonald. It was just a problem with a flight on which Rep. McDonald happened to be flying. These guys are shrewd — cold-blooded and completely amoral, but shrewd.
Look at all the theories advanced in the wake of Andrew Breitbart’s untimely death.
They were on the original passenger list, however, as (from what I remember) was Rep. Phil Crane. The people who brought it down thought they had a three-fer.
Do you remember Jose Padilla, the Hispanic Islamist terrorist? Go back and look at the sketches of "John Doe #2", the person allegedly with McVeigh when he bombed the Murrah Building. The look almost exactly like the sketch of Padilla.
Could that be why the "authorities" finally tried to tell us that John Doe #2 didn't exist? Did they know who he was?
I was in Crypto school in San Angelo (after studying Russian) slated to go to Alaska when it happened. The Russians said it was supposed to be the RC-135 (the plane we would be flying in in a few short months) they shot down, it got our attention.
Clinton about outran his shadow to be apologizing to CAIR the same morning while the EMS and Fire crews were being evacuated form the building because of other UXO. Far too many rats in the story (those are just a couple), including the timing--which could not have been worse for the Patriot movement nor those seeking repeal of the AWB.
Hard to define it, but like the fire at Waco, it just felt WRONG.
>>>I was in Crypto school in San Angelo (after studying Russian) slated to go to Alaska when it happened. The Russians said it was supposed to be the RC-135 (the plane we would be flying in in a few short months) they shot down, it got our attention.<<<
Yes, I’ve seen a documentary and Russians said they have detected a Cobra Ball electronic signature just prior to event and also two similar sized aircraft has crossed routes on their radar. They were sure the one entered their airspace was RC-135.
1983 was a tough time, probably a peak of the Cold War. Just weeks before incident USN carriers held drills with A-7s over a disputed Soviet-Japanese islands in that same area and Soviet commander was sacked for failure to react properly.
KAL007 was actually intercepted twice, first time over Kamchatka by a pack of 6 Mig-23s who tried to contact it and flew away after it failed to react and second time close to Sakhalin when it has violated Soviet airspace for a second time.
AFAIK a pilot has approached from the rear, the weather wasn’t particularly nice and a B-747 was looking exactly like a Cobra Ball from that position.