Skip to comments.WH confident on winning Hill support on Syria but uses 'flood the zone' to get votes
Posted on 09/02/2013 5:38:34 AM PDT by chemicalman
The Obama administration, bolstered by evidence the Syrian government used lethal sarin gas on its own people, expressed confidence Sunday that Congress would back President Obamas decision for a military strike on the Middle East country.
The comment underscored the risk Obama took in deciding over the weekend to seek approval from Congress, a step King argues he didn't need to take.
Kerry told Fox News Sunday that he couldnt imagine Congress would turn its back on Israel or other U.S. allies in the region and on the Syrians slaughtered in the Aug. 21 chemical weapon attack, allegedly ordered by President Bashar al-Assad.
I can't contemplate that Congress would turn its back on all of that responsibility, Kerry said. I dont believe Congress will do that.
Kerrys comments and the White House blitz were the latest in a series of dramatic turn of events since the chemical weapon attack two weeks ago outside Damascus that killed more than 1,400 people including hundreds of women and children.
The White House official confirms on Sunday the president called Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain over the weekend to invite him to the White House on Monday, the same day Obama will hold another conference call with House members.
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McCain would be a good VP for Obama.
They BOTH hate Americans, hate the Constitution,
and LOVE al Qaeda and their crucifixions, slavery,
murders, rapes and, of course, cannibalism.
I just watched this idiot King on Fox.
This stupid a-hole is going to vote to bomb Syria.
What good is electing people like this.
A Republican voting to back Muslims who are killing Christians.
He shouted for regime change when we all know what that change will be.
Is he crazy or just plain stupid.?
How is getting rid of Assad a good thing when he will be replaced by a Muslim dictatorship?
The WH shouldn’t be counting their chickens before they hatch. I see odumo as putting the blame (current and future) squarely on the shoulders of Congress. Odumbo will never shoulder the responsibility OR the blame and will continue to vote “present” to avoid having any decision outcome related to him, that is unless things turn our well and then it was his decision all along.
I think the fix is in on this matter already, but I don’t know in which direction.
Party loyalty is strong on the dark side. Most of the GOP are driven by short term electoral interest.
On the list of the top twenty US issues and problems....this probably rates near number 75. For this reason, I suspect that the vote won’t go well, and several Republicans and Democrats will agree to table the mess...rather than put it to a vote and embearess the President.
As for Senator McCain...he’s become some roving I-gotta-an-answer Hollywood-wannabe-Senator. He should have retired at his peak in the late 1990s, and simply wrote a couple of books. Currently, I wouldn’t regard his beliefs or agenda as worth discussing.
And as for Syria? Well....there’s just something about this gas-episode that doesn’t add up. If you were ahead in the game and doing well against the civil war crowd....why screw things up? It just sounds like some baby-milk-factory episode, if you ask me...made for journalism.
I hear Obama is really wanting to punish Assad. Instead of seeking authority from Congress to use cruise missiles on Damascus, he’s gonna ask Congress to pass Obamacare for Syria.
If you have to say you’re confident, you’re not.
I don’t think my Congresswoman is set up to receive our feedback: you can’t email her and her messages are full
Kansas Senator Jerry Moran’s statement on the issue:
Congress will soon use its Constitutionally-vested power to debate and vote on whether to intervene in Syria. America cannot afford another conflict that taxes our resources without achieving goals that advance American interests, and I will not support authorizing military action against Syria at this time.
Obama The Great has evolved from an Indonesian madrasa student, to dope smoking champion Choomer, Community Organizer, to President of the USA.
Now he thinks he is President and chief law enforcement officer of the world.
I just emailed my congressman and told him point blank a big HELL NO on the WPA resolution. I told him not one American life, not one airplane, not one cruise missile, not one bullet is worth expending in trying to help the Muslim Brotherhood overtake another bunch of Muslims.
How long before senators and congressmen who oppose an attack on Syria are accused of not backing Obama because he is black and they are racists?
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5........
It must be made absolutely clear that any member of Congress that votes to declare war on Syria and involve the United states in a Mideast war will be aggressively punished.
As for Senator McCain...hes become some roving I-gotta-an-answer Hollywood-wannabe-Senator. He should have retired at his peak in the late 1990s
I didn’t know this a**hat ever had a peak. The one thing I do know is this a-hole will be one as long as he has one.
As of 9:09 a.m. (eastern)day’s Washington Post readers’ poll was like this:
Todays Opinions poll
Should the U.S. intervene militarily in Syria?
20585 people have taken this poll.
“America cannot afford another conflict that taxes our resources without achieving goals that advance American interests, and I will not support authorizing military action against Syria at this time.
As I’ve said before, even a minute before Flight 10 hit the tower it was easier to argue that nothing going on in Afghanistan engaged “American interests.” But then Americans had to choose whether to burn to death or jump 89 floors.
Kerry told Fox News Sunday that he couldnt imagine Congress would turn its back on Israel or other U.S. allies in the region and on the Syrians slaughteredScrew you Frenchie. Not our problem.
Suddenly the Clown wants to work on a holiday?? AND he wants to get the input of Congress??
Don’t make me laugh.
That would do more damage.
apples and oranges, paleo
use your crystal ball
“McCain would be a good VP for Obama.
They BOTH hate Americans, hate the Constitution,
and LOVE al Qaeda and their crucifixions, slavery,
murders, rapes and, of course, cannibalism.”
They are both legends in their own minds.
“And as for Syria? Well....theres just something about this gas-episode that doesnt add up. If you were ahead in the game and doing well against the civil war crowd....why screw things up? It just sounds like some baby-milk-factory episode, if you ask me...made for journalism.”
Exactly. Unless Assad is a total idiot or out of control of his forces, this doesn’t add up. Only thing I could think of is he thought Russia would give him cover for it.
The House should be very clear that a resounding “NO!” means NO!
It actually goes far beyond just this aggression into a nation where the US has ZERO national interest. The real issue is the unconstitutional power that has been taken by a hundred years of US presidents.
It began at the start of the “progressive era” under Teddy Roosevelt. In a show of machismo and belligerence, Roosevelt wanted to send the new US navy, bristling with battleships, around the world, to, in effect, try to intimidate and menace the entire world.
And congress said No! Congress refused to break the bank and give Roosevelt a blank check to intimidate the rest of the world. The US was already a world power because we *had* the navy. But Teddy Roosevelt wanted us to in effect rule the world.
Roosevelt did not capitulate. Instead he ordered the US Navy to go to the other side of the world. Halfway.
“If congress wants a navy, then they must pay to bring them back.” Such was his unprincipled arrogance.
While congress agreed to pay for the return of the US navy, the result was *not* what Roosevelt expected. The rest of the world did not cower before our might, but instead began building their own battleship navies. And submarine navies. And even some of the first aircraft carriers.
The end result of which was that when the opportunity for World War I presented itself, the carnage was staggering.
However, and this is the important part, the US president taking the power of appropriations for the military away from congress was an awful precedent; which Woodrow Wilson followed up with a rubber stamp war from congress in World War I.
Right now, Obama is considering a poorly thought out scheme against one small part of an axis of nations opposed by an alliance of nations, not unlike World War I.
Syria is aligned with the eastern half of Lebanon and Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, and with considerable Shiite sympathies in Iraq.
The Syrian rebels have the support of Saudi Arabia, France, Egypt, some degree of support from Pakistan, Chechnya, Iraq’s Sunnis, and marginal support from the US and England.
The Turks, Kurds, western Lebanese, Hamas in Gaza, Fatah in the West Bank, Jordan, Yemen, and several European nations are off to the side, but might get dragged in.
All the players want to drag Israel in.
The best outcome we can hope for is that this mess continues until Syria is a smoking hole, and that Iranian and Russian weapons are destroyed as soon as they get there.
But the US must avoid throwing our hand it if at all possible. Our efforts should be in keeping other hands *out* of Syria as well.
They say they can’t impeach Obama. They are unable to repeal Obamacare. Well, here is an opportunity to deliver a beat down to Obama that is long overdue, and that he quite clearly deserves. He has dissed Congress for a term of a half now. He has been doing end-arounds, and crapping on the Constitution. Congress should now deliver Obama a vote of no confidence on this one.
McCain met with the rebels. Aiding the enemy. Probably the one that got them the chem weapons. Lock him away, guys.
Every Republican should simply vote “Present.” Let the Democrats take sole responsibility for this fiasco. If the Democrats vote to authorize military action, they will have to explain themselves to the American people. If they vote against military action, Obama will throw the biggest hissy fit anyone has ever seen.
I agree with you, but Congress seems to run along hidden lines these days. I don’t know what’s going on in the backrooms.
Perhaps it will finally cause something to blow up in his face and stir folks to more vigorous action to put us on the right track. Pretty sad deal when the worst case scenario might be the best case in the long run...
A well-stated and information post. Thank you!
Syria already said they would attack Israel if we attack them.....I believe them.
I would say that if the Republicans go along with this that they are dead to me, but I already threw the shroud on them months ago.
Maybe that’s what Obama is counting on...
How do republicans think that this will help them in 2014?
It would be Obamas luck that the house goes democrat because the republicans get voted out because they voted for authorization.
“Flood the zone”? Is that politician thug speak for “blackmail them with their NSA files”?
“The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.” Psalm 18:4
Trying to drum up support for a new war and tossing around references likening the effort to a ‘flood’ should be avoided by these Belshazzar’s occupying the white house,
God uses the same idioms to refer to war and of how the end would come,
“So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.” Isaiah 59:19
And as recorded in Daniel, this happened in August of 70 AD, and will happen again:
“and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
None of this has anything to do with a gas attack. Except that Obama is full of hot air and went off teleprompter.
McCain is just a damned brainwashed traitor.
He doesn’t have to vote in any way. The congress will fold, the war will start and not end before his term is over, and the media will blame the R hawks like McCain. McCain will take it, cuz, you know... he’s a maverick.
Just like the sequester that OBAMA set forth, no one in the media blamed Obama, they blamed the R’s and the GOPe did not fire back.
The R’s are disguised Dems who take the beating. It’s a one party system. One party rules, the other party takes the blame to make the dems look good.
I swear, I think so many R’s are just paid palooka’s.
Tell McCain not to forget his pom poms when he visits Obama.
he's going to finish off our country in one fell swope..