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Military Revolts Against Obama Attack On Syria
Investors.com ^ | September 6, 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 09/06/2013 5:10:34 PM PDT by jazusamo

Mideast: The administration's planned strike on Syria is increasingly opposed by many in a U.S. military coping with the scars of two long wars, a rapidly shrinking budget and soldiers saying we're "tired, stretched thin and broke."

That sentiment was expressed by an active-duty soldier with a rank of Sergeant First Class in an email to Rep. Justin Amash. The Michigan Republican has been receiving, compiling and tweeting emails from current and former service members now being asked to commit to an ill-defined mission with an unclear goal in support of rebels mostly linked to al-Qaida and other unfriendly interests.

"The message I consistently hear: Please vote no on military action against Syria," Amash tweeted. Most objections relate to the lack of a clear objective in striking Syria and the muddled line between anti-government rebels and al-Qaida-affiliated terrorists.

The backlash against boots on the ground or even wings in the air has exploded on social media. Many in the military are posting photos of themselves holding signs stating they'd refuse to fight on the same side as al-Qaida in Syria. The photos went viral, with one post alone generating more than 16,000 shares on Facebook.

"Our involvement in Syria is so dangerous on so many levels, and the 21st century American vet is more keen to this than anybody," Business Insider's Paul Szoldra quotes former Cpl. Jack Mandaville, a Marine Corps infantry veteran with three deployments to Iraq. "It boggles my mind that we are being ignored."

A decade of involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, with many of the rank and file seeing the fruits of their victories squandered by the Obama administration's precipitous, ideologically driven withdrawals, raises the question why we should bother about Syria.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: agitprop; bobscales; falseflagoperation; jackmandaville; justinamash; memebuilding; michigan; obama; paulszoldra; phonypresident; syria
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I've always considered retired Maj Gen Bob Scales to be knowledgeable and a straight shooter.
1 posted on 09/06/2013 5:10:34 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Obama should have considered he might need a strong military when he decided to gut them with budget cuts. If I was still in I sure wouldn’t have any interest in getting in the middle of Syria’s civil war. Where is the US interest in that?


2 posted on 09/06/2013 5:13:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: jazusamo
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"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."

King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

("At Any Price: How America Betrayed My Kidnapped Daughters for Saudi Oil" By Patricia Roush)

For the source of that quotation, visit the link below (copy and paste if necessary), go to page 272 and scroll to the bottom of the page.

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I guess their oil is the only POSSIBLE reason to shed American blood for these people. It begs a question: WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Don’t answer that.)


3 posted on 09/06/2013 5:13:43 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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To: colorado tanker

Ditto that...Obama can’t think beyond the next fundraiser.


4 posted on 09/06/2013 5:16:55 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I'll take it a step further and say that a vote to go to war on the side of al-Qaida in Syria is an act of treason.

Obama and all democrats should be removed from office immediately before they get us all killed!

5 posted on 09/06/2013 5:17:14 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: jazusamo; Grampa Dave; Tennessee Nana; thouworm; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
Many in the US military are posting photos of themselves holding signs stating they'd refuse to fight on the same side as al-Qaida in Syria. ...one post alone generated more than 16,000 shares on Facebook. "Our involvement in Syria is so dangerous on so many levels" .......one vet said, "It boggles my mind that we are being ignored."

Must be a rude awakening to realize their CIC is a total jerk.

6 posted on 09/06/2013 5:18:14 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Dick Bachert

BTTT!


7 posted on 09/06/2013 5:18:25 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Dick Bachert

We should just take the Saudi’s oil, like we did in the past.


8 posted on 09/06/2013 5:21:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Liz

If Congress passes it, they can’t do a damned thing. If Congress votes no, and Obama does it anyways could it be considered an illegal order?


9 posted on 09/06/2013 5:23:41 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Paladin2

Same objectives! Kill the Jews, enslave humanity!

They were even allies in WWII until the Nazis breathed no more.

Isn't it time to finish WWII before we start WWIII?

10 posted on 09/06/2013 5:31:36 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

They were even allies in WWII.


11 posted on 09/06/2013 5:32:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Liz

0bama’s mooslim outreach


12 posted on 09/06/2013 5:35:23 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Dick Bachert

“WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD?”

Because the Academic Socialist Democrats won’t let us?


14 posted on 09/06/2013 5:41:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: jazusamo; Jim Robinson


15 posted on 09/06/2013 5:44:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: jazusamo

Sunni Muslims have been at war with Alawite and Shiite Muslims for over a thousand years and no one ever paid any attention to their killing each other, so why all of a sudden has our President taken sides in this Muslim domestic disturbance? One thing I’ve learned during my 25 years in law enforcement is that when you’re trying to identify a motive in a criminal investigation, all you have to do is “follow the money” and it’ll usually come into focus.

The first clue came when we saw our President publicly bow and grovel before the King of Saudi Arabia (a Sunni Muslim). Could it have been because the King of Saudi Arabia financed Obama’s campaign? Remember, there are still large sums of money in Obama’s campaign coffers that haven’t been adequately explained.

If the King of Saudi Arabia now “owns” our President, it could explain why Obama has sided with the King’s Sunni Muslim Al-Qaeda rebels in this Civil War against Syria’s Alawite/Shiite government. It could also explain why Obama has prevented the development of U.S. oil resources and has effectively “killed” coal in the U.S. in order to keep our country dependent on foreign oil.

It’s evident that U.S national security isn’t threatened by this Syrian Civil War and the only reason we’ve entered into this fracas is because President Obama is “bought and paid for” by the Saudis. Now, we’re learning just how many in our Congress, from Boehner to McCain, are also on the Saudi payroll.

Our Secretary of State, John Kerry, just revealed that the Saudi King has offered to reimburse the U.S. for the cost of U.S. strikes in Syria. If President Obama sells the services of our U.S. Military to an Islamic Sultan, as he’s about to do, our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen will then become historic parallels to Ottoman Janissaries. Americans will then go to war shoulder to shoulder with their Al-Qaeda allies making Osama bin Laden so proud.

Other sources have reported that the Saudis attempted to pay the Russians to stop supporting Assad’s Syrian Government, but the Russians refused to be bought, and why would the Russians refuse to be bought by the Saudis? Again, just “Follow the Money.” The only reason the Russians would refuse to be bought by the Saudis is because they see more monetary gain for themselves if this disturbance in Syria escalates and hostilities spread throughout the Middle East.

If the U.S. strikes Syria, it will in all likelihood trigger a war that will quickly spread throughout the Middle East from Israel through Saudi Arabia to Iran. When this happens, nukes could start popping, the Middle East could become radioactive for a half life of at least 10,000 years, and Saudi oil would then become unobtainable on the world market.

As Russia has developed its oil resources equal to or possibly past the Saudis and are now considered the #2 oil producer in the world behind Saudi Arabia, the elimination of Saudi oil will make Russia #1 in the world. Russia can then name their own price for oil, and the world will have to pay. You have to hand it to the Russians, chess players that they are and looking at least five moves ahead, as they will have eliminated their competition and tricked their competition into paying for it.

Don’t look for a motive for the Saudi Sunnis, the Syrian Alawites, and the Iranian Shiites, as they’re primitive religious fanatics and don’t need a motive beyond their own insanity.

I ask you, just how insane do we have to be to enter into a war among the insane?


16 posted on 09/06/2013 5:46:03 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Illegal? To this America hater?

Laws are for us peons——not meant for him.


17 posted on 09/06/2013 5:52:00 PM PDT by Liz
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To: DJ Taylor

Sadly, Obama and his handlers are definitely insane. Lets hope there are enough sane people to stop this fiasco.


18 posted on 09/06/2013 6:09:36 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

...the SIC (Slacker in Charge) is finally exposing himself, after his mysterious youth....his Arab financed education...going from a C student to a Harvard Law editor..????...yeah another Arab “donation” to help the slacker....street agitator to another well finance and Senatorial victory where he only voted half the time....as President it took him 42 days to respond to the BP oil spill...so he could steal 20 billion of which they only spent 4 billion in two years....Obamacare was “invented” in the senate three years ago...there was never a bill to vote on...it only evolved AFTER it was passed..Fast and Furious..loan scandal after loan scandal....NSA SCANDAL, IRS SCANDAL, Sebilus shaking down companies...then the Slacker in Charge goes to bed the night of Benghazi (hoping someone else would make a decision) and then went on for three weeks lying to all to cover his incompetence..(slacker)...after two years country after country in the middle east...turmoil..slacker did nothing...Syria gasses it’s own people, the WORLD is suddenly shocked (they started gassing a year ago under the slacker’s blind eye)...because of the US pass policies and leadership in regards to horrific circumstance the WORLD looks to the US....sorry world, the slacker is busy making up excuses for his lies about red lines....besides he’s so disappointed he can’t go to Hollywood for his weekly money grab and adulation fix...
Yeah the military is justifiably concern about “leadership” when the slacker has to make a decision, they already know what to expect especially when Hollywood calls or Las Vegas. He didn’t get his adulation fix in Russia


19 posted on 09/06/2013 6:10:55 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Liz
It's not the very first time.

(says a USAF veteran who endured a “lock down” when Jimmy Carter passed through a large DOD installation...SAC HQ)

I endured, and my next CIC was not insane.

I can't speak for all of my peers, but I can speak for a lot of them, past and present.
I absolutely knew there was an extremely high probability that I would die, in defending my country against an enemy attack, or while going on the offense against a designated enemy.
I accepted that probability.
Certain missions and locations were known to be almost suicidal, if the plan was ever activated or the base was attacked.
That was fair.
We knew what was at stake if we failed, and trusted we would not be wasted pawns, in a game we understood was not a game.

Under this administration?

I would have joined a military coup against an anti USA civilian leadership, knowing the probability was high that I would die or be imprisoned for the rest of my life. So we circle back to why my entire wing was on lock down, when Carter passed through... The oath to fight "against all enemies, foreign or domestic" is one that many swear, but few completely understand, untll they are faced with the unthinkable.

20 posted on 09/06/2013 6:15:18 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: jazusamo
Syrian soldiers hack marine site, ask for help against al Qaeda
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3061655/posts


21 posted on 09/06/2013 6:32:57 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: DJ Taylor
When this happens, nukes could start popping, the Middle East could become radioactive for a half life of at least 10,000 years, and Saudi oil would then become unobtainable on the world market.

10,000 years eh?

First, did you hear about the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Well, here's Hiroshima, after but 70 years...

Well, well, what do you know? And here's Nagasaki today:

Apparently the Japanese didn't know about how the land would be destroyed for 10,000 years, so they rebuilt those cities and live there now. I guess you weren't there to tell them.

Second, nukes would do absolutely NOTHING to oil more than a dozen feet underground, which is all of it.

Before blathering such drivel on a public forum, try reality. It's really quite refreshing.

22 posted on 09/06/2013 6:33:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: jazusamo

The JCS should resign. And they should do it in a very public way.


23 posted on 09/06/2013 6:45:33 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Before blathering such drivel on a public forum, try reality. It's really quite refreshing."

Apparently, you don't know how far nuclear weapons have come since Hiroshima.

24 posted on 09/06/2013 6:51:35 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: jazusamo

25 posted on 09/06/2013 7:11:22 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama lies, smokes, blasphemes, eats pork, reads your mail, eavesdrops and drinks during Ramadan)
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To: DJ Taylor
Apparently, you don't know how far nuclear weapons have come since Hiroshima.

I'm well aware of the 25MT monsters the Soviets made. That has NOTHING to do with subsequent radioactivity. You're full of crap, especially in the case of Nagasaki, which was a plutonium bomb.

Baseless fears, ignorance, and apathy are the biggest killers when it comes to surviving nuclear war. My suggestion is that you consult a reliable source: Nuclear War Survival Skills, by Cresson Kearney. It's free online, but the book is worth the money. Your life may depend upon it.

26 posted on 09/06/2013 7:12:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I thought those were atomic weapons we used against Japan - is there not a difference between little atomic popwads and thermonuclear explosives?


27 posted on 09/06/2013 7:13:02 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23
I thought those were atomic weapons we used against Japan - is there not a difference between little atomic popwads and thermonuclear explosives?

Sure, in terms of yield. They're actually more efficient. See the reference in post 26.

28 posted on 09/06/2013 7:15:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: sarasmom
I would have joined a military coup against an anti USA civilian leadership, knowing the probability was high that I would die or be imprisoned for the rest of my life. So we circle back to why my entire wing was on lock down, when Carter passed through... The oath to fight "against all enemies, foreign or domestic" is one that many swear, but few completely understand, untll they are faced with the unthinkable.

I was unfortunately around Carter and Clinton quite a bit and was never locked down nor entertaining thoughts of military coups.

But Carter never asked me to fight in support of Communists, and Clinton never asked me to fight in support of Saddam. As much as I disliked them, I knew a Republican would come along. Reagan came along, for instance.

Obama on the other hand is asking people to fight on the side of Al Qaeda. I wonder if we should be forming some kind of legal defense fund for those who are conscientious objectors when it comes to fighting for Al Qaeda. My son is in the Marines and daughter is in the Air Force, and I have no problem with them bowing out of this one. Both are going to be leaving anyways as soon as they can - they have seen the writing on the wall and the GOP insistence of running liberals on the ballot like Bush/McCain/Romney and know that it's a trend that will not stop.
29 posted on 09/06/2013 7:15:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: jazusamo

I’m guessin’ Obama wants as much of the military as possible out of the Country...


30 posted on 09/06/2013 7:17:42 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

You’re point is well taken and probably true.


31 posted on 09/06/2013 7:26:19 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Paladin2

Which is in a round about way part of how Israel came to be restored.


32 posted on 09/06/2013 7:45:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You may be right, but using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as examples might not be accurate. Those were fission bombs.


33 posted on 09/06/2013 7:50:30 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Iscool
I’m guessin’ Obama wants as much of the military as possible out of the Country...

That EXACT thought has crossed my mind numerous times.

34 posted on 09/06/2013 7:50:43 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Habakkuk 2;Isaiah 55)
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To: af_vet_rr
“But Carter never asked me to fight in support of Communists”
ROTFLMAO.
LIAR!

I know Carter was informed he would endure a military coup.
IDK (lol) what “they” told Clinton.
That “they” got nervous about allowing civilian idiots to try to control the DOD is something only seasoned veterans will appreciate.

35 posted on 09/06/2013 7:56:46 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: Dick Bachert

>WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Don’t answer that.)<

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Any of our congresscritters care to answer that question?


36 posted on 09/06/2013 8:26:33 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Liz; jazusamo; Grampa Dave; Tennessee Nana; thouworm; stephenjohnbanker

I love that video played over and over on the cable news channels now showing a woman who claims she came from Syria scolding McCain on his attack Syria position, at a town hall.

She says ‘Don’t make Syria another Iraq or Afghanistan’

Any day McCain is yelled at is a great day.


37 posted on 09/06/2013 8:29:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: af_vet_rr

>Obama on the other hand is asking people to fight on the side of Al Qaeda.<

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He is merely asking people to fight on his side.


38 posted on 09/06/2013 8:38:04 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Liz

IF The Congress votes to prevent a Syrian attack—and Obama does order it anyway—the joint Chiefs would be within their rights to depose him, arrest him for treason, and rule as a Junta until free elections could be held. They could appoint a senator as President to serve out the remains of the Obama term—I would even support Interim President McCain. But a better choice would be Rand Paul or ....


39 posted on 09/06/2013 9:02:56 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Liz
I served my country in the military for 5 years.
My son served
My father served
My brother served
My stepfather served
My father-in-law served
My brother-in-law served
I would not now recommend service under our current CIC under any circumstances
O Canada! maybe called upon again to serve as a refuge for our youth and our misused military after 40 years.
Our military must not be a mercenary force for Islamic ragheads.
40 posted on 09/06/2013 9:28:34 PM PDT by The Bat Ladys Husband (Stupid and incompetent is no way to go through a presidency)
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To: tacticalogic
You may be right, but using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as examples might not be accurate. Those were fission bombs.

I refer to Kearny's book, as he is the expert on the topic. He says that 48 hours is the critical period.

41 posted on 09/06/2013 9:33:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: DJ Taylor
If the U.S. strikes Syria, it will in all likelihood trigger a war that will quickly spread throughout the Middle East from Israel through Saudi Arabia to Iran

If likely, why the Saudi interest?

42 posted on 09/06/2013 9:51:27 PM PDT by xone
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To: 353FMG; af_vet_rr

>Obama on the other hand is asking people to fight on the side of Al Qaeda.<

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He is merely asking people to fight on his side.


His side means AQ/Moslem Bros. I think everyone understands that by now.


43 posted on 09/06/2013 10:03:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Paladin2

And in WW1 also.


44 posted on 09/07/2013 1:47:20 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Carry_Okie
A Hydrogen nuke is certainly the biggest bang for the buck. Hydrogen is what fuels every star in the universe and hydrogen makes things happen like the creation of new stars and along with water and under the right conditions it makes life. But the nukes of 1945 would still do the job. In fact think of one Hiroshima type bomb detonated over Times Square or London or any major city. After the initial blast, the millisecond wherein for thousand of square yards the heat released is many times that of the surface of the sun and the shock wave, panic among the populace would be beyond belief.
45 posted on 09/07/2013 2:00:45 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I believe the 10000 year figure comes from bombs with a cobalt casing, not the ones we dropped on Japan. They can be made so the residual radiation is lingering and nasty, or they can be made so they kill the soft targets and leave the infrastructure (neutron bomb) with little residual radiation. It depends on what you want to do.


46 posted on 09/07/2013 3:25:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Liz

There will come a time in which even “the peons”, that is us, will NOT be obeyed.


47 posted on 09/07/2013 3:54:49 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Liz
Must be a rude awakening to realize their CIC is a total jerk.

The good ones have known it from the start - that so many are risking careers to protest is a sign that the military hasn't yet been subverted to the point it can be used to squash the People. Because of this "bad news" I fully expect some "steps" to be taken and word to be spread about the hazards of dissing the CIC. We just got a recent reminder that if classified is leaked and running around the web where any Tom,-Dick-Harry can see it, those in service of Uncle Sugar can be prosecuted for viewing the "offending material" even on personal computers. I guess we need to constantly clear our history/cache in case we hit a site that has some classified on it and we don't realize it - I'm sure it will be watched for and used to purge the "undesirables".

BTW - I retire while Klintoon was CIC - my signed papers will never grace my den wall...

48 posted on 09/07/2013 3:59:59 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
... rule as a Junta until free elections could be held.

When did we become Argentina, Bub? Batshit crazy.

49 posted on 09/07/2013 4:25:24 AM PDT by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: DJ Taylor

“I ask you, just how insane do we have to be to enter into a war among the insane?”

Wonderful post. Thanks.

IMHO


50 posted on 09/07/2013 4:27:30 AM PDT by ripley
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