Skip to comments.Military Revolts Against Obama Attack On Syria
Posted on 09/06/2013 5:10:34 PM PDT by jazusamo
Mideast: The administration's planned strike on Syria is increasingly opposed by many in a U.S. military coping with the scars of two long wars, a rapidly shrinking budget and soldiers saying we're "tired, stretched thin and broke."
That sentiment was expressed by an active-duty soldier with a rank of Sergeant First Class in an email to Rep. Justin Amash. The Michigan Republican has been receiving, compiling and tweeting emails from current and former service members now being asked to commit to an ill-defined mission with an unclear goal in support of rebels mostly linked to al-Qaida and other unfriendly interests.
"The message I consistently hear: Please vote no on military action against Syria," Amash tweeted. Most objections relate to the lack of a clear objective in striking Syria and the muddled line between anti-government rebels and al-Qaida-affiliated terrorists.
The backlash against boots on the ground or even wings in the air has exploded on social media. Many in the military are posting photos of themselves holding signs stating they'd refuse to fight on the same side as al-Qaida in Syria. The photos went viral, with one post alone generating more than 16,000 shares on Facebook.
"Our involvement in Syria is so dangerous on so many levels, and the 21st century American vet is more keen to this than anybody," Business Insider's Paul Szoldra quotes former Cpl. Jack Mandaville, a Marine Corps infantry veteran with three deployments to Iraq. "It boggles my mind that we are being ignored."
A decade of involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, with many of the rank and file seeing the fruits of their victories squandered by the Obama administration's precipitous, ideologically driven withdrawals, raises the question why we should bother about Syria.
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Obama should have considered he might need a strong military when he decided to gut them with budget cuts. If I was still in I sure wouldn’t have any interest in getting in the middle of Syria’s civil war. Where is the US interest in that?
"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993
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I guess their oil is the only POSSIBLE reason to shed American blood for these people. It begs a question: WHY THE HELL ARENT WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Dont answer that.)
Ditto that...Obama can’t think beyond the next fundraiser.
Obama and all democrats should be removed from office immediately before they get us all killed!
Must be a rude awakening to realize their CIC is a total jerk.
We should just take the Saudi’s oil, like we did in the past.
If Congress passes it, they can’t do a damned thing. If Congress votes no, and Obama does it anyways could it be considered an illegal order?
Same objectives! Kill the Jews, enslave humanity!
They were even allies in WWII until the Nazis breathed no more.
Isn't it time to finish WWII before we start WWIII?
They were even allies in WWII.
0bama’s mooslim outreach
“WHY THE HELL ARENT WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD?”
Because the Academic Socialist Democrats won’t let us?
Sunni Muslims have been at war with Alawite and Shiite Muslims for over a thousand years and no one ever paid any attention to their killing each other, so why all of a sudden has our President taken sides in this Muslim domestic disturbance? One thing Ive learned during my 25 years in law enforcement is that when youre trying to identify a motive in a criminal investigation, all you have to do is follow the money and itll usually come into focus.
The first clue came when we saw our President publicly bow and grovel before the King of Saudi Arabia (a Sunni Muslim). Could it have been because the King of Saudi Arabia financed Obamas campaign? Remember, there are still large sums of money in Obamas campaign coffers that havent been adequately explained.
If the King of Saudi Arabia now owns our President, it could explain why Obama has sided with the Kings Sunni Muslim Al-Qaeda rebels in this Civil War against Syrias Alawite/Shiite government. It could also explain why Obama has prevented the development of U.S. oil resources and has effectively killed coal in the U.S. in order to keep our country dependent on foreign oil.
Its evident that U.S national security isnt threatened by this Syrian Civil War and the only reason weve entered into this fracas is because President Obama is bought and paid for by the Saudis. Now, were learning just how many in our Congress, from Boehner to McCain, are also on the Saudi payroll.
Our Secretary of State, John Kerry, just revealed that the Saudi King has offered to reimburse the U.S. for the cost of U.S. strikes in Syria. If President Obama sells the services of our U.S. Military to an Islamic Sultan, as hes about to do, our Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen will then become historic parallels to Ottoman Janissaries. Americans will then go to war shoulder to shoulder with their Al-Qaeda allies making Osama bin Laden so proud.
Other sources have reported that the Saudis attempted to pay the Russians to stop supporting Assads Syrian Government, but the Russians refused to be bought, and why would the Russians refuse to be bought by the Saudis? Again, just Follow the Money. The only reason the Russians would refuse to be bought by the Saudis is because they see more monetary gain for themselves if this disturbance in Syria escalates and hostilities spread throughout the Middle East.
If the U.S. strikes Syria, it will in all likelihood trigger a war that will quickly spread throughout the Middle East from Israel through Saudi Arabia to Iran. When this happens, nukes could start popping, the Middle East could become radioactive for a half life of at least 10,000 years, and Saudi oil would then become unobtainable on the world market.
As Russia has developed its oil resources equal to or possibly past the Saudis and are now considered the #2 oil producer in the world behind Saudi Arabia, the elimination of Saudi oil will make Russia #1 in the world. Russia can then name their own price for oil, and the world will have to pay. You have to hand it to the Russians, chess players that they are and looking at least five moves ahead, as they will have eliminated their competition and tricked their competition into paying for it.
Dont look for a motive for the Saudi Sunnis, the Syrian Alawites, and the Iranian Shiites, as theyre primitive religious fanatics and dont need a motive beyond their own insanity.
I ask you, just how insane do we have to be to enter into a war among the insane?
Illegal? To this America hater?
Laws are for us peons——not meant for him.
Sadly, Obama and his handlers are definitely insane. Lets hope there are enough sane people to stop this fiasco.
...the SIC (Slacker in Charge) is finally exposing himself, after his mysterious youth....his Arab financed education...going from a C student to a Harvard Law editor..????...yeah another Arab “donation” to help the slacker....street agitator to another well finance and Senatorial victory where he only voted half the time....as President it took him 42 days to respond to the BP oil spill...so he could steal 20 billion of which they only spent 4 billion in two years....Obamacare was “invented” in the senate three years ago...there was never a bill to vote on...it only evolved AFTER it was passed..Fast and Furious..loan scandal after loan scandal....NSA SCANDAL, IRS SCANDAL, Sebilus shaking down companies...then the Slacker in Charge goes to bed the night of Benghazi (hoping someone else would make a decision) and then went on for three weeks lying to all to cover his incompetence..(slacker)...after two years country after country in the middle east...turmoil..slacker did nothing...Syria gasses it’s own people, the WORLD is suddenly shocked (they started gassing a year ago under the slacker’s blind eye)...because of the US pass policies and leadership in regards to horrific circumstance the WORLD looks to the US....sorry world, the slacker is busy making up excuses for his lies about red lines....besides he’s so disappointed he can’t go to Hollywood for his weekly money grab and adulation fix...
Yeah the military is justifiably concern about “leadership” when the slacker has to make a decision, they already know what to expect especially when Hollywood calls or Las Vegas. He didn’t get his adulation fix in Russia
(says a USAF veteran who endured a “lock down” when Jimmy Carter passed through a large DOD installation...SAC HQ)
I endured, and my next CIC was not insane.
I can't speak for all of my peers, but I can speak for a lot of them, past and present.
I absolutely knew there was an extremely high probability that I would die, in defending my country against an enemy attack, or while going on the offense against a designated enemy.
I accepted that probability.
Certain missions and locations were known to be almost suicidal, if the plan was ever activated or the base was attacked.
That was fair.
We knew what was at stake if we failed, and trusted we would not be wasted pawns, in a game we understood was not a game.
Under this administration?
I would have joined a military coup against an anti USA civilian leadership, knowing the probability was high that I would die or be imprisoned for the rest of my life. So we circle back to why my entire wing was on lock down, when Carter passed through... The oath to fight "against all enemies, foreign or domestic" is one that many swear, but few completely understand, untll they are faced with the unthinkable.
10,000 years eh?
First, did you hear about the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Well, here's Hiroshima, after but 70 years...
Well, well, what do you know? And here's Nagasaki today:
Apparently the Japanese didn't know about how the land would be destroyed for 10,000 years, so they rebuilt those cities and live there now. I guess you weren't there to tell them.
Second, nukes would do absolutely NOTHING to oil more than a dozen feet underground, which is all of it.
Before blathering such drivel on a public forum, try reality. It's really quite refreshing.
The JCS should resign. And they should do it in a very public way.
Apparently, you don't know how far nuclear weapons have come since Hiroshima.
I'm well aware of the 25MT monsters the Soviets made. That has NOTHING to do with subsequent radioactivity. You're full of crap, especially in the case of Nagasaki, which was a plutonium bomb.
Baseless fears, ignorance, and apathy are the biggest killers when it comes to surviving nuclear war. My suggestion is that you consult a reliable source: Nuclear War Survival Skills, by Cresson Kearney. It's free online, but the book is worth the money. Your life may depend upon it.
I thought those were atomic weapons we used against Japan - is there not a difference between little atomic popwads and thermonuclear explosives?
Sure, in terms of yield. They're actually more efficient. See the reference in post 26.
I’m guessin’ Obama wants as much of the military as possible out of the Country...
You’re point is well taken and probably true.
Which is in a round about way part of how Israel came to be restored.
You may be right, but using Hiroshima and Nagasaki as examples might not be accurate. Those were fission bombs.
That EXACT thought has crossed my mind numerous times.
I know Carter was informed he would endure a military coup.
IDK (lol) what “they” told Clinton.
That “they” got nervous about allowing civilian idiots to try to control the DOD is something only seasoned veterans will appreciate.
>WHY THE HELL ARENT WE USING OUR OWN?? ARE WE MAD? (Dont answer that.)<
Any of our congresscritters care to answer that question?
I love that video played over and over on the cable news channels now showing a woman who claims she came from Syria scolding McCain on his attack Syria position, at a town hall.
She says ‘Don’t make Syria another Iraq or Afghanistan’
Any day McCain is yelled at is a great day.
>Obama on the other hand is asking people to fight on the side of Al Qaeda.<
He is merely asking people to fight on his side.
IF The Congress votes to prevent a Syrian attack—and Obama does order it anyway—the joint Chiefs would be within their rights to depose him, arrest him for treason, and rule as a Junta until free elections could be held. They could appoint a senator as President to serve out the remains of the Obama term—I would even support Interim President McCain. But a better choice would be Rand Paul or ....
I refer to Kearny's book, as he is the expert on the topic. He says that 48 hours is the critical period.
If likely, why the Saudi interest?
>Obama on the other hand is asking people to fight on the side of Al Qaeda.<
He is merely asking people to fight on his side.
His side means AQ/Moslem Bros. I think everyone understands that by now.
And in WW1 also.
I believe the 10000 year figure comes from bombs with a cobalt casing, not the ones we dropped on Japan. They can be made so the residual radiation is lingering and nasty, or they can be made so they kill the soft targets and leave the infrastructure (neutron bomb) with little residual radiation. It depends on what you want to do.
There will come a time in which even “the peons”, that is us, will NOT be obeyed.
The good ones have known it from the start - that so many are risking careers to protest is a sign that the military hasn't yet been subverted to the point it can be used to squash the People. Because of this "bad news" I fully expect some "steps" to be taken and word to be spread about the hazards of dissing the CIC. We just got a recent reminder that if classified is leaked and running around the web where any Tom,-Dick-Harry can see it, those in service of Uncle Sugar can be prosecuted for viewing the "offending material" even on personal computers. I guess we need to constantly clear our history/cache in case we hit a site that has some classified on it and we don't realize it - I'm sure it will be watched for and used to purge the "undesirables".
BTW - I retire while Klintoon was CIC - my signed papers will never grace my den wall...
When did we become Argentina, Bub? Batshit crazy.
“I ask you, just how insane do we have to be to enter into a war among the insane?”
Wonderful post. Thanks.