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Average Cost Of Obamacare 'Silver' Plan - $328 Per Month
forbes ^ | 9/29/2013 | Dan Munro

Posted on 10/02/2013 7:02:45 AM PDT by tobyhill

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This doesn't count the deductible, 30% patient responsibility and co-pays.

Good Luck stupid Libs!

1 posted on 10/02/2013 7:02:45 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Yeah what’s up with failing to mention deductibles???


2 posted on 10/02/2013 7:04:02 AM PDT by Principled
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To: tobyhill

Is that per person? If it is than a family of four would be over $1,300. per month plus co-pay and deductibles.


3 posted on 10/02/2013 7:05:46 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: tobyhill
From Obamacare Facebook page.

"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable.""

4 posted on 10/02/2013 7:05:49 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: tobyhill

Whaddayaknow, health insurance is expensive.


5 posted on 10/02/2013 7:06:25 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yup. More than my mortgage.


6 posted on 10/02/2013 7:06:42 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: tobyhill

The way I heard, you have to register for obamacare before you see what plans are available.

Talk about a scam...


7 posted on 10/02/2013 7:06:43 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: tobyhill

What happens when someone moves to another state, particularly moving from TX, a low-cost state, to IN, a high-cost state? Does the government get to pocket another premium?

Who thinks the same bunch that can’t keep track of military equipment and State Dept. computers can keep track of millions of health care policies? You have be be insane.


8 posted on 10/02/2013 7:06:43 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Principled

The deductible argument is a trap - because the only way, as in the ONLY way - to drive down medical costs is to have what the old “major medical” policies did, which was to cover only the big ticket item. The “insurance” was not expensive, because processing co pays and such is what makes a 50 dollar scrip cost 175 anyway, with a 20 or 50 dollar copay or whatever.

HHS has said that they would probably NOT allow private high deductible plans to remain. Here the libs may have swerved into a good idea, but of course, they won’t be smart enough to figure it out.


9 posted on 10/02/2013 7:07:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Principled
None of the insurance responsibility will kick in until the deductible is met. I wish the media would make sure these Obamanites know that the deductible is yearly. If you get sick in November then that's one deductible and then again in February that's another.
10 posted on 10/02/2013 7:08:12 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

It’s.. It’s.. not free?

Ain’t nobody got time fo’ dat.


11 posted on 10/02/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: riri

That is a very good account of the impact for all to read.


12 posted on 10/02/2013 7:08:52 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: tobyhill

“Federal Subsidy” no, we should start calling this “taxpayer funded subsidy”


13 posted on 10/02/2013 7:09:26 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: riri

’ $13,988 yearly deductible’

This is horrendous!


14 posted on 10/02/2013 7:09:28 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: riri

So very sorry that the feral government now has all your information and can threaten you and track you down until you submit. This shameful oppression of innocent citizens will lead to a massive lack of trust among those who had no idea this would happen.


15 posted on 10/02/2013 7:10:16 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: riri

More than almost ANY policy I have experience with.

What a boondoggle! Wait till people find out they will have to pay over three hundred per member of the family. They are going to poop! Insurance is supposed to protect your assets in the event of a catastrophic illness, not cause you to lose your assets just to pay for your premiums.

Good job Obama!


16 posted on 10/02/2013 7:10:44 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Yes, it’s one person. A family of 4 making $50,000 a year will be eligible for about a 40% subsidy, making their monthly premium around $780 a month.


17 posted on 10/02/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: riri

Do you have a link? (I don’t do Facebook)


18 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:41 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: riri
I bet the idiot also gave the Government their information too so it should be easy for the IRS agents to track them down.
19 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:50 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: riri

Are you ready to pick up a gun and fight them now?


20 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tobyhill

People will take to the streets before the year is out. Bastille Day is coming.


21 posted on 10/02/2013 7:13:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Innovative

The horror of a high deductible hits only those who thought the insurance was going to be free or cheap, and that it would cover everything.

When you decide, like our family has, to save about 9500 a year in premium to go from 1000 deductible to 10,000 deductible, with a health savings account, it’s a great way to insure. Amazing how inexpensive certain care can be when you tell the doctor, pharmacy, etc, you’re paying cash too.......


22 posted on 10/02/2013 7:14:18 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: riri
Seems like a odd posting. The max fine would be 2.5% of your family income or $2,085, which ever is more. Unless the 45-55K is not the total family income.

I have chosen to simply pay the graft to the Gov't and not get insurance.

23 posted on 10/02/2013 7:14:26 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: riri
my fine would be $4,037

The fine for the first year of no insurance is $95 or 1% of household income, whichever is higher. A fine of 4 grand implies an income of 400 grand.

24 posted on 10/02/2013 7:15:19 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree ( July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: tobyhill

WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM....Sign it, TODAY!!! 2,021,000 Signatures & climbing rapidly!!!


25 posted on 10/02/2013 7:16:55 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I dunno, I just cut and pasted. Perhaps, the website is calculating wrong. Either way, a total fluster cluck.


26 posted on 10/02/2013 7:17:09 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Don’t cloud the issue with facts.


27 posted on 10/02/2013 7:18:02 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: riri

Trust but verify. Until I see some other stories about the email regarding the drivers license suspension for non payment and the tax lien on your home for non-payment, call me skeptical.

I can easily believe the worst that our government can do, anonymous posting from Facebook? Not so much.


28 posted on 10/02/2013 7:18:09 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: tobyhill
A family of 4 making $50,000 a year will be eligible for about a 40% subsidy, making their monthly premium around $780 a month.

That's still hardly affordable. What world does Obama live in?

Oh, that's right; liberal fantasy world.
29 posted on 10/02/2013 7:19:56 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: Hoodat
Actually I got it from Breitbart. Let me see if I can go back and find it.

Link

It was posted about 11 hours ago by a "water28".

30 posted on 10/02/2013 7:20:10 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
And this from Twitter a couple of minutes ago:


31 posted on 10/02/2013 7:27:17 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: tobyhill

Here in Pittsburgh for example we seem to be isolated from the rate hikes happening across the country due to the silly slap-fight that is going on between Highmark and UPMC.

Both are saturating the airwaves with ads claiming the other party is the bad guy. Hence neither wants to raise rates right now and prove the claim.

If and when that ever gets resolved, I expect our rates to skyrocket.


32 posted on 10/02/2013 7:28:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Wolfie
health insurance is expensive

But it doesn't have to be. Congress could have reformed health care using free-market principles. But instead Congress chose centralized planning.

Sort of like the way Stalin "reformed" Russian agriculture in the 1920's.

33 posted on 10/02/2013 7:28:58 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: tobyhill

Is it a subsidy or a tax break?


34 posted on 10/02/2013 7:33:28 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: listenhillary
"It’s.. It’s.. not free?"


35 posted on 10/02/2013 7:34:25 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: tobyhill

That is almost 20% of their BEFORE tax income. Yes, very affordable!


36 posted on 10/02/2013 7:34:28 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: riri
""I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!!

Thanks for posting this. The Obozoliars have been very quiet about the deductible costs for their new medical care slaves.

37 posted on 10/02/2013 7:35:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

There are different fines for different things. I think the $95 is for the first year of no insurance. However, I just read an analysis by another person who said that even if you had an insurance policy, if it didn’t meet the O-care mandates, you could still face a $2k fine.

It appears that we STILL don’t know what’s in this legislation, even away from the fog of the original debate.


38 posted on 10/02/2013 7:35:55 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: riri

How could this guy’s fine be over $4,000 when he has a salary of $45,000?!?!

The fine is up to 1% of your salary (not sure if that is Adjusted Gross or total ... I wish someone could find this out for sure).

His max fine sould be no more than $450.


39 posted on 10/02/2013 7:38:27 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: tobyhill

There’s going to be one hell of an uprising when people see these costs!, not like the free Obunny phones, eh?


40 posted on 10/02/2013 7:42:31 AM PDT by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: Jim from C-Town

that’s my question; per individual?? husband/wife?? full family??


41 posted on 10/02/2013 7:43:16 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: riri

link???


42 posted on 10/02/2013 7:46:53 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Leaning Right

Oh, I agree. The easiest course would have been to do nothing. The day is soon coming when employers will no longer be able to afford providing insurance to their employees. Certainly not if the expect to compete globally. Once employer provided health insurance became extinct, people would have entered the insurance marketplace on their own.


43 posted on 10/02/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: riri

I saw that, too, then read this (below). Not sure what to believe!

Jacqui Griffiths
HEY LISTEN GUYS!!! A simple search revealed that HealthCare.gov, Will Sheehan, and Penelope Kay are all fictitious. There are no such people on facebook. This is another urban myth being banded about to get people up in arms about Obamacare.

Please, please, please refrain from propagating these lies and check everything before reposting them for all to see.

6 hours ago via mobile ·


44 posted on 10/02/2013 7:48:23 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Wolfie
'afford providing insurance to their employees.'

If they drop that, insurance will become more affordable for all. And, it will be cheaper for companies to create jobs here in Amerika. That is one of the main complaints from companies, the cost of healthcare.

45 posted on 10/02/2013 7:53:22 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: PoloSec
There are numerous calculators on the internet, most notably the one at Kaiser Foundation, in which you can calculate premiums and subsidies for all the plans in all the states.
46 posted on 10/02/2013 7:53:47 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: tobyhill

Obamacare is “TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.”

Obamacare has nothing to do with care, health or medical treatment.

Obamacare has everything to do with a mandatory insurance that everyone must buy at the point of the Federal gun.

Obamacare Medical Insurance premiums are under the control of the IRS.

These insurance premiums can be raised every year by the IRS with no involvement by Congress.

Thus, all the present and future Democrat rulers have to do is tell the IRS how much taxpayer dollars need to be forcefully extracted from the taxpayers, and the IRS will extract the money for them.

Hence, Obamacare Insurance is “ taxation without representation” that Traitor John Roberts of THE NINE SUPREMES has ruled it to be above the control of the US Congress, and it will stay until Obamacare is ABOLISHED!


47 posted on 10/02/2013 7:58:30 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: tobyhill

With that kind of deductible ($13,800), the policy holder is essentially paying premiums every month for nothing. They might as well flush that $400 a month down the toilet.


48 posted on 10/02/2013 7:58:44 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: tobyhill

There are going to be more people without insurance now than before Obamacare came on the scene. The idea of the New World Order is to decrease the population of the world. There are about 7 to 8 billion on the earth now. I read that the NWO bunch thinks the earth should only have about 500 million humans so that Mother Earth as they all it will survive. So, once in charge, killing the old and abortion will rule as they kill off people. That is the plan. It is in writing and many of them have said it.


49 posted on 10/02/2013 8:01:56 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: tobyhill
Oh, the screams from the low-info Obama partisans will echo across the land when they discover that ‘free’ healthcare isn't exactly what they thought it was.
50 posted on 10/02/2013 8:02:02 AM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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