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Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president? [Yes! And I support him! JimRob]
YAHOO NEWS ^ | 10-29-13 | Sarah Helene Duggin | National Constitution Center

Posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360

"For Cruz, Schwarzenegger, and a number of other potential candidates, the Natural Born Citizenship Clause raises a critical question: Is anyone born outside the United States constitutionally eligible to serve as president?""

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: born; citizen; cruz; natural; naturalborncitizen
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1 posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Paul46360

if obama is, who isn’t


2 posted on 10/28/2013 7:20:01 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Paul46360

Obama has made the point moot. His father’s Kenyan birth should have disqualified him.


3 posted on 10/28/2013 7:20:46 AM PDT by GeorgeTex (Obama-The Ultimate Terrorist Weapon.)
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To: Paul46360

Cruz...yes..Arnold no


4 posted on 10/28/2013 7:21:03 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Paul46360
This question has been settled on FR. Several freepers have been zotted over the subject. Cruz is eligible.

/johnny

5 posted on 10/28/2013 7:21:08 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paul46360

I thought we threw out that rule?!!


6 posted on 10/28/2013 7:22:23 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: GeorgeTex
His father’s Kenyan birth should have disqualified him.

Well, now you see what the Left's narrative is: since Obama was born in Hawaii (they say), his parentage was irrelevant to citizenship.

Once again, the law doesn't apply to His Obamaness.

7 posted on 10/28/2013 7:22:50 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

well then i guess debate is not optional here


8 posted on 10/28/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Paul46360

omgawd! enough about this already! Cruz and Arnold are not in the same position birth-wise... Arnold is not eligible... Ted Cruz is... just as John McCain was/is...


9 posted on 10/28/2013 7:22:58 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Paul46360

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts


10 posted on 10/28/2013 7:23:11 AM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: Paul46360

Dear Sarah Helene Duggin,

Please FO!


11 posted on 10/28/2013 7:23:46 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Paul46360
well then i guess debate is not optional here

not so... but this topic is played out... debated to death... beating a dead horse...

12 posted on 10/28/2013 7:24:11 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Paul46360
Not on this subject. Jim has said this isn't a debating society for pro-liberal subjects.

/johnny

13 posted on 10/28/2013 7:24:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paul46360

Yes. Next question.


14 posted on 10/28/2013 7:25:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Paul46360

Yes, he is. Stop beating this dead horse.

“Natural born citizen” means nothing more and nothing less than citizen via birthright. It does not depend on actual location of birth, merely that you are a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth.

There is no law, case law, or Constitutional language that defines the term otherwise.


15 posted on 10/28/2013 7:25:26 AM PDT by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: Paul46360

Is Barack Hussein Osama a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president?


16 posted on 10/28/2013 7:25:33 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare should have been tested on politicians before being released to the public!)
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To: Paul46360

Yes, he is.


17 posted on 10/28/2013 7:28:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: kevkrom
There is no law, case law, or Constitutional language that defines the term otherwise.

There is no law, case law, or Constitutional language that defines the word "the" either, but we all know what it means.

It means the same thing as it did when they wrote the Constitution.

18 posted on 10/28/2013 7:28:51 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Paul46360

EGADS, please not this again.


19 posted on 10/28/2013 7:28:58 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: Paul46360
Uh, of course he is.

And no matter how many megs of amateur commentary on Vattel anyone posts, he is remains eligible.

20 posted on 10/28/2013 7:29:29 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: latina4dubya
McCain was different that either Cruz or Obama. He was born to two US citizen parents in the US controlled territory of the Panama Canal Zone. (I don't know if the Zone was counted the same as Guam or Puerto Rico would be, or Arizona Territory for Goldwater was).

What we really need now is a statutory definition of "natural born citizen". Does the person have to be born in a state? A US territory? How many citizen parents are needed? Is "natural born" a third class of citizen separate from naturalized and at birth, or is it just another wording for citizen at birth? What about people with multiple citizenships? I've heard lots of arguments both ways but no one as shown me a line in either the United States code or a definitive definition from English common law at the time of the Revolution.

21 posted on 10/28/2013 7:30:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Of course he is, NBC is a meaningless term now. FR,the courts have deemed it to be meaningless. And, Obama has a forged BC to back up his status, that is a lot more than Cruz or Arnold have.


22 posted on 10/28/2013 7:31:53 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Paul46360
Schwarzenegger
Why do these nimrods keep bringing up that moron. He's naturalized citizen for pete's sake. And Cruz's mother was an American Citizen(1). Case closed.

(1)It's why I don't give a dam where Barry o'Mugabe was *born* his mother was an American citizen, the end.

23 posted on 10/28/2013 7:31:59 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: latina4dubya
Arnold is not eligible

Yes he is! Arnold was born in Hawaii, and as a child moved to Austria. Once Arnold figures out how to work a printer he'll be happy to show you the proof.

24 posted on 10/28/2013 7:32:10 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Paul46360

Yes, people born outside the US can be president.
It is about citizenship and Cruz is a US citizen.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 7:33:23 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: Paul46360

Acyually, the “National Constitution Center” seems to be made up of the most remarkable enemies of the US Constitition. It houses the Annenberg Foundation, it calls Obama’s speeches “pivotal” amd the trustees and board are Bill Clinton and GHW Bush. And on ond on.

Standard Dem procedure: invade, infest and take over.


26 posted on 10/28/2013 7:35:23 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: rrrod

Arny became a citizen, Cruz was a citizen at birth


27 posted on 10/28/2013 7:36:54 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: Paul46360

Does Sarah believe that the Kenyan in the White Hut is Constitutionally qualified to be President?


28 posted on 10/28/2013 7:37:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Paul46360

To many he is not eligible because he is the best candidate.


30 posted on 10/28/2013 7:38:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: alancarp

No, the law that was enacted in the late 1800s states that anyone who has a parent of natural citizenship is eligible.

In Obama’s case it was his mother. Cruz is eligible.


31 posted on 10/28/2013 7:39:51 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: faucetman
Jim has made it clear that Cruz is eligible, and it's not for debate on FR. Take it up with Jim.

/johnny

32 posted on 10/28/2013 7:40:11 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paul46360
I really don't care what the Constitution states "at this point what difference does it make?".

If Obama qualifies then Ahnold Schwarzenegger also qualifies and I would like the media to bring this up front and center. Then once and for all we can determine that everything done at the Federal level for the past five years has been illegal.
33 posted on 10/28/2013 7:42:10 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Paul46360
well then i guess debate is not optional here

Oh, please. What is your motivation for debating this question in 2013 on FR? There is no worthy purpose for conservatism to debate this question ... added to that fact that it has been done a THOUSAND TIMES already!

If you want to debate about Ted Cruz ... how about Ted Cruz vs. Ricky Santorum, and who has done more harm?

34 posted on 10/28/2013 7:42:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: All

Now, now everyone. Yahoo news is just doing their investigative reporting like they did with Zer0.


35 posted on 10/28/2013 7:45:09 AM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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To: Paul46360; Graewoulf; lonevoice; americas.best.days...; GregoTX; Alissa; ...
Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!

More Eligibility nonsense
36 posted on 10/28/2013 7:46:02 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: faucetman

It has been settled in the opposite direction from your claim.

All your restatements to the contrary, it’s settled.

It is settled here on FR.

Repeating it ad nauseum is like yelling into a hurricane wind.

DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.

Why do you like Ted Cruz if you think he is so STUPID - albeit a wildly successful student of the Constitution, attorney, Solicitor General of Texas, clerk for Chief Justice William Rehnquist and arguer of successful cases before the Supreme Court - that YOU know he isn’t eligible but HE knows he is.

To be consistent, you should not say you like him BUT...

Get it?

He’s either a liar or stupid if one tries to follow your “logic”.

Yet you like him?

That makes your screeds ridiculous.


37 posted on 10/28/2013 7:46:16 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: mykroar

Do they have a comment section?


38 posted on 10/28/2013 7:46:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Paul46360
We should expect a thousand stories like these with many on the left going Full Birther.

And just in case nobody remembers, it was the Democrats who brought up
the Birther issue from the Hillary Camp in 2008 concerning Obama.
So, Don't let your leftist friends forget that.

39 posted on 10/28/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Paul46360

Oh its optional, sort of like its optional to pee on an electric fence.


40 posted on 10/28/2013 7:50:00 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Well, if I remember, O’s mother simply wasn’t old enough to satisfy the citizen criterium. So O isn’t a natural born citizen.

No such problem with Cruz.


41 posted on 10/28/2013 7:52:41 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Paul46360

Not that it matters a whole lot but you may want to review this 1000+ post thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts?

CATO Institute: Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President


42 posted on 10/28/2013 7:54:36 AM PDT by deport
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To: Paul46360

A person can be either a) a naturalized citizen or b) a citizen at birth who does not require naturalization. There is no in-between. Cruz is the latter.

This thread link is posted on the forum page; you might have missed it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3060736/posts


43 posted on 10/28/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Paul46360

No but, I will support him never the less.

He is more American than a good many Americans


44 posted on 10/28/2013 7:55:12 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Paul46360

Aw, jeez... (you know the rest)


45 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Paul46360

Notice that Yahoo lumps Cruz with Schwartzenegger, who clearly is ineligible.


46 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:12 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Servant of the Cross; Paul46360
What is your motivation for debating this question in 2013 on FR?
Paul46360
47 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:34 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Paul46360

If Obama is considered a citizen, then ANYBODY is considered a citizen. He has basically said anyone who is living in the country is a citizen. So . . . . . . . even Hitler, Stalin, Satan and Obama are American citizens.


48 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Sarah ignores that question.

Finally, the natural born citizenship clause is both an anomaly and an anachronism. The way in which the clause differentiates among United States citizens is contrary to the overall spirit of the Constitution; the risk that foreign nobility will infiltrate our government is long past; and place of birth is a poor surrogate for loyalty to one’s homeland in our increasingly mobile society and our ever more interconnected world. The best solution would be to amend the Constitution, as many legislators on both sides of the aisle have proposed over the years. In the absence of an amendment, the clause should be narrowly interpreted.

Sarah Helene Duggin is Professor of Law and Director of the Law and Public Policy Program for the Columbus School of Law at the Catholic University of America. She has authored several academic articles


49 posted on 10/28/2013 7:58:50 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: GeorgeTex

“His father’s Kenyan birth should have disqualified him.”

And possibly his adoption by an Indonesian citizen residing in Indonesia.


50 posted on 10/28/2013 8:01:05 AM PDT by DBrow
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