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Could 2014 rescue Obama from Obamacare debacle?
Yahoo! News ^ | November 21, 2013 | Olivier Knox

Posted on 11/21/2013 11:17:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Can President Barack Obama heal his second term from the self-inflicted wounds of Obamacare? How?

The usual inside-the-Beltway doctors are offering the usual inside-the-Beltway prescriptions: Amputate! (He should fire someone.) Transfusion! (Bring new blood into his insular circle, ideally someone who can say “no” to him and have it count.)

Inside the White House, one remedy dominates the discussion. As Obama himself said Nov. 14: Things may turn around “if we can just get the darn website working and smooth this thing out.” Aides say that growing numbers of Americans signing up for health insurance will defend those benefits — making it harder for Republicans to rally wavering Democrats behind crippling the Affordable Care Act.

Dig a little more, and administration officials confess to hoping that a steadily improving economy could be a political cure-all. “The No. 1 priority has and will be economic progress,” White House press secretary Jay Carney said Nov. 4....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; obama; obamacare; polls
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1 posted on 11/21/2013 11:17:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the question should be “can the media rescue Obama from Obamacare?”


2 posted on 11/21/2013 11:22:14 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only way to get free of the quagmire is to ditch the program.


3 posted on 11/21/2013 11:22:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Aides say that growing numbers of Americans signing up for health insurance will defend those benefits — making it harder for Republicans to rally wavering Democrats behind crippling the Affordable Care Act.

The 90-100 million that are going to lose their plan will override anyone currently enrolled.

4 posted on 11/21/2013 11:23:02 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Come 2014 there are going to be a lot of angry people who don’t like being forced to buy a sack of crap.


5 posted on 11/21/2013 11:26:35 PM PST by pallis
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To: Vince Ferrer

Also these new plans will prove to not be worth the paper they were drafted on, as finding medicos to service them will become quite difficult.

There will be a huge outcry between the two for a return to a sane, private system. Government will not be seen as a viable source of a solution, not with the way it bumbled this puppy.

Hubris, meet nemesis.


6 posted on 11/21/2013 11:27:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fine doesn’t even go towards a credit for health care. Imagine a young person pays the fine for 20 years.


7 posted on 11/21/2013 11:29:34 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama should “go out and talk about immigration. Talk about the economy. Talk about gay rights. Climate. Promise to close Gitmo[Guantanamo Bay],”

Yeah, that’s the ticket.


8 posted on 11/21/2013 11:30:17 PM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Excellence

Talk about gun-grabbing. See if he can get those poll numbers into the teens.


9 posted on 11/21/2013 11:32:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s the reply to “I will not buy this record; it is scratched”?


10 posted on 11/21/2013 11:37:33 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More people than ever are going to have to choose between food and 0bama-Care. They need to start voting their stomachs instead of their sex parts.


11 posted on 11/21/2013 11:41:44 PM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“if we can just get the darn website working and smooth this thing out.”

This has been the plan for many months.

On July 2 Obama announced a year delay for business with 50 or more employees. Why?

As a contingency.

Because in March[1,2] he was briefed on a report warning of the potential for system failure that could make the health care exchanges inaccessible to consumers trying to buy insurance through them.

Most people have insurance through their employer.

By delaying the mandate for employers he minimized the number of persons effected by a non-functioning website.

His illegal delay decree ought to be declared by Congress as irrelevant, of no force, and DEMAND that the law be enforced. DO NOT GIVE OBAMA THE LUXURY OF TIME. TIME IS NOT OUR ALLY.

DO NOT CEDE TIME TO OBAMA.


[1] http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-house-obama-was-aware-of-march-report-on-website-problems/article/2539423

[2] http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/19/us-usa-healthcare-idUSBRE9AI18920131119

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/19/white-house-despite-assurances-knew-obamacare-glit/

12 posted on 11/21/2013 11:47:37 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

Oh, time is a friend now. Because God is just a-layin’ the hammer of consequences down now.

And the longer the Rats take? The more hammered they get.

Let them choose whether to fix (abolish) it quick, or do it slow. And take accordingly less or more punishment.

Works for me!


13 posted on 11/21/2013 11:51:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Dig a little more, and administration officials confess to hoping that a steadily improving economy could be a political cure-all.”

With plans to accomplish that by stealing what’s left of everyone’s disposable income.


14 posted on 11/21/2013 11:52:14 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Vince Ferrer

“Aides say that growing numbers of Americans signing up for health insurance will defend those benefits”

It’s the oldest trick in the book. Get as many mouths at the trough as possible, then when you pull it away all the squealing pigs will fight you.


15 posted on 11/21/2013 11:53:31 PM PST by Ray76
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To: ToastedHead

Nothing but more workers will improve an economy in the long run.

That’s why easy immigrant work policies make a perverted kind of sense.

Doing the work that Americans are too filled up with lies to do!


16 posted on 11/21/2013 11:54:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ray76

Except... I think the trough is going to be filled with stuff that acutely disappoints. Doctors don’t YET have to accept these plans, and would rebel en masse if they were ordered to (not to mention Constitutional protections).


17 posted on 11/21/2013 11:55:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Can President Barack Obama heal his second term from the self-inflicted wounds of Obamacare? How? “

By resigning immediately....Obama and “big f’n deal) Biden.

The Speaker of the House would then be president and we would have new elections...

But that ain’t gonna happen...


18 posted on 11/21/2013 11:56:09 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Time is Obama’s ally. He’s betting on the website being operational by the time the vast majority of people lose their insurance.

Sure, that insurance will be more expensive, BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE. Unlike now when it is not available.


19 posted on 11/21/2013 11:56:18 PM PST by Ray76
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think this whole thing is over by the end of the month, or soon after. Every single day, thousands of low-information voters are discovering how terrible “Obamacare” is.

The Libs went a bridge too far, or maybe two of them. They angered much of their low-info base, and actually made them go looking for more info.

The whole thing is a miscalculation of astonishing proportions.

With so many low-infos being dropped from their insurance plans, and checking out how much they’ll have to pay for comparable “Obamacare” ... Well, I can’t see them being fanboys or fangirls of the lame duck very much longer.


20 posted on 11/21/2013 11:56:20 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Ray76
It’s the oldest trick in the book. Get as many mouths at the trough as possible, then when you pull it away all the squealing pigs will fight you.

Promise them, "If you like your plan, you can keep it."

21 posted on 11/21/2013 11:56:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Ray76

And serviced by just whom?

It’s going to make the old stuff look like gold.

God ain’t mocked here, bud. Let the Democrats choose the duration of their agony. And be anxious not.


22 posted on 11/21/2013 11:57:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Cold Heat

There would not be “new elections” in that instance until 2016. Mr. Boehner would be president until at least January 2017, just as Gerald Ford served out Richard Nixon’s second term.


23 posted on 11/21/2013 11:58:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m not mocking God. I don’t know where you get that idea.


24 posted on 11/21/2013 11:59:32 PM PST by Ray76
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even a President Boehner would be head and shoulders above Big O and Slow Joe.


25 posted on 11/22/2013 12:00:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK.....was not sure about that....


26 posted on 11/22/2013 12:00:12 AM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The only way to get free of the quagmire is to ditch the program.

They're screwed if the do, screwed if they don't. Even the idiots are going to feel the pain. They can't hide that, this time.
27 posted on 11/22/2013 12:00:17 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Ray76

You speak fallacies.

I primarily refer to DEMOCRATS being unable to mock God.

Look, they are taunting the Lion of Judah who is also the Great Physician. Do you really want it to be over with quick? They need the time to learn the lesson good.


28 posted on 11/22/2013 12:01:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We’re gonna end up having to legalize pot just to get the tax dollars to fund SS/Medicare. Immigrants will be a net loss if they all qualify for subsidized air/food/health.


29 posted on 11/22/2013 12:02:10 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I never stated differently. Heck, a president 2ndDivisionvet or HiTeck RedNeck would be vastly superior to the current regime or cankles.


30 posted on 11/22/2013 12:03:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you wanted to elect me president I would not refuse.

But I am not sure I could deal with all the Washington egos. I think I’d give them all conniption fits.


31 posted on 11/22/2013 12:04:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I speak fallacies? Yeah ok, whatever. You’re not making much sense vis-a-vis anything that I’ve posted.

Maranantha. Good night.


32 posted on 11/22/2013 12:06:16 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Ray76

Time for Chief Supreme, John Roberts, to make amends and declare the whole mess, tweaks and all, unconstitutional.


33 posted on 11/22/2013 12:06:50 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d be the first really redneck president. Jimmy Carter didn’t really have a red neck. He just pretended to.


34 posted on 11/22/2013 12:07:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ray76

I’m not sure you want to blithely beg a “maranatha.” Not without getting right about things. You’d get rebuked. Of course I don’t make sense to you and I don’t expect to until you repent.


35 posted on 11/22/2013 12:08:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

President Carter was a prig and a goo-goo. The morale at the White House went WAY up when President Reagan came into office, believe me. Even among us spear carriers.


36 posted on 11/22/2013 12:08:47 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: luvbach1

That would be called feeding a new case to the USSC based on Constitutional provisions about taxes.


37 posted on 11/22/2013 12:09:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ray76

Here’s a new thread: 2015 Obamacare Enrollment Will Be Delayed Until Just After the Midterms

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3094223/posts

Now it really is “good night”


38 posted on 11/22/2013 12:09:37 AM PST by Ray76
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Prigs are not God trusting people. They think they can come up with a moral code that stands alone. Never worked, never will.


39 posted on 11/22/2013 12:10:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s him. Woodrow Wilson without the charm, but with all the racism.


40 posted on 11/22/2013 12:11:58 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: Ray76

What, you didn’t keep your promise? And you are talking to yourself?

Anyhow, let the Democrats choose the speed of their passage through a well earned hell on earth. This has become a non plus ultra. And it’s God’s grand lesson in teaching a people to appreciate how wrong lies are and how right the Truth is.


41 posted on 11/22/2013 12:12:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A form of religion [godliness], but denying its power.”


42 posted on 11/22/2013 12:15:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Could 2014 rescue Obama from Obamacare debacle?

No, nothing can. 0bamaCare has been set in motion and nothing can stop its inevitable implosion.

43 posted on 11/22/2013 12:29:12 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> Aides say that growing numbers of Americans signing up for health insurance will defend those benefits — making it harder for Republicans to rally wavering Democrats behind crippling the Affordable Care Act. Dig a little more, and administration officials confess to hoping that a steadily improving economy could be a political cure-all...

As part of pro-Obamacare meme-building, media’s trumpeting the 22% gain in the DJ 30 for 2013, without any of the leftist redistributionist naysayers (like Obama, for instance) claiming that this is just another case of the Haves enriching themselves at the expense of the Have Nots.

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


44 posted on 11/22/2013 12:30:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Ray76
There is a money making opportunity here for some smart docs who accept nO insurance but accept cash only. They could dominate enough of the market that they would be quite a force to reckon with.
By not allowing insurance they cut the expense of the overhead of a staff. Cash only is a huge market equalizer. Also allows a reduction of the costs of care and procedures that will allow market domination.
The lower prices would cause other doctors (insurance types) to try to compete throwing the market into a mini battle. Non-insurance docs who offer lower prices would really make obamacare patients want to not be on obamacare causing the younger and non heavy users to rebel.
45 posted on 11/22/2013 12:31:18 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dem's do & voted!)
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To: JSteff

What has also worked is single-office health maintenance plans. Anything that can be treated in the office is treated, for a flat monthly fee. No more insurance bookkeeping, just a list of the patients and the minimal billing overhead for the subscription.


46 posted on 11/22/2013 12:33:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ray76

I don’t think young people will ever sign up unless they are already in the system.


47 posted on 11/22/2013 2:11:31 AM PST by des
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To: Ray76
Inside the White House, one remedy dominates the discussion. As Obama himself said Nov. 14: Things may turn around “if we can just get the darn website working and smooth this thing out.” Aides say that growing numbers of Americans signing up for health insurance will defend those benefits — making it harder for Republicans to rally wavering Democrats behind crippling the Affordable Care Act.

Well, there's a little problem with that. A couple of them, actually.

The first is that the website's functional problems (to "customers") are merely a surface scratch. The fatal wound(s) are the security vulnerabilities. The problems were built in right from the start, and now there are half a BILLION lines of code written (with even more yet to come just to complete the site.) This cannot be fixed easily, and these people are presently too trapped in what they've created, or are too ignorant, or too arrogant, or more likely all the above, to understand how bad it is. Any person or business entity with an account on healthcare.gov should assume any "data" they gave to healthcare.gov is in the hands of hackers. I'd give you 50/50 odds the Iranians have it, and I'm sure simple theft is the least of their intentions.

Worse, these fools apparently don't understand that the more people who sign up, the greater the security disaster. (Most of) the "pigs" who would squeal at the loss of their health care are going to be even more upset when they find out what identity thieves will do to them.

48 posted on 11/22/2013 3:33:17 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SORRY commies but reid just killed dim rule for decades.


49 posted on 11/22/2013 3:47:12 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That would be called feeding a new case to the USSC based on Constitutional provisions about taxes.

That would be a good idea. After the fiasco that has been the Obamacare roll-out, Roberts should not feel obligated to give the Obamanation another get-out-of-jail-free card.

50 posted on 11/22/2013 4:30:23 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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