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Newt Gingrich: What Would You Have Done? Nelson Mandela and American Conservatives
Gingrich Productions ^ | December 6, 2013 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 12/07/2013 2:16:29 PM PST by EveningStar

Yesterday I issued a heartfelt and personal statement about the passing of President Nelson Mandela. I said that his family and his country would be in my prayers and Callista’s prayers.

I was surprised by the hostility and vehemence of some of the people who reacted to me saying a kind word about a unique historic figure.

So let me say to those conservatives who don’t want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?

Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.

What would you have done faced with that crushing government?

What would you do here in America if you had that kind of oppression?

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To: DoodleDawg

Were you there? Did you live there?


21 posted on 12/07/2013 2:28:40 PM PST by Ironfocus
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To: EveningStar
Newt actually draws a parallel between Washington and the freedom fighters of the American Revolution and Mandela and the terrorism that tried to take down the National Party in South Africa.

Mandela in his own words admits to such violence.

“When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.”

22 posted on 12/07/2013 2:28:42 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: EveningStar

I’m surprised no one has drug old Menachem Begin out of his grave.. Oppression is not exclusive to any race or peoples on this planet.

Violence happens .. But when innocent women and children are targeted.. Regardless of cause,, you lose in my book,, so for all those apologists who keep trying to re-glaze the cake, sorry, no sale.

We all face struggles, Newt.. Go study more of the history of the land.,, tribal violence happened long before European man showed up.

It’s a part of life we ought not enjoy but we have to endure , especially at times like this where the praise gets the airtime. The truth is irrelevant..


23 posted on 12/07/2013 2:30:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: ealgeone

Why Nelson Mandela Loved Fidel Castro

Americans generally view Nelson Mandela as a hero and Fidel Castro as a villain. Mandela saw things differently.

The South African leader’s nationalist and anti-imperialist stances collided head on with the world’s superpower and gave him a lot in common with its Cuban archenemy. Mandela embraced the former Cuban dictator because he opposed apartheid and represented the aspirations of Third World nationalists that the United States undermined across the globe during the Cold War.

As it did for many leftists in the Global South, the Cuban Revolution’s triumph in 1959 inspired Mandela. Charged with the task of starting a guerrilla army in 1961, he looked to the writings of Cuban Communists for guidance.

“Any and every source was of interest to me,” Mandela wrote in his 2008 autobiography. “I read the report of Blas Roca, the general secretary of the Community Party of Cuba, about their years as an illegal organization during the Batista regime. In Commando, by Deneys Reitz, I read of the unconventional guerrilla tactics of the Boer generals during the Anglo-Boer War. I read works by and about Che Guevara, Mao Tse-tung, Fidel Castro.”

Mandela’s admiration for the Cuban Revolution only grew with time. Cuba under Castro opposed apartheid and supported the African National Congress — Mandela’s political organization and the current ruling party. Mandela credited Cuba’s military support to Angola in the 1970s and 1980s with helping to debilitate South Africa’s government enough to result in the legalization of the ANC in 1990.

The U.S. government, on the other hand, reportedly played a role in Mandela’s 1962 arrest and subsequently branded him a terrorist — a designation they only rescinded in 2008. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan vetoed the Anti-Apartheid Act.

Given this history, it shouldn’t be surprising that Mandela remained sharply critical of the United States into his later life. When the George W. Bush administration announced plans to invade Iraq in 2003, Mandela said: “If there’s a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/06/nelson-mandela-castro_n_4400212.html


24 posted on 12/07/2013 2:30:18 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: EveningStar; All
If Newt had any class, he would have shrugged off the comments, and let it go. Instead, he let his ego take the bait, and printed something to embarrass us all and hand fuel to the Left.

This is not a leader.

25 posted on 12/07/2013 2:30:24 PM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: EveningStar

I am sorry. I would never use a necklace on anyone no matter what they did. I would just shoot them rather than torture them. Apartheid was not right. No one is saying otherwise. But it would have fallen just like the Berlin wall over time. As it is now blacks are not better off. So the transition was mismanaged by communist leaning Mandela who doesnt understand economics. He may have been charasmatic but he wasnt very smart on economics or he would not have asked China and Vietnam for advice.


26 posted on 12/07/2013 2:33:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: EveningStar
What would you have done faced with that crushing government?

Well, I'd become a Communist and marry a serial murderer, just like he did, Newt.

27 posted on 12/07/2013 2:33:55 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: EveningStar
Interesting timing. While viewing this post I just received an email from Still Waters Books Revival, with a 2 minute clip of Peter Hammond talking about his meeting with Nelson Mandela...Not particularly effusive in his praise

Peter Hammond - My Meeting with Nelson Mandela

28 posted on 12/07/2013 2:35:28 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Oliviaforever
Newt actually draws a parallel between Washington and the freedom fighters of the American Revolution and Mandela and the terrorism that tried to take down the National Party in South Africa.

That's the same foolishness that makes a false equivalency between Evangelical Christians and muzzies. The left, course, does that all the time. And now Newt is in that camp as well.

29 posted on 12/07/2013 2:35:51 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: EveningStar

Chopping off heads and necklacing hundreds of blacks and blowing up innocent people is NOT what I would have done Newtie


30 posted on 12/07/2013 2:37:09 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: liberalh8ter
You've hit it.
I can barely believe I once called myself a Newt Gingrich conservative.

What would I have done? Well, obviously join the Communist Party and murder innocent people with bombs!

While we're at it, I don't see what's so terrible about Apartheid. We have a culture that doesn't want to be overrun and puts up barriers to the subcontinent immigrants. What did Mandela need to "liberate" himself from? Don't like it? Leave!

P.S. Before the dummies respond to this post, please consider the fact that I'M BLACK.

31 posted on 12/07/2013 2:37:35 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Ironfocus
Were you there? Did you live there?

No, and I suspect neither were you. But what happened was pretty well documented, so where was Newt wrong?

32 posted on 12/07/2013 2:38:31 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: EveningStar

Hey Newt, you asked a question.

What email address should I send the response to??


33 posted on 12/07/2013 2:38:49 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: DoodleDawg

everything

Mandela was fighting for Marxist ideology her did not fight for freedom. His terror group probably killed more blacks than whites. They killed innocent people instead of government soldiers.


34 posted on 12/07/2013 2:39:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Why do you put yourself in the position of defending the Apartheid regime, which was more oppressive than Southern segregation ever was? Never as bad as the Belgium Congo at its worse, or German East Africa, but an unjust regime nonetheless. Thanks to Mandela, South Africa has not become one of the hell-holes found to the North. Not yet, anyway.


35 posted on 12/07/2013 2:41:42 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: EveningStar

I really know very little about this situation. Apartheid was probably more vicious than segregation in America. If you really believe in those words in the Declaration of Independence and in the kind of Enlightenment Thinking which helped produce America, its hard to disagree with Gingrich.

I feel he is right.


36 posted on 12/07/2013 2:43:01 PM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: stormhill
Before the dummies respond to this post, please consider the fact that I'M BLACK.

Well, Newtie has revealed his color as well. He's pink.

By the way, I appreciate this wisdom in your post.

37 posted on 12/07/2013 2:44:22 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: DoodleDawg; Ironfocus

Ironfocus does indeed say he is from South Africa.

Mandela was a Marxist terrorist who slaughtered innocent people black and white alike. (see necklacing) Not in the name of freedom, but in the name of Marxism. Even while in prison he signed off on bombings, like the Church Street Bombing that killed 19 and wounded 200. He admitted this in his book.

He hand wrote an essay called “How to be a Good Communist” which was posted on FR in a 2004 thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1255245/posts

Botha offered to let him out of prison if he renounced violence. He refused.

His Truth & Reconciliation Commission covered up and ignored the terror crimes of the ANC. Mandela was never called to testify about his activities.

There was nothing good or correct about anything Mandela has ever done. Even as President he spent more effort building the military and corporate favoritism than helping the poor. Like a good commie I guess.


38 posted on 12/07/2013 2:47:37 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Nervous Tick
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With all due respect ... Stick a sock in your own pie hole ...

Did you actually read Newt's complete article ?

I did.

Was Nelson Mandela a flawed individual ?

Absolutely.

If you have any doubts about genuinely "great" American patriots being flawed, go ahead and read Gen. George Patton Jr.s biography.

I selected my Free Republic "poster name" even after knowing all of that.



Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...

Nelson Mandela "could have" started an "ethic purge" of South African whites that would have made Hilter, Mao and Stalin green with envy.

Mandel chose the right path, and did not initiate genocide.

To be fair, are the remaining ANC black racists sharpening their knives for that racil genocide.

You bet.

But that wasn't Mandela's choice.



"Forgiveness" on a SCALE THAT NONE OF US CAN FATHOM ...

especially as "Christians" ...

is Nelson's Mandela's great legacy.

Mandela could have had his prision guards, and their families and friends ...

"all" butchered like dogs ...

Yet Mandela extended "mercy".



Obama, and the slavish MSM who worship the pathetic kenyad bastard, isn't worthy to led a hand to Mandela while he was in the toilet.

Obama ... hasn't the class, breeding, intelligence, decency, or courage that Mandela had.



Again ... Newt Gingrich demonstrated that he is "indeed" the intellectual and moral leader of American Conservatives with his remarks about Nelson Mandela.



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39 posted on 12/07/2013 2:48:37 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Swine Piss be upon the Sodmite Obama, and his Child-Rapist False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: ilovesarah2012

So you are arguing for apartheid? His ruling and the ANC post-Apartheid is bad. But you simply are being foolish or worse if you are going to downplay what he accomplished before the ANC ruined that country.


40 posted on 12/07/2013 2:50:46 PM PST by aft_lizard
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