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Newt Gingrich: What Would You Have Done? Nelson Mandela and American Conservatives
Gingrich Productions ^ | December 6, 2013 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 12/07/2013 2:16:29 PM PST by EveningStar

Yesterday I issued a heartfelt and personal statement about the passing of President Nelson Mandela. I said that his family and his country would be in my prayers and Callista’s prayers.

I was surprised by the hostility and vehemence of some of the people who reacted to me saying a kind word about a unique historic figure.

So let me say to those conservatives who don’t want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?

Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.

What would you have done faced with that crushing government?

What would you do here in America if you had that kind of oppression?

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To: GeronL
everything

Everything? So blacks in South Africa enjoyed full rights and the same freedoms whites did? There was no secret police and nobody got jailed for opposing the government? Wow. Who knew?

Mandela was fighting for Marxist ideology her did not fight for freedom.

Well he didn't have any to begin with.

His terror group probably killed more blacks than whites. They killed innocent people instead of government soldiers.

I have no way of knowing if that is right or wrong, but if history tells us anything it's that rebellions and guerilla wars tend to be more vicious than conventional wars. But if I'm faced with a life where I have no rights or freedoms, where my every move is controlled by a police state, and where there is little chance of it changing then I'm not sure I wouldn't fight against by oppressor using any means necessary.

41 posted on 12/07/2013 2:55:42 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: EveningStar

We know what you would have done, Newt. You definitely go for where you get the most love. If you cosy cuddled up to Nasty Pelosi over GLOBAL WARMING, you’d have cuddled up to Russia and Castro for sure. And you’d be on your 4th Winnie by now, with a few secretaries on the table for dictation...


42 posted on 12/07/2013 2:57:08 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: GeronL

Weren’t most civilians killed while he was in prison ? Violence would have happened from more radical groups anyway that would have made the ANC completely irrelevant.


43 posted on 12/07/2013 2:57:28 PM PST by erlayman
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To: erlayman

In his book he admitted he signed off on those bombings/attacks. He was still leading the terror group from prison.


44 posted on 12/07/2013 3:00:23 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: EveningStar

Politically Motivated Murders in South Africa from 1994 to 2012:
Whites Murdered by Blacks

Since 1994, more than 60000 (if not 60000, I apologize profusely and you can replace the number with ‘a shitload’ - these numbers come from various other sites - and they have increased since I wrote this article - Google ‘muldersdrift’) white South Africans have been murdered of which more than 4000 were commercial farmers. Exact figures are very hard to come by as the South African police fail to report most of the murders that take place. There is also no distinction between white and black victims in crime records.

The estimated number of whites sounds like a lot. But it’s pretty much common knowledge around the world that there are 50+ murders PER DAY in SA. From 1994 to 2013, that’s around 350 000 murders. So, why is it so hard to believe that 60 000 of those are black on white? It’s about 17% of the total murders. But the numbers are not the main issue here. It’s the NATURE of the crimes.

As the white population of South Africa was 4 434 697 according to the official state census in 1996, and more than 400 000 white South Africans have left the country, it could be estimated that nearly 2% of white South Africans have been murdered in the 18 years of democracy.

Compare that to the 7518 black people that were murdered by the Apartheid government, which comes to a percentage of 0.02% of the black population. (And no, you can’t compare people killed by the security forces with people killed by civilians, but I’m sure that if you look up white on black civilian murders during Apartheid, it would still be very low indeed. I’m not in the business of statistics - I’m trying to highlight the fact that it is a lie that the Apartheid government killed millions of blacks)

So, if anybody ever asks you how many black people were killed by white people in South Africa, you can tell them that black people have murdered roughly 100 times more white people in the last 63 years.

White Farmers Murdered by Blacks

There were roughly 128 000 commercial farmers in South Africa in 1980. Today there are 40 000 commercial farmers left in South Africa.

Since 1994, more than 4000 farmers have been murdered and many more maimed, tortured, raped and assaulted.

http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/p/white-genocide-in-south-africa.html

“And Newt said...Mandela was faced with a vicious apartheid regime that eliminated all rights for blacks and gave them no hope for the future. This was a regime which used secret police, prisons and military force to crush all efforts at seeking freedom by blacks.”

Looks like there’s plenty of freedom NOW for the ANC thugs to murder, rape, torture, maim and exterminate whites in-mass since they were emancipated from their white masters oppressive masters!

Sorry Newt... I’m still gonna have to go with Mandela and his thugs were, and still are... Marxist-tyrants, mass-murderers, terrorists, and genocidal maniacs.

Hows that Zulu Government work’n out for ya South Afrika!


45 posted on 12/07/2013 3:00:42 PM PST by Bellagio
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To: stormhill

I can barely believe I once called myself a Newt Gingrich conservative.


We tried to tell you guys. Newt is low character and always will be. We all loved Newt going after the partisan moderators. That was awesome. But he is in no way a leader.


46 posted on 12/07/2013 3:00:46 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: EveningStar

I wouldn’t have responded to the hostility, Gingrich.

If you believed in your heart that you did the right thing, there is no need to come out swinging.

I would also say that the people who attacked you felt they were doing the right thing, too. Let it go.

The need to scratch your tit-for-tat itch bit ya in the tokus during the primaries. Bums me out, too.


47 posted on 12/07/2013 3:00:48 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DoodleDawg
But if I'm faced with a life where I have no rights or freedoms, where my every move is controlled by a police state, and where there is little chance of it changing

Then you would be living in a Leftist Utopia

48 posted on 12/07/2013 3:01:36 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: berdie

later


49 posted on 12/07/2013 3:02:19 PM PST by berdie
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To: EveningStar

Well neither side were angels.

Mandela and the ANC were in fact Marxist thugs.

The White government were bat $hit insane racists.


50 posted on 12/07/2013 3:02:29 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Thanks for your post.

Mandela chose a different path than Mugabe.

51 posted on 12/07/2013 3:03:18 PM PST by what's up
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To: EveningStar

Gee,Newt, I forgot the part where George Washington sanctioned the deliberate killing of innocent men women and children to further the cause of liberation.

Mighty big shark you just jumped over.


52 posted on 12/07/2013 3:03:38 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: EveningStar

Dukakis wanted to nuke South Africa.


53 posted on 12/07/2013 3:04:20 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Ironfocus

When you cannot “do” you teach... and when you cannot teach... you go into politics.


54 posted on 12/07/2013 3:12:49 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: GeronL
Then you would be living in a Leftist Utopia

As opposed to living under a fascist police state? I'm not sure which would be worse.

55 posted on 12/07/2013 3:17:34 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: EveningStar

What would you do here in America if you had that kind of oppression?...Vote for the half black son of a communist whore again?


56 posted on 12/07/2013 3:22:17 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Well Doodledog the Blacks rights were not taken away because they never had them.
Many Blacks migrated to SA the same way illegals are coming here.
SA prison system did do a good job of rehabilitating Mr Mendela.


57 posted on 12/07/2013 3:22:32 PM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: EveningStar
So let me say to those conservatives who don’t want to honor Nelson Mandela, what would you have done?

New Trouble Avoidance Technique discovered !

It's called:

"Don't Try To Fit In - Just Keep Your Mouth Shut."

58 posted on 12/07/2013 3:29:37 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: EveningStar
Is South Africa in a better place than before?
Was South Africa helped or harmed?

What did he accomplish?

59 posted on 12/07/2013 3:30:16 PM PST by oldbrowser ("From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" .....Marx)
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To: RobbyS

Thanks to Mandela, South Africa has not become one of the hell-holes found to the North....THE #1 Murder Capital of the world, NOT a hell hole? I think I’d take the Boers.


60 posted on 12/07/2013 3:30:54 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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