Skip to comments.EMPIRE STATE GUN OWNERS BRACING FOR CUOMO’S CONFISCATION SCHEME
Posted on 12/09/2013 3:47:13 PM PST by neverdem
New Yorkers gauge registration and confiscation of firearms in the aftermath of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomos landmark gun control law, the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013.
The next relevant deadline is April 16, 2014 the date the people are supposed to have their long arms registered, said Assemblyman William R. Nojay (R. Pittsford).
The registration system is in place and firearm owners can register today, he said.
Low compliance rates will put the governor in an interesting position especially in an election year, said Nojay. I think registration rates are going to be less than 10 percent.
County clerks, district attorneys, county sheriffs and local law enforcement do not want to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act which is now the governors law, he said. They regard it as having nothing to do with law enforcement, it will not prevent crime, it will not prevent tragedy, it is a law of pure politics and they dont want to have anything to do with it.
Cuomo is telling people he will enforce the law, he said. This governor walks into every room looking for a fight and if he cant find one hell start one.
This is a constitutional crisis in the making, he said. The question is: Will the governor start pounding the table to force them to be the enforcer.
Cuomo is up for re-election in 2014, said Nojay. State-wide opinion of Cuomo relative to the S.A.F.E. act will determine how aggressive he becomes about using the state police to enforce the law.
Joseph A. D’Amico, superintendent of the New York State Police since 2011, is not a trooper himself and is in his position to be the governors enforcer, he said. That creates tensions within the states police department.
Nojay said D’Amico is a problem.
We receive lots of reports of deep, bitter resentment against the superintendent, said the attorney and radio talk show host.
DAmico is not respected and not liked, he said. He is regarded as a political hack rather than a law enforcement professional.
I dont think Cuomo will confiscate firearms as long as we stay vigilant and vocal, said Assemblyman Dr. Stephen M. Katz (R. – Mohegan Lake).
Cuomo who has aspirations to be elected president in 2016 already knows the S.A.F.E. Act has hurt his chances, he said. His absolutely irresponsible behavior regarding the S.A.F.E. Act has him ridiculed around the country.
Coming into the governors re-election campaign next year, Katz said the fact that the GOP has yet to come-up with a viable candidate is one problem; another issue is the lack of gun owner representation at the voting booth. Twenty-percent of sportsman and hunters did not go out and vote in the last gubernatorial election.
It is incumbent upon supporters of the Second Amendment to vote and get people out to vote, he said. Because otherwise we will be overwhelmed by the residents of New York City, and we all know how they are going to vote.
Katz said there are provisions in the S.A.F.E. Act that authorize unfair protections for ambiguous groups. For example, he said the law enhances the penalty of killing a first responder to a sentence of life in jail without parole. The law does not define first responders and the term is too broad.
Another example of inequitable provisions is the amendment to the S.A.F.E. Act that carved-out an exception for retired police officers, he said. Why should it be that way? Why are we as citizens prevented from defending ourselves in the same way a retired police officer can?
The S.A.F.E. Act is a poorly-written piece of legislation by a governor who is a bully and a legislature who are cowards, he said. The law is 50 percent benevolence and 50 percent incompetence which is what we see from the Cuomo administration more than anything else.
The New York City Police Department issued a directive to commence confiscation of firearms, said Thomas H. King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. NYSRPA is the states largest and the nations oldest firearms advocacy organization.
The NYPD have been collecting records on gun owners ever since Raymond Walter “Ray” Kelly was appointed commissioner in 2002, he said. The recent confiscation directive comes directly from One Police Plaza which Kelly operates.
NYSRP initiated two lawsuits this year; one in New York City that questions whether the citys pistol licensing procedures violate the Second Amendment; and one in U.S. District Court, Western District of New York that asserts violations against the passage and enforcement of the S.A.F.E. Act which is pending before Judge William M. Skretny.
It is difficult to be successful in any lawsuit in New York City because of Home Rule, said King who is a National Rifle Association board member. For the past 20-years New York City lawmakers have had the legislative power to write their own laws to make existing law more restrictive, as long as it does not contravene state law.
In the case of the S.A.F.E. Act, he said the city council reduced the ammunition capacity from a minimum of seven-rounds to five-rounds. Nothing can be done in court to change this until the S.A.F.E. Act is overturned.
The citys restriction will have untold ramifications, said King. There are a number of antique guns, for example, the Winchester level-action rifles would be illegal unless modified and ruined in value or sold out-of-state.
King said downstate voters are not committed to gun rights.
New York City who holds the preponderance of the electorate, is doing their best to write all the laws.
Who gives a rat’s a** how New York City voters vote?
How does ANY of this affect the Second Amendment?
When does a nations of laws become a nation of grandstanding demagogues? (Answer: when the people are too stupid to understand the law, or to morally deficient to care).
Stupid New Jorkers. Can hear them now, “Gun registration is just COMMON SENSE.”
“Only you tin foil hat types believe that REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION!”
“Just how backwards and stupid are you?”
Stupid is as stupid does. WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT help out so-called “friends” who are caught up in this.
Its your tree Charlie S., you’re sitting in it.
Hate to be so mean, but tough love is just that.
No way in hell would I ever register any of my weapons.
Reason number 316 to leave NY forever. My sympathies to FReepers having to endure this.
Come to South Carolina and enjoy your weapons as much as you want. Lower cost of living, lower taxes and better weather too.
This is precisely why areas of states want to secede and start their own states. You have one giant liberal hellhole enclave dictating their wants and needs to the rest of the state. Not only that, but that same liberal hellhole is dragging down the rest of the state economically. You can bet if NYC was sawed off from the rest of NY state, that area would allow fracking and cut their taxes to attract businesses. Ditto for Detroit and MI, Los Angeles and CA, and Chicago and IL.
What do you bet that they'll consult the illegal Federal database on background checks to find out who owns weapons?
Any fool who registers their firearms deserved to have them confiscated like in NYC.
I think that dumb S O B has painted himself into a corner.
I want him to force the issue because this will end his short career.
Wait til they try to register Mohawk guns on the reservation. Those are guaranteed by State and federal treaty.
Them`s shootin` words!
Come and take it !
You just have no clue do you.
You sir, are a prick.
You wish ill will on tens of thousands of good conservative well armed Fellow Americans because they live in a state that is dominated by a large liberal city.
And you being from Colorado should know how that is.
Illinois would be happy as can be if Chicago seceded. Hell, it should secede all the way out into Lake Michigan. It can be an island unto itself (which it is already, though not surrounded by water).
When they come for the guns be sure to be polite and give them the ammunition first.
Will Cuomo also confiscate his bodyguards’ guns?
Here is reality.
Law only matters to those who can enforce it. NYC voted for this, let them enforce it.
We used to be a nation of laws. That has ended. We are heading for an interesting place in history.
Bill of Rights?
We don’t need no steenking Bill of Rights!
Hey, YO! Nik babeey,
Yes indeed I am a prick. All my friends say so. Not a revelation. And I am a bona fide A$$HOLE TO BOOT.
Especially by the friends that I refuse to help out.
I think you are guilty of a scan read of my post, which means you DID NOT read it thoroughly.
I am NOT from Colorado, I am from PENNSYLVANIA. I used to commute to NYC for years.
I went to NYU.
I have friends and colleagues of all stripes from that accursed town.
I was the TOKEN “curiosity” pig farmer from the backwash of PA. Every time I commented that their “common sense” registration schemes were a backdoor for confiscation, I ran into a heap of trash.
I don’t know where your found that I dissed “tens of thousands of good conservatives.”
I know and have relatives in the backwash of NY state, and those folks know all too well how NYC idiot posers jerks their chain.
Maybe, you are from the most recent high school graduates, and READING COMPREHENSION is NOT your strong point.
I’ll let you go just because of that.
But do me a favor. RE-READ my post. THINK THROUGH what I said.
Do NOT invent things, or inject things that were NOT part of what I posted.
Colorado? How much have you had to drink?
Refuse to do it. Lexington, Act II.
What weapons? I sold them to a friend of a friend. He and his buddy were going Gault to some place in Montana or Idaho for a Brokeback Mountain rendezvous. Nah, I don’t remember his name... paid me in cash.
This will only end in tragedy and it will be solely on Cuomo’s shoulders.
NY has just created a whole class of (new) criminals.
Just find a wrecked car somewhere and bury them under it so that they can’t find them with aerial metal detectors or ground penetrating radar.
If you guys mean what you're saying then you had better be prepared to act to protect your constituents.
Nope. Not drinking.
Piss poor eyesight, apparently.
I misread your screen name as ColoradoMontferrat.
I do stand by the prick part, though.
I am getting sick of being told I need to suffer because I live in NY State and therefor deserve this crap.
I can count on it, every time one of these articles are posted about NY gun laws, or even NYC gun laws, that some prick will come along and say we New Yorkers deserve this and are stupid because we don’t leave and that we are not welcome anywhere else. Or some variation on the theme.
Ya get sick of it after a while.
I wonder if D’Amico is going to end up swimming with the fishes or at least thrown out with the trash? Seems that nobody likes him.
If Gotti was still in business, he’d say, about D’Amico, “He’s going to take a vacation in Jersey” (actual quote from the Gotti wiretaps).
Cuomo has opened up a can of worms, Australian worms, about 3 feet long and with bad attitudes. Comes the election he might find his fascist ass kicked out the door. Goodby Gumbah pig!
I can guess what you feel.
NYC dictates what you in the hinterland have to deal with.
My critique was with the idiots IN THE CITY.
Its just too bad that a great conservative state like NY is pulled around like a bull with a ring in its nose, by a$$wipe clowns from the city.
Please, I did NOT intend to impugn New York staters. Trust me, I have relatives there. They get as mad as you.
There are 8 MILLION idiot maggots living on Manhattan. That really upsets the balance.
Perhaps, like COLORADO, New York State should secede from NYC.
ConradofMontferrat is a historical figure, MUCH HATED by MUDSLIMZE.
Have a good evening.
From the PRICK! LOL
Please accept my apology.
Still waiting to hear about how they plan to take guns from violent criminals.
See, this is exactly what that Dago wants. He wants all republicans to leave NYS and then he an his cohorts can create their liberal utopia.
I live in Western NY, I was born and raised here and this is my home and I will not surrender to the communists.
“I live in Western NY, I was born and raised here and this is my home and I will not surrender to the communists.”
Insert “Finger Lakes Region” in place of “Western” and that goes for me too.
No apology needed.
Been down that street.
Have a good evening!
“Still waiting to hear about how they plan to take guns from violent criminals.”
They never intended to.
The armed criminal is just an excuse.
The commie bastards in charge want US disarmed. They aren’t afraid of the criminals, they are afraid of the real Americans who are not willing to go meekly when they want to get rid of us.
They want us disarmed because THEY are afraid of US.
They want US to be afraid of THEM.
It isn’t working.
Lie. Defy. Do not comply.
I will follow the Constitution. Anyone else can GTH.
Correct. And most of them are law abiding citizens, the salt of the earth. But in a few months they will be jail bait. I don't think in the end it will end well for anybody in NY.like some college towns. The upstate people have suffered for years under the lash of the tyrants in the cities and in some places on Long Island who they think of them and treat them as ignorant yokels, merely to be scorned and ruled by their betters.
Most of the upstate is quite conservative, with the exception of a the big cities and a few Liberal enclaves in college towns. Cuomo, Bloomberg. DeBlasio, and Schumer are perfect examples of what these Nazis are like which inhabit these pest holes.
Too right, mate! I get the same thing because I am forced to live in Cali, and have gobstruck gibbering idiots go on about "Kalifornia" and "KaliPORNia", as if the bent wankers in SF, LA, and Berkeley somehow define us true patriots by their liberal shoutspeech.
No bloody way I endorse any of that, and just because I have to live in this state does not mean I am therefore not doing anything in My power to circumvent those elite liberal socialist snobs!
There used to be a check and balance to this power. Some states had real Senates where Senators represented geographical areas rather than gerrymandered population groups. This gave rural voters a measure of power to prevent cities from riding roughshod over them.
In the 70’s, as I recall, the Supreme Court ruled that such arrangements were “unconstitutional” even though they mirror the structure of the Federal government, and required states to change their constitutions to require representation by population, the so called, one man, one vote, rule.
That is a major reason that cities have such enormous power inside of States.
I recall telling a “liberal” colleague about this. He said, “Oh No!” You have it backwards! the counties would not let the cities enact needed legislation! They were holding them back!
Sixties. Look up Reynolds v. Sims and Baker v. Carr.
I just read about the decision. All based on insane twisting of wording, as though a “republican” government meant a pure democracy. The disasters that the Roosevelt revolution in the courts caused this country just keep on. Everything that was predicted to happen, happened. I have to believe there is justice in an afterlife, because those Supreme Court justices certainly deserved enormous punishment for their corruption.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if the upstaters (where the hunters and rural folk live) resist and take it to the city morons.
I’ve always read that the best places to bury guns in in graveyards and junk yards. I know the location of several former public dumps.
Then I’ve heard you could bury your guns, then sow the ground with nails and other bits of metal. The best metal I’ve found is old fence wire, slugs punched out from iron,
I’ve got a place where lots of old nail infested lumber was burned. It is almost two inches thick with rusted bent nails, all under the sod.
Not as good. Here's why: They won't have an explanation for the signature and will therefore have to investigate. Give them something to find that is cause for blowing it off.
Un-k, un-k, dere’s no name on it!