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Del. Creating Hoarding Task Force
WBOC ^ | 12/10/13 | AP or WBOC

Posted on 12/10/2013 12:14:11 PM PST by blueyon

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To: blueyon

so . . the military cant take over a private citizen’s house - but the guvmunt can take everything in it . .


61 posted on 12/10/2013 12:59:47 PM PST by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: chae

I have a problem with the spousal unit that holds on to way too many newspapers and catalogs, paper in general really.

Sometimes I pick off a few old catalogs that are usually a couple years old. If I suggest real tossing or consolidation, you’d think I want to destroy the library of Alexandria. There are only a few but notable concentrations though.

I wished I knew how to break a pack rat mentality.


62 posted on 12/10/2013 1:00:24 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: NTHockey
The threat is against private property and for unnecessary searches and seizures.
63 posted on 12/10/2013 1:05:03 PM PST by virgil
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To: AppyPappy

“We have to get involved. IT’S ON TV!!”

And part of any good government rollout plan is to get the issue on TV and in all the media, to give the people the idea that there is a problem.

They’ll use the observer effect (where the casual observer thinks a rare event is common because they hear about it all the time), and multiple straw man arguments to lay down the concepts that the rare event is bad, and that government has the right to fix it.

Ideally, the people will (seem to0 demand government action to stop the wrong they have been seeing in all the media outlets.

Now it’s the poorly defined “hoarding”, and the buried concept that, for the common good, what you have in your house is the government’s business. And everyone thinks the target is someone else, not them.


64 posted on 12/10/2013 1:05:55 PM PST by DBrow
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To: blueyon

Hoarding my hard earned wages would be a good start. They can stop that!


65 posted on 12/10/2013 1:13:58 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blueyon

They’re coming to take us away HA HA!! And our guns too.


66 posted on 12/10/2013 1:14:13 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Lazamataz

Welcome news to more that a few FReepers.

“Am so screwed!”


67 posted on 12/10/2013 1:15:11 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blueyon

Hoarding as in keeping every bit of trash they’ve ever accumulated throughout their lives or hoarding as in preppers? Just like the TSA confiscating a tiny toy gun from a sockmonkey, this feel good task force will be confiscating preppers’ tp, cans of span and those aluminum ammo... for the children and condors, of course.


68 posted on 12/10/2013 1:26:36 PM PST by bgill
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To: DBrow; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They’ll use the observer effect (where the casual observer thinks a rare event is common because they hear about it all the time), and multiple straw man arguments to lay down the concepts that the rare event is bad, and that government has the right to fix it.

Exactly how and why we have more and more nanny state in our lives. Alas, there are plenty of FReepers who just love it - as long as it doesn't inconvenience them, or involve something they do or enjoy.

69 posted on 12/10/2013 1:45:39 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: showme_the_Glory

Hawaii is supposed to have a law that if you hae more than a two weeks’ supply of whatever, it can be confiscated. Just wait until their beloved son signed that into a nationwide EO.


70 posted on 12/10/2013 1:47:32 PM PST by bgill
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To: wally_bert

Teach the cat to use the pile as a litter box.


71 posted on 12/10/2013 1:52:31 PM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

http://www.dailypaul.com/291183/they-will-seize-your-food-and-resources-hoarding-of-just-about-anything-can-be-banned

I suspect that the EO in question was merely an update of a Kennedy-era Cold War EO about being able to seize private supplies in an emergency. Updates happen because the exec branch re-organizes (Coast Guard into DHS, for example, or creation of a new agency) so all the roles must be redefined. But bottom line, there is such an EO already. When you get off the truck at the Emergency Relocation Center you may not get to keep your backpack full of MREs.


72 posted on 12/10/2013 2:00:42 PM PST by DBrow
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To: bgill
Actually no EO is needed, this was signed into law in 1950:

2010 US Code
Title 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
TITLE 50 - APPENDIX-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT OF 1950
Sec. 2072 - Hoarding of designated scarce materials View Metadata

Metadata

Publication Title United States Code, 2006 Edition, Supplement 4, Title 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
Category Bills and Statutes
Collection United States Code
SuDoc Class Number Y 1.2/5:
Contained Within Title 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
TITLE 50 - APPENDIX-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT OF 1950
ACT SEPT. 8, 1950, CH. 932, 64 STAT. 798
TITLE I - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS
Sec. 2072 - Hoarding of designated scarce materials
Contains section 2072
Date 2010
Laws in Effect as of Date January 7, 2011
Positive Law No
Disposition standard
Source Credit Sept. 8, 1950, ch. 932, title I, §102, 64 Stat. 799; July 31, 1951, ch. 275, title I, §101(b), 65 Stat. 132.
Statutes at Large References 64 Stat. 798, 799
65 Stat. 132


§2072. Hoarding of designated scarce materials

In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate (1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or (2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation. The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation.

In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this Act [sections 2061 to 2170, 2171, and 2172 of this Appendix]. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 101 and 704 of this Act [sections 2071 and 2154 of this Appendix].

(Sept. 8, 1950, ch. 932, title I, §102, 64 Stat. 799; July 31, 1951, ch. 275, title I, §101(b), 65 Stat. 132.)

Amendments

1951—Act July 31, 1951, authorized President to prescribe conditions and exceptions allowing maintenance of substantial inventories of critical materials in certain cases.

Termination Date

Termination of section, see section 2166(a) of this Appendix.

Delegation of Functions

Functions of President under act Sept. 8, 1950 [section 2061 et seq. of this Appendix], relating to production, conservation, use, control, distribution, and allocation of energy, delegated to Secretary of Energy, see section 4 of Ex. Ord. No. 11790, June 25, 1974, 39 F.R. 23185, set out as a note under section 761 of Title 15, Commerce and Trade.

73 posted on 12/10/2013 2:04:08 PM PST by DBrow
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To: wally_bert

“I have a problem with the spousal unit...”

My wife visits her mother and brings home multiple issues of well-used “Southern Living” magazines...many from the ‘90s or early 2000s.

I mean really...just how many ways can you make an apple pie or decorate for Christmas?

(The bottom of the back porch recycle bin is my friend.)


74 posted on 12/10/2013 2:08:22 PM PST by moovova
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To: bgill

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

(a) “Civil transportation” includes movement of persons and property by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services, equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair facilities. “Civil transportation” also shall include direction, control, and coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership. “Civil transportation” shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly.

(b) “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(d) “Fertilizer” means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use as a plant nutrient.

(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(g) “Functions” include powers, duties, authority, responsibilities, and discretion.

(h) “Head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense” means the heads of the Departments of State, Justice, the Interior, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the General Services Administration, and all other agencies with authority delegated under section 201 of this order.

(i) “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(k) “Offsets” means compensation practices required as a condition of purchase in either government to government or commercial sales of defense articles and/or defense services as defined by the Arms Export Control Act, 22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq., and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, 22 C.F.R. 120.1 130.17.

(l) “Special priorities assistance” means action by resource departments to assist with expediting deliveries, placing rated orders, locating suppliers, resolving production or delivery conflicts between various rated orders, addressing problems that arise in the fulfillment of a rated order or other action authorized by a delegated agency, and determining the validity of rated orders.

(m) “Strategic and critical materials” means materials (including energy) that (1) would be needed to supply the military, industrial, and essential civilian needs of the United States during a national emergency, and (2) are not found or produced in the United States in sufficient quantities to meet such need and are vulnerable to the termination or reduction of the availability of the material.

(n) “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”


75 posted on 12/10/2013 2:12:23 PM PST by DBrow
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To: bgill

I’d like to have a cat but the territorial German Shepherd wouldn’t tolerate it. Good idea though. She is a friendly and sweet dog but she goes nuts over small dogs and cats.

http://tysonneil.smugmug.com/Animals/Horses/i-WLqMmHX/A


76 posted on 12/10/2013 2:16:02 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: moovova

How many Land’s End and the like plus worthless newspapers about college ball can pile up? I shudder to think.

I’ve tried introducing the idea of using the scanner but that went nowhere.


77 posted on 12/10/2013 2:18:07 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Cicero
Animal Welfare Officers are part of the task force? Are they accusing dogs and cats of hoarding?

I think that's about the crazy old ladies who have 105 feral cats on their property.


78 posted on 12/10/2013 2:31:10 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Impala64ssa

IraQ is getting a nuke, too?


79 posted on 12/10/2013 2:33:20 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: KarlInOhio
Is this hoarding as in keeping stacks of newspapers forever (the 1997 stack is over by the fridge)

LEAVE MY REFERENCE LIBRARY OUT OF THIS!!!!!

80 posted on 12/10/2013 4:03:43 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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