Global Warming Gone AWOL

The American Thinker ^ | December 20, 2013 | Jeffrey Folks

[Cincinatus' Wife]

"..........The fundamental nature of environmental thinking, as it has evolved from the efforts of earlier, well-intentioned leaders to reform air and water standards, involves an obsession with regulation and control. A corollary of this controlling mentality is a reflexive opposition to economic growth. Instead of developing our resources and seeing the nation prosper, the modern-day environmental goal is reversion to something resembling the state of nature. It is not only "no growth";it is negative growth, dragging us back to the Stone Age.

But it is not just freeing the Earth of the footprint of man--it is the relationship among men that the environmental left is most interested in. Or to be more precise, what they are seek is the control of the mass of men by a self-appointed elite.

That vision of the future is apparent in countless books, articles, and online posts familiar to anyone who delves into environmentalist literature. Paul Ehrlich popularized the message in books like The Population Bomb in 1968(arguing that population growth would overwhelm the Earth's resources)and The End of Affluence in 1975(with warnings of catastrophic food shortages and destruction resulting from pesticides). From "peak oil"(wrong)to the "death of capitalism"(even more wrong), environmental leaders have sought excuses to block every attempt at industrial and resource development. In the name of climate change and other pretexts, they have managed to slow if not stop countless projects that would have brought job growth and prosperity to millions.

It's not just the Keystone XL pipeline that is at risk. It's all existing coal-fired power plants, for which the EPA is set to issue new guidelines in 2014. In addition, as the Daily Caller reported, the EPA is preparing 134 new regulations, and the EPA is only one of many Obama agencies working to restrict resource development....

[Cincinatus' Wife]

That vision of the future is apparent in countless books, articles, and online posts familiar to anyone who delves into environmentalist literature. Paul Ehrlich popularized the message in books like The Population Bomb in 1968 (arguing that population growth would overwhelm the Earth's resources) and The End of Affluence in 1975 (with warnings of catastrophic food shortages and destruction resulting from pesticides). From "peak oil" (wrong) to the "death of capitalism" (even more wrong), environmental leaders have sought excuses to block every attempt at industrial and resource development. In the name of climate change and other pretexts, they have managed to slow if not stop countless projects that would have brought job growth and prosperity to millions.

That book was co-authored by John P. Holdren, Barack Obama's [from day one] Science and Technology adviser (he's written continually on this subject over the decades). Holdren advised U.S. graduate students that they cannot expect the United States to be number one in science and technology and that it is actually better for the world when the U.S. is not. Holdren believes in the de-development of the United States.

[AlexW]

“U.S. Can’t Expect to Be Number One in Science and Technology Forever”
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Yes, the USA must be brought down so that Dear Leader can make it into the USSA.

[Moose Burger]

But you don’t understand, the fall in temperature is proof of temperatures raising. Besides, it’s “climate”, not “weather”, and to top it all, you’re not smart enough to understand any of that, not like the scientists that have a consensus. The ones that don’t aren’t smart, either... (DRONE-off)

[AlexW]

“(DRONE-off)”
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Bad boy...you should be in bed :P

[Democrat_media]

global warming is a hoax, the crime of the century and the biggest lie ever told

democrats practically banned light bulbs because of this hoax. try they are phasing them out .try to find a 100 watt bulb

they planned to further enslave us to government using this fake crisis

The solar cycle does correlate with temperature , CO2 does not

[pepsionice]

What happened here...is that the green movement got consumed somewhere in the 1980s...by the redistribution movement. Toss in all the dimwits who ran off and got climate or global warming studies degrees which are worthless...and the lack of real understanding over solar studies, and you’ve got a perfect storm for redistribution.

That was the end-game. Pure and simple.

Add in the fact that half the folks finishing these climate degree programs really know more of nothing than more of something. They pretend they’ve taken classes and passed tests, but it’s mostly make-up-your-own data seminars. You kinda feel sorry for them in a way. Somewhere by age forty, they will figure out the fakeness of their profession, but are hand-cuffed to it now because of bills, mortgages, and student loans they still owe.

[exDemMom]

It is an unfortunate circumstance that the far left sees the environment as a way to impose the totalitarian control that they have craved for over a century.

The EPA performs some vital functions. When an unknown environmental calamity causes a huge die-off of some animal, or a neighborhood turns out to have toxic contamination, EPA scientists do the investigation and figure out what is going on. Unfortunately, whenever a leftist becomes president, he appoints some leftist activist to head the EPA. Typically, the head of the EPA knows next to nothing about science, but they know tons about restricting freedom and are not hesitant to subvert the mission of the EPA to that goal.

I doubt many people would want to allow factories to dump their toxic wastes into nearby streams and so forth, but that doesn’t mean people want their freedom eliminated in the name of “the environment.”

[exDemMom]

Ah, I should have addressed Holdren’s ignorance in my other reply.

The US can and should continue to lead the world in science and technology. When we lead, we provide a strong example to others around the world to conduct research in an ethical manner, respecting the rights and autonomy of human subjects and treating animals as humanely as possible. There is no reason to think that another country who might step up to take the lead would have those sensibilities. China? Why would we expect ethical conduct in science from a country that drives mobile abortuaries around to kill unauthorized babies, and forces women to verify menstruation every month? Europe? They might share some of our sensibilities, but the EU and governments of many countries do not create an environment friendly to research. And so on.

There are strong reasons the US is #1 in research, and the rest of the world tries to emulate us. Why Holdren wants to throw that away is beyond me.

[abclily]

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

[monocle]

“Climate change” is no more than academia welfare.

[Democrat_media]

you believe in the EPA and govenrment. that is the first mistake to trust in government

you believe that without the EPA then the free market, individuals, lawsuits (courts ok i agree with courts and lawsuits but not much more gov) , all of us can't survive or take care of the environment. you are wrong

no the EPA is not needed. people can sue a company if they “pollute” so that is a deterrent . you people assume that business are out to destroy the “environment” , pollute , harm people or that they don't care if they do and only your god , government can save us and the environment from the evil capitalist private companies.

a business wants to produce a good product to get customers , stay in business. polluting a lake will get them sued and ruin the reputation. they work on building their name. you and democrats think only the EPA can keep you safe. no you are wrong . the government is the threat to our freedom and our prosperity and they are crippling businesses along with all the other gov agencies and their dumb regulations are hurting businesses and chasing them away to China

the EPA is getting ready to shut down coal power plants which will kill people

you either trust government or you don't . I don't. you do . I'm a Republican . if you trust government more than you trust the free market(capitalism) then you are a marxist. not YOU but i mean you in general.

[thulldud]

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?

Wrong question. It's US they plan to control.

[exDemMom]

you believe in the EPA and govenrment. that is the first mistake to trust in government

The libertarian ideal of a society where there is no government, no regulations, no laws, etc., is as impossible as the socialist ideal of a society with complete government control of every aspect of life. The reality is somewhere in the middle. Without government regulation and enforcement of certain rules, manufacturers can and do pollute, and get away with it. If you don't believe that, try reading about the pollution in China.

The reality is that the environment in the US did not clean itself and factories did not spontaneously install pollution controls before environmental regulations went into effect. While it's nice to believe that factories that pollute would be sued and so forth if there were no government regulations, the reality is that those factories happily sell their products all over the world to people who don't know and don't care about how much pollution they generate. This idea that lawsuits will keep them in check also begs the question of how anyone can sue without a government providing the legal framework for and enforcement of such action, but that's another issue.

True conservatives recognize that government is absolutely necessary, and that the Constitutional mandate *is* to provide for the general welfare of the people--meaning protecting them from threats such as pollution and unsafe food and drugs. Recognizing that reality is not the same as believing that government is the answer to everything, and that every single problem that arises is an excuse to grow government. Government must be kept in check and tightly restricted to its Constitutional duties.

[Jacquerie]

True conservatives recognize that government is absolutely necessary, and that the Constitutional mandate *is* to provide for the general welfare of the people--meaning protecting them from threats such as pollution and unsafe food and drugs.

That is an expansive and erroneous misreading of the Preamble and Article I § 8. You so much as acknowledged it yourself.

The place to deal with pollution is the states. That's right, fifty different concepts of environmental protection.

If nationwide environmental/industrial controls are supported by the vast majority of the people, then legally amend the constitution and don't do it through unelected bureaucrats and nine black-robes.

[exDemMom]

That is an expansive and erroneous misreading of the Preamble and Article I § 8. You so much as acknowledged it yourself.

I have no idea what you think I misread, or what you think I acknowledged misreading. The words are pretty simple to me: to provide for the general welfare. While many misinterpret that to mean "to provide endless handouts", it refers to providing an environment minimizing the threats that are too large for the ordinary citizen to mitigate on an individual level. Those threats include pollution, unsafe food supplies, and invasions by hostile forces.

The states do have individual EPAs that handle matters inside the state. But those state EPAs have no jurisdiction over neighboring states, and pollution does not stop at borders. So the national EPA imposes a uniform set of pollution standards. The problem with the EPA is not in its performing its Constitutional mandate--the problem is that politicians (of the leftist variety) install political hacks to run the EPA, who understand nothing of environmental science but understand a lot about restricting people's liberty in the name of protecting the environment. And those hacks, unfortunately, set the tone for how the organization is run.

If nationwide environmental/industrial controls are supported by the vast majority of the people, then legally amend the constitution and don't do it through unelected bureaucrats and nine black-robes.

We don't need to amend the Constitution. Provision for the general welfare is already there, as is regulation of interstate commerce.

[Jacquerie]

There is no basis in the constitution for an EPA.

You cannot legitimately read a code of law into a single term taken out of its 18th century context and history.

If a duty to promote the general welfare was a sufficient basis for all federal power, then the enumerated powers of section eight that followed were unnecessary.

[Democrat_media]

government is the threat not your provider as you believe.

The ONLY laws that government at any level should be even involved in passing are

1.laws that prevent the initiation of force as in
.murder is illegal
assault = illegal
trespassing , harassment, stalking,stealing, vandalism, threatening in person, kidnapping etc.
2. that protect individual rights to property(contracts, property rights, house ownership,patents), life , liberty and freedom of speech, no stealing, no breaking contracts, no vandalism etc.

most disputes as in property disputes, contracts etc. can be settled in court by competing private interests. as in lawsuits for “pollution” caused damage to your land values etc., or pollution caused injury etc.

and that means the individual which is small has to have laws that protect the individual and his rights form government also . so that no individual can have his life, liberty nor property taken from him without the due process of law (court trials etc)

so in the federal level the government has an army to prevent the initiation of force by other armies or entities, and the migration of peoples into the country

likewise state police ,courts and that's it

in no way should government at any level be involved in education (awful gov schools) , healthcare (obamacare) ,charities (gov housing projects, welfare), science(global warming hoax) , nor even roads nor anything except what I outlined.

private toll roads in Texas work and no traffic
private schools, home schooling or internet schooling that is private works
capitalism /freedom works
government never works and is corrupt tyranny. As government advances liberty contracts, corruption grows, abuses grow and civilization itself retreats.

this post is really badly written with grammar mistakes etc. but i have very little time as i have to work long hours to give half my income to a tyrannical government that takes money from me at the point of a gun to provide the things you say but they don't what they are is corrupt marxist tyrants and thieves(those in the gov)

[Democrat_media]

ridiculous. you trust in the EPA and government .you really believe that it is because of the EPA and gov that everything works .you are wrong. it is your attitude that is destroying this country

industry grew on the North American continent for 200 years without hardly any government , environmental laws ,nor any EPA. there was hardly any government in the USA until the early 1900’s .

The Chinese people's lives are improving , many becoming middle class others rich whereas 30 years ago 99% of them were living in stone age poverty

[Democrat_media]

“The libertarian ideal of a society where there is no government, no regulations, no laws, etc., is as impossible “

that's wrong and is marxist propaganda. there was hardly any government until the early 1900’s in the USA . and during that time of the libertarian country the USA grew faster than any other in history in living standards, wealth , health of people etc.. the income tax passed in 1913 or something. they have added laws every year since then (starting at around 1900).

advocates of big government don't know history .it's a fact that the USA had almost no government up until the 1900’s . and every year after that they have incrementally added laws . the big one was the 16th amendment which allowed the government tax using the income tax and only after this could they Fund the huge government

here as you can see from the graph government spending (gov size ) as percentage of GDP was almost non-existant in the early 1900’s and less before then. and most of that was for military anyway which is ok. so you and democrats/liberals keep asking for more government, but the USA not only survived without practically any government ,but grew faster than any country in history without any government and there were no catastrophes as the news media like to make believe

the really big major group of environmental laws didn't get passed until the 1960’s ( and that's how they formed the EPA after that to deal with those laws). so how did we prosper so much without the government and the EPA all those years?

yes I'm for military , border control , and what i outlined in my other post. the constitution has to clearly state that government nor congress cannot pass any laws except those dealing with the initiation of force. if you don't severely restrict government then they will find a way to keep growing it until civilization itself is gone.

as you can see from the graph in the early 1900's non-military government spending was around 1% of GDP. that's all it needs to be. and it was less in previous years.

here you can see government as a % of GDP was almost nonexistent as most of that was military spending. gov was less than 3% from 1790 to 1930 and most of that was military spending. there was no EPA, hardly any goverment but the USA prospered as a libertarian counrty and GDP grew then faster than now even though technology and productivity has grown at an exponential rate.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

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