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Daily Beast Laments Pope Francis's 'Woman Problem'
NewsBusters.org ^ | December 20, 2013 | Ken Shepherd

Posted on 12/20/2013 10:33:46 AM PST by Kaslin

The Daily Beast has a new year's resolution for Pope Francis: be open to women in the priesthood.

Correspondent Barbie Latza Nadeau opened her December 20 story "Does Pope Francis Have a Woman Problem," with the obligatory statement that "Pope Francis is undoubtedly a good guy" who "has managed to impress almost everyone." But, alas, "for all the papal cheerleading there is still at least one demographic that won’t be lauding the great pontiff quite yet: women." Nadeau explained, with decidedly loaded language:

During an exclusive interview with La Stampa newspaper last week, the pope flatly ruled out the possibility of women ever ascending to any leadership position equal to men within the Catholic Church’s hierarchy.  Ever.  Answering Vatican expert Andrea Tornielli’s question about whether or not Francis’s Church would ever see female cardinals, the much-loved pontiff scoffed, “I don’t know where this idea sprang from.  Women in the Church must be valued, not clericalized. Whoever thinks of women as cardinals suffers a bit from clericalism.”

This is not the first time Francis has seemingly dismissed women as equals, keeping in line with his predecessors’ views that women are somehow lesser creatures.  In a September interview with a group of Jesuit magazines, including America, Francis said that it was necessary to expand opportunities for a stronger presence of women in the church, but he clearly doesn’t want them behind the altar. “I am wary of a solution that can be reduced to a kind of ‘female machismo,’ because a woman has a different make-up than a man. But what I hear about the role of women is often inspired by an ideology of machismo,” he said.

Women are lesser creatures? That should come as a shock to practicing Catholics who venerate many female saints including the Virgin Mary, whom the Catholic Church -- yes, including the current and previous popes-- teaches to be the Queen of Heaven.

Furthermore, the Catechism says this about women's equal dignity with men:

2334 "In creating men 'male and female,' God gives man and woman an equal personal dignity."119 "Man is a person, man and woman equally so, since both were created in the image and likeness of the personal God."120

2335 Each of the two sexes is an image of the power and tenderness of God, with equal dignity though in a different way.

Furthermore, to Pope Francis's argument about clericalism, the Church teaches thus, again, in the Catechism (emphasis mine):

1546 Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made of the Church "a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."20 The whole community of believers is, as such, priestly. The faithful exercise their baptismal priesthood through their participation, each according to his own vocation, in Christ's mission as priest, prophet, and king. Through the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation the faithful are "consecrated to be . . . a holy priesthood."21

1547 The ministerial or hierarchical priesthood of bishops and priests, and the common priesthood of all the faithful participate, "each in its own proper way, in the one priesthood of Christ." While being "ordered one to another," they differ essentially.22 In what sense? While the common priesthood of the faithful is exercised by the unfolding of baptismal grace --a life of faith, hope, and charity, a life according to the Spirit--, the ministerial priesthood is at the service of the common priesthood. It is directed at the unfolding of the baptismal grace of all Christians. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which Christ unceasingly builds up and leads his Church. For this reason it is transmitted by its own sacrament, the sacrament of Holy Orders.

In the truest sense, then, the clerical leadership of the Church is confessed to be a leadership of service unto the "common priesthood" of all Catholics. Rather than seeing Holy Orders in the way the world sees it, as an exercise of power, it is rather to be seen as an exercise of sacred trust to "unceasingly [build] up and [lead the] Church."

It's quite understandable that a secular journalist sees women excluded from the priesthood and complaining that it's an exclusion from power. But to a spiritual leader like the pope, the worldly way of viewing the priesthood is fundamentally out of whack with the biblical and magisterial understanding of the vocation of priesthood.

But no, Nadeau seems only in dissenting, liberal voices -- including those who reject the Church's teachings on the sanctity of unborn life (emphasis mine), while ignoring the voices of Catholic women who are joining more traditionalist orders of women religious. When Nadeau does turn to a woman religious, it's an infamously leftist one who does not vigorously defend the Church's teachings on things like abortion and same-sex marriage:

Francis’s apparent disinterest in creating a church where women can be part of the highest ranks of leadership is troubling to many Catholics.  Jon O’Brien, head of Catholics for Choice, told The Daily Beast that Francis is doing a great job on many issues.  “There is absolutely no doubt that among rank and file Catholics, Pope Francis offers hope that things could change in the church,” he told The Daily Beast.  “But when it comes to women, this pope, like past popes, has a blind spot.”

O’Brien says the pope is missing a golden opportunity to include women in his reforms.  By marginalizing women as spectators or caretakers when it comes to hot-button issues like social justice, he is missing a vital voice.  “It’s almost like women can wait while he takes care of more important issues,” says O’Brien.  “It is a shortsighted approach.”

O’Brien and many other Catholics hoping for more equality in their church are particularly bothered by Francis’s statements on women needing what he called a separate theology. In the September interview with the Jesuit publications, he said, “We have to work harder to develop a profound theology of the woman. Only by making this step will it be possible to better reflect on their function within the church. The feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions. The challenge today is this: to think about the specific place of women also in those places where the authority of the church is exercised for various areas of the church.”  O’Brien argues that the statement is not about seeing women as equals. “Theology of people should include women,” he says.  “The idea that the Church needs a separate theology for women is plain condescending.”

Last April, Pope Francis affirmed his predecessor’s crackdown on American nuns whose orders are under the umbrella group known as the Leadership Conference of Women Religious.  The group, which represents some 80 percent of all American women religious, was scorned in April 2012 for pushing so-called “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith” by not staying silent on the Vatican’s favorite topics like birth control,  same-sex marriage and euthanasia.  And when Francis made his first significant changes within the Vatican’s Congregation for Bishops last week, he replaced two ultra-conservative bishops with moderates, but he left Cardinal William Levada, who authored the original condemnation against American nuns, in place.

Sister Joan Chittister, writing in the National Catholic Reporter questions whether women will ever be taken seriously in the Catholic Church.  She says that the role of women isn’t even addressed as one of the top 39  areas of concern listed in a recent Vatican survey, which was lauded by many Francis supporters as ground-breaking.  She worries that Francis insistence to separate women and label them as nurturers and mothers does little for the idea of change beyond rhetoric.  “The pope’s recent statement on women to a meeting of the Women’s Section of the Pontifical Council for Laity in Rome concentrated almost entirely on women’s maternity, which occupies—at best—about 20 years of a woman’s life,” she says.  “Most modern women, demographic data indicates, live at least another 35 to 40 years after the youngest child leaves home. And after that? What is her role then? Is maternity her only value, her perpetual definition? What does she do now with her personal talents, her insights, her gifts that, they tell us, are given for the sake of the world?”

O’Brien agrees.  “What Francis has done has helped us [Catholics] refocus,” he says.  “But we still have a whole half of the Church who have been neglected and forgotten. When it comes to women, Pope Francis needs some study. ”

Nadeau is incredibly condescending and dismissive of conservative Catholics, and seems to think that Catholic women who are perfectly fine with the male-only priestly either don't exist or aren't worthy of engaging as thoughtful, committed Catholics.

To borrow from biblical imagery, as a balanced, objective journalist, Nadeau has been weighed in the balance and found lacking.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: liberals

1 posted on 12/20/2013 10:33:47 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The necessity for the male priesthood is based in Eucharistic theology which, although “mysterious” in the spiritual sense, is logically consistent and understandable by anyone who isn’t blinded by ideology.

That is to say, these people don’t seem to realize what idiots they seem.


2 posted on 12/20/2013 10:40:32 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: Kaslin

Yes, they have done so great for us in government.


3 posted on 12/20/2013 10:44:21 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Kaslin

He’ll be called a racist if he doesn’t allow women in to the priesthood. I guess it would be the priestesshood? Racist because they’ll say so. No matter if “actual” race is involved. Just sayin’ it means it’s true.


4 posted on 12/20/2013 10:46:37 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Tax-chick

You mean what idiots they are, or what idiots they seem to be. Don’t you?


5 posted on 12/20/2013 10:48:22 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: rktman

Jesus chose only men as HIS Apostles. What “womyn” want to do is to get a Pope to say Jesus was wrong.


6 posted on 12/20/2013 10:49:00 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: edcoil
Behold the High Priestess to come:

7 posted on 12/20/2013 10:49:23 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Kaslin

Have you ever had the unfortunate experience of being in a worship service conducted by a woman “minister”? It becomes apparent that their focus is on themselves and their performance. Grinning and giggling during the distribution of the sacrament is truly disturbing. However, no doubt parishioners become used to this behavior, which is even more disturbing.


8 posted on 12/20/2013 10:49:39 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: edcoil

Why do you hate women so much?


9 posted on 12/20/2013 10:49:52 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: txrefugee

I never noticed that with Joyce Meyer.


10 posted on 12/20/2013 10:57:30 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin
Women are lesser creatures? That should come as a shock to practicing Catholics who venerate many female saints including the Virgin Mary, whom the Catholic Church -- yes, including the current and previous popes-- teaches to be the Queen of Heaven.

How could they forget about Pope Joan?

11 posted on 12/20/2013 10:58:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Kaslin

People like Fr. Whosis, S.J., and Sister Joan Chittester are highly educated. They aren’t “idiots” in the sense of lacking basic reasoning capability. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they have corrupted minds.


12 posted on 12/20/2013 11:13:01 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: txrefugee

I never noticed that with Mother Angelica.


13 posted on 12/20/2013 11:14:15 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Tax-chick

“The necessity for the male priesthood is based in Eucharistic theology which, although “mysterious” in the spiritual sense, is logically consistent and understandable by anyone who isn’t blinded by ideology.”

Jesus Christ selected men as His priests; as a married man I can’t be a priest. Doesn’t make me think the Pope hates me, though. With the number of “churches” available to these malcontents, I don’t know why they don’t just pick one.


14 posted on 12/20/2013 11:15:57 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kaslin

I’m not sure that scripture mandates an all male priesthood. But I do know for a fact there is nothing the Bible (that I can find) in either the Old Testament or the New Testament which mandates celibacy as a requirement for serving in the priesthood. In the early Church, popes, bishops, and priest were married men. As late as the 12th Century the overwhelming majority of priests and bishops were married men. Celibacy was introduced in the Middle Ages as a response to nepotism and corruption in the Church.


15 posted on 12/20/2013 11:20:10 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin

Since he’s celibate, I imagine that’s one problem he doesn’t have!


16 posted on 12/20/2013 11:58:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Not in offering Holy Holy Communion, you haven’t noticed her trademark humor and delight in being Catholic.


17 posted on 12/20/2013 12:07:19 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Kaslin
Men and women are equal - God loves them the same.

In the end nothing else matters.

18 posted on 12/20/2013 12:13:17 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Boogieman
Since he’s celibate, I imagine that’s one problem he doesn’t have!

"But I have known one or two women. They're not bad people. So I'm not offended at all."

19 posted on 12/20/2013 12:15:17 PM PST by FredZarguna (I've never noticed that Mother Angelica had any sense of humor _at all_.)
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To: txrefugee

Many women serve Communion at my church. Never noticed that ever.


20 posted on 12/20/2013 12:22:37 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin

If it ever happens, I’ll bet they will have to be ‘celibate’ women...A whole new can of worms...


21 posted on 12/20/2013 12:27:06 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Kaslin

Petrosius has a new year’s resolution for The Daily Beast: be open to God’s plan for the proper distinctions between men and women.


22 posted on 12/20/2013 12:28:58 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

And dogs once flew spaceships.


23 posted on 12/20/2013 1:08:53 PM PST by jobim (.)
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To: kearnyirish2
as a married man I can’t be a priest

Of itself, being married does not preclude ordination.

24 posted on 12/20/2013 2:40:28 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: Kaslin
Look at what a great boon women ministers have been to mainline Protestant churches.

Better look quick before they all dissappear.

25 posted on 12/20/2013 2:44:56 PM PST by Pietro
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Correct Catholic Masses would never permit a woman server. I realize this doesn’t apply to your Protestant service.


26 posted on 12/20/2013 2:45:09 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Kaslin

Half the Nazis spewing hate at the Daily Beast were fired last month. This anti-semitic Julius Streicher website has only weeks left before it sinks into the tarpit mire.

Die you democrat Nazi freaks.


27 posted on 12/20/2013 3:52:56 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Tax-chick

As a Latin Rite (Roman) Catholic it does, until I’m a widower. The Eastern Catholic churches (in Ukraine or Iraq, for example), they have married priests, but I don’t believe they ascend in the hierarchy.


28 posted on 12/21/2013 3:45:18 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Iirc, Bishops in the Eastern and Orthodox churches have to be celibate. Anyway, I was just being technical.

As you said above, there are plenty of denominations that have women in pastoral roles. I wish Sr. Joan Chittister would be honest, before she dies, and join one of them!


29 posted on 12/21/2013 3:50:44 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: kearnyirish2

And good morning! Is your family ready for Christmas?


30 posted on 12/21/2013 3:51:07 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree with you; these people (including plenty of men) seem to know the Catholic Church is the True Church, but rather than abandon it they’d rather pretend the truth can be conformed to their way of thinking.

Good morning to you as well (I never know when people are just getting on - as in “morning” - or working an odd shift where it is their “afternoon”). Still have to get a few things, but I have some days off to do it. Northern NJ will be a traffic nightmare today, since we have lower sales tax than neighboring NYC and our malls in the county nearest to NYC are closed on Sundays (”Blue Laws”).


31 posted on 12/21/2013 4:00:32 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

It’s morning for me. I think we’re done shopping for gifts, but we need to get more food. The Christmas tree is supposed to go up tomorrow, in spite of the toddler, the cats, and the imminent arrival of the guest-dog. We’ll see how it goes!


32 posted on 12/21/2013 4:07:59 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Our infinite sadness can only be cured by an infinite love." ~Pope Francis)
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To: Tax-chick

Best of luck; it should be easier shopping for food than gifts. My mother describes how the parents put the tree up on Christmas Eve (after the kids had gone to bed) Christmas morning would be the first time the children saw it.


33 posted on 12/21/2013 5:16:27 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: steve86

We have women and men Eucharistic Ministers serving Holy Communion at my Catholic Cathedral where I attend Mass.


34 posted on 12/23/2013 12:27:15 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin

These people need to go and start their own church. They don’t want that, of course, they want to corrupt and infect the churches/orgs/institutions they don’t like.


35 posted on 12/23/2013 12:28:20 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Last Dakotan

Not a Roman Catholic. Yes God loves men and women equally, but he also ordained different roles for them. Men are the spiritual and physical head of the household as well as the Church. But this is an awesome responsibility, not a power trip. Men are also to love their wives just as Christ loved the church and gave His life for her. Somehow the sacrificial love part gets left out of the “women obey your husbands” part.

I dont want women to lead the Church anymore than men could have children. There is nothing wrong or demeaning about having different roles in the family and in the Church, God ordained it that way. Neither is lesser or less valued than the other, just different.


36 posted on 12/23/2013 12:34:04 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Kaslin

Funny she doesn’t look like Barbie AT ALL!


37 posted on 12/23/2013 12:41:30 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Actually, no you don't.

You have Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion (EMHC). The only Eucharistic Ministers are priests and deacons.

My teeth clench when I hear or read such things. I am an EMHC myself, serving only because there is a need/Fr. has asked - I am borderline against them personally.

When I first started, they were referred to as 'special' instead of extraordinary. As if people couldn't understand (once it was explained) that priests and bishops are the Ordinary Ministers, and we laity who help out are extra-Ordinary.

38 posted on 12/23/2013 12:46:28 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mom MD

Well, and what is leadership? Teaching would be a leadership position, and one that women can do well as long as they don’t make it up as they go along.


39 posted on 12/23/2013 12:48:02 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1

Sorry I did not use the correct name. However, we do have men and women performing this task at the Cathedral where I attend Mass.


40 posted on 12/23/2013 12:51:25 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Mom MD

Well said


41 posted on 12/23/2013 2:28:55 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Patriotic1

Leadership - ordained position, pastor or priest, or higher.


42 posted on 12/23/2013 7:19:43 PM PST by Mom MD
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