Skip to comments.Do Democratic Lawmakers anticipate Treason Trials?
Posted on 12/23/2013 8:42:37 AM PST by Dracomeister
According to a report by Breitbarts Elizabeth Sheld, eight Democrat lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate the death penalty as a consequence for individuals convicted of numerous federal crimes, among them espionage and treason. Nothing happens in Washington without a reason, so The Federal Death Penalty Abolition Act (HR 3741) gives rise to a bevy of questions and suspicions.
What motivation would congressional Democrats have for wishing to neutralize the death penalty option for such serious crimes? While the average news consumer is conditioned to summarily dismiss the machinations of government unless it directly impacts their pocketbook, or their sensibilities are deliberately targeted by the press, common sense dictates that elected officials proposing such a law could be anticipating the requisite conditions, thus necessitating the law in the first place. So, who do these lawmakers suppose might be tried for treason, espionage, or the host of other federal crimes now punishable by death in the not-so-distant future? Well, take your pick. President Obama himself committed a treasonable offense in supplying military aid to rebels fighting against the Assad regime in Syria, first clandestinely and then overtly after circumventing laws expressly prohibiting same. What other treasonable offenses he may have committed attendant to this process (including those related to the 9/11/12 attack on the Benghazi compound) remains to be seen.
Obamas insinuation of Muslim Brotherhood operatives into sensitive government positions, as well as actions pursuant to his relationship with them are likely treasonable offenses. Despite the Muslim Brotherhoods intended goal in subjugating America and the rest of the globe, the only reason that this has not been an issue of contention is because Obama and his surrogates themselves do not wish it to be, the press has been complicit, and the Republican leadership are invertebrates. Then, there are the recent reports coming out of the Middle East as represented by former Muslim Brotherhood member Walid Shoebat. According to Naglaa Mahmoud, wife of Egypts ousted President Mohammed Morsi and Muslim Sisterhood operative, Bill and Hillary Clinton (with an emphasis on Hillary) have been deeply involved with the Brotherhood since the 1980s. Mahmoud has been implicated in Egypt in anti-government operations dedicated to returning her husband to power; he remains in Egyptian custody. Mahmoud recently appeared on Turkish television network Mehwar TV and alleged that the Clintons recruited her and her husband in the 1980s toward the end of advancing everything from Green initiatives in the West to the ascendancy of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East. Hillary Clintons Girl Friday just happens to be Huma Abedin (her Deputy Chief of Staff when she was Secretary of State), whose mother is a colleague of Mahmouds and a long-time leader in the Muslim Sisterhood. Oddly enough, one of the few topics that Mahmoud refuses to discuss is Abedin. According to Shoebat, In December of 2011, Abedin went on maternity leave. She returned in June of that year while simultaneously taking a job a Special Government Employee (SGE). In addition to her role their being quite ambiguous, questions about the legality of the arrangement caught the eye of Senator Charles Grassley, who sent Secretary of State John Kerry a letter demanding answers. What was Abedin doing? Who knows, but some of the activities in which Mahmoud alleges the Muslim Brotherhood and the Clintons were involved most certainly do not reflect a primary concern for the security of the United States. Were they treasonable? Only an extensive investigation might reveal that, but these allegations proffer that the Clintons relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood predates Bill becoming Governor of Arkansas. Then, we have the body counts. Recently, Larry Nichols, a former Clinton operative, almost casually admitted to having murdered for the Clintons on a regular basis, whether it was low-level political opponents, or weak link confidants who held information that might compromise their power. The lengthy list of individuals whose suspicious deaths directly benefitted Barack Obama began even before he received the Democratic nomination. Most recently of course, Hawaii State Health Director Loretta Fuddy was killed when the small plane carrying her and eight other people crashed into the ocean off the Hawaiian island of Molokai. The only fatality, she is the individual who certified (I use the term loosely) President Obamas long-form birth certificate. The circumstances and accounts of her demise are respectively, sketchy and conflicting at best. It is well-known that Obamas close associates include members of the Weather Underground, whose stated mission was overthrowing the American government. For his entire life, he has been surrounded by radicals, embittered, America-hating anti-colonialists, black nationalists, and avowed communists yet this has never entered into the area of popular discussion, even in the face of the myriad policies, orders, and actions the President brought about which have directly compromised Americas economy, national security, and domestic tranquility. Obamas origins narrative of course remains unresolved. This week for the first time, a mainstream publication supported the voracity of evidence that the President perpetrated a fraud with the forged long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011. It is a little-known fact that the submission of fraudulent documents toward attaining public office on the federal level remains an executable offense under the law. It is possible that we not only have a pathologically unethical oligarchy in perpetual residence in our government, but various Mafia-like families sharing and trading off power, operating as they see fit, and compromising this nation in ways most Americans cannot yet imagine. If so, the perpetrators must shudder to think of what an independent prosecutor or commission with no political allegiances might make of their activities over the last couple of decades. So, congressional Democrats sponsoring HR 3741 might have been persuaded to do so by influential parties who fear that they may at some point be charged with espionage or treason. On the other hand, they might be acting independently, in the anticipation of other prominent Democrats being so charged. Perhaps some may even have purposed to facilitate such charges being leveled, knowing how toxic certain individuals have become to the party. In such a case, they may be trying to spare their lives, as well as facilitating easier convictions. Some might rather not have the blood of colleagues on their hands, but perceive the imperative of removing people who have become dangers to the Democrat Party, as well as traitors to the United States.
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The democrat party of today would hardly exist if we had treason trials when they were called for. Of course the demonRats are opposed to them.
“What motivation would congressional Democrats have for wishing to neutralize the death penalty option for such serious crimes? “
That should be obvious. The democrat party, like its fearless leader, has nothing against anyone who betrays this country.
Pushing through the ACA without giving anyone time to read it firs qualifies as treason in my book.
Nothing happens in Washington without a reason
Because they removed the death row for treason
There, I made it rhyme....
>>Bad formatting, bad link.
Unless it was changed, the link worked for me.
Could have used a few paragraph breaks though.
Pushing through the ACA without giving anyone time to read it firs qualifies as treason in my book.
Selective re-editing of the ACA act by the executive branch is treason as well...
So is the non-enforcement of immigration laws and border security, the selective enforceemnt of laws, the abdication of the law via illegal treaties and arrangements with the UN...
I could go on and on....
It’s been fixed. It was bad.
This, combined with Dirty Harry’s nuclear warfare in the Senate to get judges in place quickly.
I can see treason trials following the removal of this rotten bastard from office along with his evil henchmen.
But I doubt the death penalty would be the result.
It may also be a way od luring Snowden back!
“Nothing happens in Washington without a reason
Because they removed the death row for treason
There, I made it rhyme....”
just in time..,(wait for it)
FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON!
Treason trials? Hah! Who would initiate them? A GOP afraid of its own shadow? We are in the midst of the biggest Constitutional Crisis this nation has faced since the Civil War and it refuses to lift a finger to do anything about it. We are no longer a nation of laws; we have overnight become a banana republic where whatever El Caudillo says is the law of the moment.
The Republican party is not innocent either.
Take, for example, the War on Drugs; it's justification is the commerce-clause which lists the states at the same level as foreign nations. If the federal government were to assert the same control over the buying and selling in foreign nations as it claims in interstate- (and intrastate-… and non-) commerce it would be rightly seen as an act of war and forcing the enforcement thereof would be consequent of waging that war. So then, the War on Drugs is rightly seen as a war on the several states, which fits the Constitution's definition of treason.
“Do Democratic Lawmakers anticipate Treason Trials?”
You betcha——and with good reason!!!!
That's what Zero has been saying for the last 3 years !
Too bad he 'misppoke' 39 times in front of the press about keeping your healthcare , your doctor, or your "period" .
Benghazi was treason
Fast and Furious was treason ,for both the USSA and Mexico
IRS political supression of the Tea Party could be considered treason .. if you draw out the logical impact .
Irresponsible funding of international terrorists could be considered treasonous
Irresponsible running up the national debt into bankruptcy could be considered treasonous.
Gee .., I have no idea why Demorats would want to lesson the penalty of treason , .. do you ?
Maybe they are plannning some future heinious crime , like estabilshing a dictatorship .. !! Naw that can't happend here !!
Oh please, there isn’t anyone in gov’t today who has the resolve to swing someone for any heinous act anyone can come up with.
Selective re-editing of the ACA act by the executive branch is treason as well...
So is ignoring same by those in congressional office.
There are some RATs who object to the death penalty in all cases; those proposing a bill that would eliminate the death penalty as a consequence for individuals convicted of espionage and treason would just be adding a side benefit for their fellow travelers.
Uhhhh...maybe for the same reason they oppose voter ID?
The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
By Richard Poe
May 26, 2003
CHINA WILL LIKELY replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build Chinas military strength than any man on earth.
Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate " scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance. Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites like so many others of the genre offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.
For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiots Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words. Here goes.
When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldnt hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.
China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.
In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal respectively, thus controlling access both ways. A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing Californias Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.
How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.
As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.
To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel OLeary to head the Department of Energy. OLeary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.
Federal investigators [Cox Report] later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clintons open-door policy probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes. Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.
In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clintons campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs.
Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.
"We like your president. We want to see him reelected," former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clintons way.
Clintons top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.
Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.
Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clintons front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Browns Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.
Needless to say, China does not share Clintons enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for Number One.
"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war." Bill Clinton has given them a good start.
The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate:
(this version hasn't the necessary hyperlinks, but the above doesn't seem to be available any longer)
Richard Poe, "Chinagate: The Third-Way Scandal" (June 3, 1999)
Christopher Ruddy, "Russia and China Prepare for War: Parts I - VIII," NewsMax.com (March 9 -18, 1999)
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
"As a globalist, [Bill] Clinton promotes "multipolarity" the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others."
From a 2003 Washington Post article:
"...a statement [Bill] Clinton made in February 2002, in which he told an audience in Australia, 'This is a unique moment in U.S. history, a brief moment in history, when the U.S. has preeminent military, economic and political power. It won't last forever. This is just a period, a few decades this will last.'
'In all probability, we won't be the premier political and economic power we are now' in a few decades, he said, pointing to the growth of China's economy and the growing economic strength of the European Union.
Whether the United States maintains its military supremacy, he said, depends in part on how much those other entities invest in their militaries, and Clinton said working cooperatively is essential to U.S. interests.
But he said he did not want to be misunderstood. 'I never advocated that we not have the strongest military in the world...I don't think a single soul has thought I was advocating scaling back our military.'
Source: Washington Post article from May 2003:
or find his remarks here (Talon News):
Clinton Predicts America's Decline:
True, but lots of regular folks would gladly pull the lever on the trap door...
When people ask me what the solution to fixing DC is...my answer is always the same:
Build a 12 man gallows in front of the Capital building...take three leadership members from each party and chamber...
Hang him high....the rest will either quit or start doing the right things to fix this country...
I am quite serious...
The ballot box is pretty much rigged (if you are a democrat), the gerrymandering is rigged, the corporations have WAY too much influence...
We are not going to get the message across to these basturds but by showing them we are serious...
Vladimir Putin praised Cold War-era scientists on Thursday for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets so that United States would not be the world's sole atomic power, in comments reflecting his vision of Russia as a counterweight to U.S. power.
Spies with suitcases full of data helped the Soviet Union build its atomic bomb, he told military commanders.
"You know, when the States already had nuclear weapons and the Soviet Union was only building them, we got a significant amount of information through Soviet foreign intelligence channels," Putin said, according to state-run Itar-Tass.
"The were carrying the information away not on microfilm but literally in suitcases. Suitcases!"
Putin's remarks referred to the dawn of the Cold War more than half a century ago, but they echoed a message he has made loud and clear more recently: that the United States needs to be restrained, and Russia is the country to do it.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff
Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.
It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.
He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 linchpin of our missile defense might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.
Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.
The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...
As term limits would help start culling out those who are looking for personal enrichment rather than to SERVE, a way to reduce corporate influence on politicians' decisions would be to have all political donations be ANONYMOUS. You can't sell influence if you don't know who is buying.
Corporations or individuals should be able to donate as they see fit, to those they believe will act in their best interest; that's freedom. But they should not be permitted to purchase the votes of legislators. A prison term for the donor and donee who conspire to do that would be appropriate.
Any bets on whether that policy would cause the corporate donations to drop like a stone?
Despite the posted article problems with the formatting, I went to the original article and these paragraphs got my attention on the problems of Obama’s DeadPool and Origins issues:
“Then, we have the body counts. Recently, Larry Nichols, a former Clinton operative, almost casually admitted to having murdered for the Clintons on a regular basis, whether it was low-level political opponents, or weak link confidants who held information that might compromise their power.
The lengthy list of individuals whose suspicious deaths directly benefitted Barack Obama began even before he received the Democratic nomination. Most recently of course, Hawaii State Health Director Loretta Fuddy was killed when the small plane carrying her and eight other people crashed into the ocean off the Hawaiian island of Molokai. The only fatality, she is the individual who certified (I use the term loosely) President Obamas long-form birth certificate. The circumstances and accounts of her demise are respectively, sketchy and conflicting at best.
It is well-known that Obamas close associates include members of the Weather Underground, whose stated mission was overthrowing the American government. For his entire life, he has been surrounded by radicals, embittered, America-hating anti-colonialists, black nationalists, and avowed communists yet this has never entered into the area of popular discussion, even in the face of the myriad policies, orders, and actions the President brought about which have directly compromised Americas economy, national security, and domestic tranquility.
Obamas origins narrative of course remains unresolved. This week for the first time, a mainstream publication supported the voracity of evidence that the President perpetrated a fraud with the forged long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011. It is a little-known fact that the submission of fraudulent documents toward attaining public office on the federal level remains an executable offense under the law.”
Funny... I have the exact opposite opinion...though I like your idea...
Donations from $.01 to infinity should be posted on a government website within 24 hours of the contribution...no more PACS or any organizations that collect donations for a party or a congressman...used to hide influence
That way everybody knows who is supporting or maybe "buying" influence...
You donate the the candidate...period...
Penalty for not disclosing a donations...1,000 X the donation...
I think it's tied up with Benghazi... Petraeus... bribes from the ME...
My point isn't that one party is "less bad" than the other; it's that they have both institutionalized disregard for the Constitution.
The result is that both parties keep alive contraconstitutional policies and laws which sometimes become treason; Fast & furious is an example of one which does reach to treason, the NSA spying doesn't [technically] reach to treason but shows utter disregard for the 4th, 6th and possibly 5th amendments.
I think that it has become increasingly clear that a loose and large consortium of powerful groups want Obama to stay in the White House. He is their front man, they make their money, and their own power grows. Powerful money interests have made even more money, internationalists have taken over much of the organs of government and the individual American has lost ever more freedom: we see real violations of our privacy and freedom of speech acted out with impunity with little or no repercussion. Based on what we know, it is highly unlikely we will get to any form of impeachment.
I know the firing squads would be in use if I took over.....
Traitors and their stooges in the corrupt news media. BLAM BLAM BLAM.
Just kidding. I would give them a fair trial before having them shot. : )
Actually I think it best if they were forced to live in the mideast or Cuba.
Paragraphs are your friend.
Now that is an interesting connection, coincidence ain’t it.
Treason and Judges...drip, drip, drip...
I thought the same thing postulated by the title of this article when the penalty change story came out a few days ago. Absolutely nothing happens by accident.
Sounds as though Hillary may be allergic to hemp rope.
They are Democrats.
There's nothing "Democratic" about the Democrat Party
As if we’ll be giving them trials. Thanks Dracomeister.
> eight Democrat lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate the death penalty as a consequence for individuals convicted of numerous federal crimes, among them espionage and treason.
‘Ex-CIA director: Snowden should be hanged if convicted for treason’
If appropriate for one, it is appropriate for all convicted, regardless of the position they held.
‘fair trial before having them shot’
That is a$$ backward to the process (_)o(_)bama uses for drone strikes.
Concoct story later.
Superiors/MSM will justify.
Same motivation they have for changing laws to make sex with children legal - when you are doing something illegal it's in your best interest to legalize it.
I have always thought leftist had no problem with killing babies because they were safely past that stage, but they feared the death penalty because they all think in their hearts that they are capable of doing something that would get them in that situation.
I think Lois Lerner committed treason against the American people. She used the power of gov to prevent political activity. Hanging her would be fine by me.