Skip to comments.What to Do When ObamaCare Unravels
Posted on 12/25/2013 3:15:11 PM PST by Innovative
The unraveling of the Affordable Care Act presents a historic opportunity for change. Its proponents call it "settled law," but as Prohibition taught us, not even a constitutional amendment is settled lawif it is dysfunctional enough, and if Americans can see a clear alternative.
There is an alternative. A much freer market in health care and health insurance can work, can deliver high quality, technically innovative care at much lower cost, and solve the pathologies of the pre-existing system.
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Republicans need to offer a free market alternative to Obamacare NOW -- not a patchwork of "fixes" but a whole free market based plan, BEFORE the 2014 elections.
Is that to be After we tell the DummyRATS we Told YOU SO, and stop LOAO?
As congress currently is constituted they will pass a bail out for the insurance companies to be followed shortly by a mandate that doctor’s be conscripted for the good of the country and then forced to work where told by the government
2014 will simply end this scandel of a law via the midterms.
Obama will never kill his signature legislation nor will the Dems give up on Obamacare. The midterms won’t change anything. If Obamacare starts going under, the Reps will help fix it so the Dems can kick the can down the road past the 2016 elections.
In order for a free-market solution to work, Medicare has to be repealed.
"Obamacare" is a severely dysfunctional attempt to escape from the collapse of the budgeting process and the inevitable destruction of the financial system, both caused by Medicare.
This is why Republicans in Congress (most of them) secretly support "Obamacare", and why they will not do anything that has a chance of success to undermine or eliminate it.
As long as Members of Congress are selected by voting, Medicare cannot be repealed. And as long as Medicare in its present form exists, the nation is doomed.
I think the midterms will at least put a dent to it. A number of Dems are going to pay dearly for this mistake of a law. Obama is looking more and more like a lame duck by the day. 2016 will simply seal the deal.
The Dems have always pursued a single payer system. Medicare took care of the old and Medicaid and CHIPs covered the poor and the young--all under a single payer system. Obamacare is just the last piece to complete the trifecta. We are headed to single payer if/when Obamacare goes under.
Hillary doesnt need any accomplishments for 2016. Just having a D after her name guarantees victory. Heres how many electoral votes she starts out with as absolute locks:
California - 55
Connecticut - 7
Delaware - 3
District of Columbia - 3
Hawaii - 4
Illinois - 20
Maine - 4
Maryland - 10
Massachusetts - 11
Michigan - 16
Minnesota - 10
New Jersey - 14
New York - 29
Oregon - 7
Rhode Island - 4
Vermont - 3
Washington - 12
This totals 212 votes. You need 270 to win. This list does not include states that lean heavily blue like PA (20), NV (6), CO (9), and VA (13.) They total 48 votes. So Hillary starts out with about 260 electoral votes. And I am not including Iowa that has gone Dem seven out of the last 8 presidential elections or WI (10 votes), which has gone Dem the last 7 elections.
Any Rep is going to have an uphill battle to win. Hillary and any other Dem will be the favorites. FL or Ohio or WI will win for the Dems.
I have gut feeling I am going to be right though.
How did your gut go in 2008 and 2012?
What the GOP needs to do where they own the state houses is pass legislation where each electoral vote goes to the winning candidate in that district...
The liberal states will never follow that example on their own accord but the conservative legal teams can sue in each state to have that put on the ballot...and let the people decide...
That's what drives me crazy. I'm a senior on Medicare, only part A. I was forced to pay premiums for it while I worked. Its purpose is to protect seniors from being financially drained by hospital stays, but still pay part of the bill. I doubt that much money is lost on that part of Medicare.
Parts B and D never should've happened. They drive up the costs of routine medical care and pharmaceuticals for seniors. Many seniors are over medicated and get all kinds of tests and screenings when they're not sick because it's part of their coverage. They're listening to doctors who always find something wrong, to be taken care of with medical treatment. I'm all for scrapping parts B and D. Anyone who has lived long enough to be on Medicare should be able to manage their own health and medical care. If they want more coverage, let them pay for it!
What to do when O’Care “unravels?” Open some CHAMPAGNE!!!
Things look good for pubbies in ‘14 & ‘16, but I never underestimate their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I believe a group of GOP ALREADY have a free market proposal for healthcare....it’s just that the press doesn’t want you to hear about it.
“Republicans need to offer a free market alternative to Obamacare NOW.”
Your comment assumes the gop wing of the uniparty wants to end deathcare. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Our elections are a joke. I don’t see the GOP ever winning again until Americans put their foot down and demand that anyone wishing to vote will be required to SHOW UP AT THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY and complete a PAPER BALLOT. That is the only way to stop the rampant voter fraud currently occurring in this country. Voting by mail, absentee ballots and “provisional” ballots are just a polite way of saying, VOTER FRAUD. Same day voter registration is a joke played by politicians on the American people.
“Overwhelming the system” could have unintended consequences never anticipated by Richard Cloward and Francis Piven.
Of course if they actually solve the problem both parties would lose the ability to demagogue the issue every two years...
For crying out loud Dr. Jim, I was having a good Christmas up 'til now. Now I find out that we are doomed and you don't offer a prescription for the mess or for me.
I suspect this whole Obamacare law was written for revenge. I suspect Ezekiel wrote this maze of illegal crap in retaliation for Valerie kicking his brother out of the WH.
I have a gut feeling that Kabar is right, unfortunately. I think it is Hillary in a landslide. I hope I am wrong, but I was wrong in 2008 and 2012 too.
Sadly, I agree.
ObamaCare actually cuts $1 trillion from Medicare over the next ten years.
That's Obama’s “gift” to elderly Americans who are currently more than 90% white.
Some of the “savings” will come from reducing payments to doctors and hospitals, which, obviously, will immediately lower the standard of care.
The rest of the savings will come from “preventative medicine.”
That means that once a year a second tier Affirmative Action M.D. will take your vitals, advise you to lose a little weight and eat more fruits and vegetables, and write you several new prescriptions.
That will be Obama’s gift to the pharmaceutical companies for quietly supporting ObamaCare.
Medicare is a promise to pay for a service without limit.
This cannot coexist with an honest annual budget, and, as long as our capitalist system has access to taxpayer dollars with a payment guarantee, more and more useful but expensive technologies will be invented and deployed.
And never under estimate rigged elections.
When you have the IRS and other rogue agencies targeting CONSERVATIVE voting blocks the game is over.
The ONLY way to have fair elections anymore is to destroy these agencies and those that work for them.
If it means blood in the streets, so be it. Lines in he sand are being drawn.
I guess it depends on who controls the machine. The purist commies in the party want Elizabeth Warren. They seem to be running things of late and Hillary could not pull it off with an unknown. I think you’re right on the electoral votes but the eventual candidate remains to be seen.
What historic change are they talking about? CommieCare IS change. if it unravels, then nothing changed.
The ONLY way to have fair elections anymore is to destroy these agencies and those that work for them.
If it means blood in the streets, so be it. Lines in he sand are being drawn.
At least you sound like you have some fight in you.
I'll leave it at that...
Jesus Christ: You cant impeach Him and He aint going to resign.
I agree about 14, but that victory will be their undoing.. Let me explain.. The moment they achieve a majority in both houses, we will demand that they overturn several programs that have NOW become a crutch in too many households..
Before they started receiving a government check the would have never thought that they would do it, but once that can was opened, they will support it.. The Obama administration has placed the corporate world on it’s ear, and made them revamp their business model, which they have now adapted, and adopted, LEAN and MEAN..
The corporate world former model was profit by expansion, now, because of the Obamacare passage they started to reduce world force, and halt expansion in the USA, and found a new model in cheaper venues, overseas, contract labor and temps, to adjust the normal cyclical requirements..
It works but not in the Nations favor.. The stock market views the P and L statements and sees the new profit margins and reacted positively, stagnant growth with higher margins, thus multiple new highs..
They may return to the older methods, but I doubt it will happen soon, if at all.. Expansion can’t happen without demand.. Demand can’t happen without growth, and the push will go to the higher stock values..
Government provided health plans should be the same for politicians and civilians.
But it is about to become more like Medicaid.
Long delays for treatment, second tier physicians, and second tier facilities.
Naturally, all this happens one year before I become eligible!
I disagree that America is doomed financially.
Younger Americans, a majority of whom will be foreign born, first generation, or non-white, will simply default.
The “doomed” will be the elderly, who will be disproportionately Conservative non-Hispanic whites.
study Medicare Advantage
Your post is silly
And pray that you are not ill when it does boil over.
If the Republicans come up with a good idea the Democrats will, with the help of a slavish press, make the idea their own and run against the Republicans with it. If the Republicans are to come up with an option it should be fully formed, named and soon. Come Spring and leaking of the 2015 insurance rates and employer based policy problems the Red State Democrats will be desperate.
NOTRE DAME PROFESSOR ON OBAMACARE
THE CHRISTIAN POST ^ | 11/20/2013 | Laura Hollis
Obamacare Should Remind Us We Are Not ‘Subjects,’ We Are People Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame November 20, 2013 http://www.christianpost.com/news/obamacare-should-remind-us-we-are-not-subjects-we-are-people-109165/
Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame
The unveiling of the dictatorial debacle that is Obamacare absolutely flabbergasts me. It is stunning on so many levels, but the most shocking aspect of it for me is watching millions of free Americans stand idly by while this man, his minions in Congress and his cheerleaders in the press systematically dismantle our Constitution, steal our money, and crush our freedoms. The President, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (with no small help from Justice John Roberts) take away our health care, and we allow it. They take away our insurance, and we allow it. They take away our doctors, and we allow it. They charge us thousands of dollars more a year, and we allow it. They make legal products illegal, and we allow it. They cripple our businesses, and we allow it. They announce by fiat that we must ignore our most deeply held beliefs and we allow it.
Where is your spine, America ? Yes, I know people are complaining. I read the news on the internet. I read blogs. I have a Twitter feed. So what? People in the Soviet Union complained. People in Cuba complain. People in China complain (quietly). Complaining isn’t the same thing as doing anything about it. In fact, much of the complaining that we hear sounds like resignation: Wow. This sucks. Oh well, this is the way things are. Too bad. Perhaps you need reminding of a few important facts. Here goes:
1. The President is not a king. Barack Obama does not behave like a President, an elected official, someone who realizes that he works for us. He behaves like a king, a dictator someone who believes that his own pronouncements have the force of law, and who thinks he can dispense with the law’s enforcement when he deigns to do so. And those of us who object? How dare we? Racists! And while he moves steadily “forward” with his plans to “fundamentally transform” the greatest country in human history, he distracts people with cheap, meaningless trivialities, like “free birth control pills”! (In fact, let’s face it: this administration’s odd obsession with sex in general - Birth control! Abortion! Sterilization! Gay guys who play basketball! — is just plain weird. Since when did the leader of the free world care so much about how people have sex, who they have it with, and what meds they use when they have it? Does he have nothing more important to concern himself with?)
2. It isn’t just a failed software program; it is a failed philosophy. People are marveling that Healthcare.gov was such a spectacular failure. Well, if one is only interested in it as a product launch, I’ve explained some of the reasons for that here. But the larger point is that it isn’t a software failure, or even a product failure; it is a philosophy failure. I have said this before: Obama is not a centrist; he is a central planner. And this all of it: the disastrous computer program, the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted, the lies, the manipulation of public opinion, the theft of the public’s money and property, and freedom (read insurance, and premiums, and doctors) — IS what central planning looks like. The central premise of central planning is that a handful of wunderkinds with your best interests at heart (yeah, right) know better than you what’s good for you. The failure of such a premise and the misery it causes have been clear from the dawn of humanity. Kings and congressmen, dictators and Dear Leaders, potentates, princes and presidents can all fall prey to the same imperial impulses: “we know what is good the ‘the people.’ And they are always wrong. There is a reason that the only times communism has really been tried have been after wars, revolutions, or coups d’état. You have to have complete chaos for people to be willing to accept the garbage that centralized planning produces. Take the Soviet Union , for example. After two wars, famine, and the collapse of the Romanov dynasty, why wouldn’t people wait in line for hours to buy size 10 shoes? Or settle for the gray matter that passed for meat in the grocery stores? But communism’s watered-down cousin, socialism, isn’t much better. Ask the Venezuelans who cannot get toilet paper. Toilet paper. ¡Viva la Revolución! Contrary to what so many who believe in a “living Constitution” say, the Founding Fathers absolutely understood this. That is why the Constitution was set up to limit government power. (Memo to the President: the drafters of the Constitution deliberately didn’t say “what government had to do on your behalf.”) They understood that that was the path to folly, fear, and famine.)
3. Obama is deceitful. Just as the collapse of the computer program should not surprise anyone, neither should we be shocked that the President lied about his healthcare plan. Have any of you been paying attention over the past few years? Obama has made no secret of his motivations or his methods. The philosophies which inspire him espouse deceit and other vicious tactics. (Don’t take my word for it: read Saul Alinsky.) Obama infamously told reporter Richard Wolffe, “You know, I actually believe my own bullshit.” He has refused to be forthcoming about his past (where are his academic records?). His own pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, told author Ed Klein, that Obama said to him, “You know what your problem is? You have to tell the truth.” Did Obama lie when he said dozens of times, “If you like you plan, you can keep it. Period!”? Of course he did. That’s what he does.
4. The media is responsible. And had the media been doing their jobs, we would have known a lot of this much, much earlier. The press is charged with the sacred responsibility of protecting the people from the excesses of government. Our press has been complicit, incompetent, or corrupt. Had they vetted this man in 2008, as they would have a Republican candidate, we would have known far more about him than we do, even now. Had they pressed for more details about Obamacare, Congress’ feet would have been held to the fire. Had they done their jobs about Eric Holder, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, NSA spying - or any of the other myriad betrayals of the public trust that this administration has committed, Obama would likely have lost his 2012 reelection campaign. (A fact that even The Washington Post has tacitly acknowledged. Well done, fellas! Happy now?) Instead, they turned a blind eye, even when they knew he was lying, abusing power, disregarding the limits of the Constitution. It was only when he began to spy on them, and when the lies were so blatant that the lowest of low-information voters could figure it out that they realized they had to report on it. (Even in the face of blatant, deliberate and repeated lies, The New York Times has the audacity to tell us that the President “misspoke.”) They have betrayed us, abandoned us, and deceived us.
5. Ted Cruz was right. So was Sarah Palin. The computer program is a disaster. The insurance exchanges are a disaster. What’s left? The healthcare system itself. And this, of necessity, will be a disaster, too. Millions of people have lost their individual insurance plans. In 2015, millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage (a fact which the Obama administration also knew, and admitted elsewhere).
The exorbitant additional costs that Obamacare has foisted on unsuspecting Americans are all part of a plan of wealth confiscation and redistribution. That is bad enough. But it will not end there. When the numbers of people into the system and the corresponding demand for care vastly exceed the cost projections (and they will, make no mistake), then the rationing will start. Not only choice at that point, but quality and care itself will go down the tubes. And then will come the decisions made by the Independent Payment Advisory Board about what care will be covered (read “paid for”) and what will not. That’s just a death panel, put politely. In fact, progressives are already greasing the wheels for acceptance of that miserable reality as well. They’re spreading the lie that it will be about the ability of the dying to refuse unwanted or unhelpful care. Don’t fall for that one, either. It will be about the deaths that inevitably result from decisions made by people other than the patients, their families, and their physicians. (Perhaps it’s helpful to think of their assurances this way: “If you like your end-of-life care, you can keep your end-of-life-care.”)
6. We are not SUBJECTS. (or, Nice Try, the Tea Party Isn’t Going Away). We have tolerated these incursions into our lives and livelihoods too long already. There is no end to the insatiable demand “progressives” have to remake us in their image. Today it is our insurance, our businesses, our doctors, our health care. Tomorrow some new crusade will be announced that enables them to take over other aspects of our formerly free lives. I will say it again: WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS. Not only is the Tea Party right on the fiscal issues, but it appears that they are more relevant than ever. We fought a war once to prove we did not want to be the subjects of a king, and the Boston Tea Party was just a taste of the larger conflict to come. If some people missed that lesson in history class, we can give them a refresher. The 2014 elections are a good place to start. Call your representative, your senator, your candidate and tell them: “We are not subjects. You work for us. And if the word “REPEAL” isn’t front and center in your campaign, we won’t vote for you. Period.”
Laura Hollis is an attorney and teaches entrepreneurship and business law at the University of Notre Dame . She resides in Indiana with her husband and two children.
Finally, someone who thinks like me In this country many people have always talked about the banana republics (referring mostly to Central and South American countries), their revolutions, their coup detats, etc. But when the governments act like they have in those countries, usually that is the ONLY way to get rid of them. In this country, up to 2008, that was not the case but since then it is rapidly going that route and the natives are not used to it nor prepared to fight it effectively. Most of those natives (and sadly quite a few natives of those banana republics) naively believe in the checks and balances which the usurper is quietly but swiftly doing away with. I repeat Professor Hollis words: Where is your spine, America ? In case someone wants to write, her address is firstname.lastname@example.org
What they need to do is repeal the POS, return regulation to the states, reinstate the High Risk Pools, reinstate the HSAs, and allow portability and purchasing across state lines...just like other types of insurance.
GA Rep Tom Price's HR 2300 has always looked pretty good, here's the actual bill
It's like a wish list. Read it and keep your fingers crossed.
The rigging of elections is so blatant that it is obvious the demcommies don’t fear the law in any form. They also don’t fear that people will take the law into their own hands. Sadly, they are probably right on both counts.
I voted in both years.
Revolt is coming.
Indeed I are!
If it does, the civil war will look like a church bake sale. To be honest, I don’t think there are enuff Americans left to whip the Dallas Cheerleaders. Especially if they start the revolt during the halftime show.