Posted on 01/03/2014 9:54:48 PM PST by neverdem
Mass shootings like the ones that have occurred in recent years in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo., have tripled in recent years, according to a study set to be published next week for the FBI.
Researchers looked at active shootings in public settings where the primary motive appeared to be mass murder and at least one victim was unrelated to the shooter, according to Yahoo News, which obtained the report.
The study, to be published next week in the “FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,” a training publication for those in the criminal justice profession, was written by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at Texas State University...
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Researchers looked at 110 active shooter attacks, and found that they occur most often at businesses (40 percent) and schools (29 percent)...
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Almost half of the active shootings are over before additional help can arrive, the study said, and potential victims actually stopped the attacker in 17 such cases...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
The brilliant T. Sowell says, “There are no solutions, only tradeoffs.” I think this is very nearly a concise summation of the conservative worldview.
The article is about the obvious fact that if there were more people walking around armed fewer mass shootings would succeed. Do you disagee?
So I try to start a discussion about what the tradeoffs in such a world might be. To which you and others respond by calling names and asserting there would BE no tradeoffs.
To some freepers guns are magic implements, the inverse of the liberal attitude. Guns cause good things to happen by their very presence, just as liberals think they track people down and murder them.
Guns are tools, like any other tool they can be used wisely or poorly. The more of them around and in use, like any other tool, the more misuses and accidents will occur.
But we’re not supposed to discuss such issues, because that would be cowardly. We’re supposed to pretend only good things happen with increased use of guns.
Shoot = school?
Who knew!
Airbags 'protect' us too, but then why are there warnings about them in my car?
>>Guns are tools, like any other tool they can be used wisely or poorly. The more of them around and in use, like any other tool, the more misuses and accidents will occur.
>>But we’re not supposed to discuss such issues, because that would be cowardly. We’re supposed to pretend only good things happen with increased use of guns.
I have used tools for my entire life. If you respect the capabilities and limitations of the tool, you will be safe. For every woodworker with 3 fingers on his hand, there are a million with 5.
Adding more guns to the mix may not be 100% perfect, but the shooter in an active shooter situation has already added one gun to the mix and that is certainly bad. So, you are right—to say that adding a few more in the hands of good people IS cowardly.
Is there a link to this?
I’m trying to put the keyword, “armedcitizen,” on these kind of threads for future reference.
Thanks.
So why isn’t anyone from either party or gun rights organization talking about repealing the 1990 Gun Free School Zones Act?
Armed Citizens?
Reminds me of the old west days when everybody (supposedly) carried a gun. Lot of things got settled real quick and then it was on to the saloon to celebrate the demise of the villan.
I guess I would be up for that.
Reminds me of the old west days when everybody (supposedly) carried a gun. Lot of things got settled real quick and then it was on to the saloon to celebrate the demise of the villan.
I guess I would be up for that.
Yeah, right.
An Arizona expression is that anyone using a gun in a crime in Arizona is either “not from here”; or is so crazy that they don’t care if people are shooting at them.
This implies several things which are self-evident truths of common public gun ownership.
1) Mass shooting tend to happen in “gun free zones” for two reasons. First is that the shooter can focus on shooting people, instead of worrying about being shot.
And second, because there is no one there to shoot him. It’s noteworthy that in several such instances, as soon as someone with a gun showed up to stop the shooter, the shooter killed themselves. They were *prepared* to kill themselves when that happened. What the shooter craves is *time* to kill others before someone with a gun arrives. If there are guns in the area, they might not get to kill *anyone* before being shot, so it ruins their scheme.
2) Insane but still partially functional people have a problem inhibiting their mental illness themselves. But knowing that there are armed people about, who may very well shoot them if they do something dangerous, reinforces their inhibitions against going on a rampage.
The exception to this rule are those that are *so* insane, that they don’t care if others are shooting at them, like Jerad Loughner in Tucson. He is so incredibly nuts that he cannot stand trial, and will be forced to take antipsychotic drugs for the rest of his abbreviated life.
I wonder how accurate they are?
Here's an Oldie but Goodie...
Treat Them to a Good Dose of Lead (Why the ‘Wild West’ was not what Liberals claim)
True.
Multiple Victim Public Shootings
John R. Lott Jr.
Crime Prevention Research Center
William M. Landes
University of Chicago Law School; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)
October 19, 2000
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=272929
Check out Link #51.
We will probably be lucky to get 10% of the population to carry. In some states the number of CCW permits (North Dakota, Washington) approaches this number. That is enough to inhibit most evil doers, and keep the number to the self selected. This happens anyway because a bit of self discipline and competence is intrinsically required to carry all the time.
We could likely prevent 2/3 of rampage/mass shootings if we simply prevented the MSM from promoting them.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/stop-school-shootings-hold-media.html
Maybe just me and the era in which I grew up, but I would never try to rob a place called Uncle Tony’s Italian Cuisine.
A very common site on roads in aforementioned areas are pick-up trucks with rifle racks. Said racks have rifles loaded and ready. In addition said occupants of said truck often have handguns loaded and ready under the seats.
Yet crime is negligible. Why do you suppose that is?
Yeah, part of the equation is that inhabitants of said areas have traditional values and traditional morals. They may be dirt poor but would no more even think of robbing and killing you than a street thug in one of your inner cities would think of getting a minimum wage job at McDonald's and working his way through trade school.
The other part of that equation is that armed citizens are so prevalent that there is a high chance that even attempting to rob or kill someone could end with fatal results for the perps. It is much easier to hunt prey in the nearest big city where guns are frowned upon.
Tru dat!
A Republican filed a bill to do just that. I believe it was mentioned on freerepublic. Of course, he did not get any support from the party leadership.
That “properly prepare” part is where I’ve been for the past half century or so. A little bit of firepower close by goes a really long way toward changing the plans of the neighborhood dumbass——been there-—done that.
I actually think it would be a good thing if more honest citizens packed. Never have said otherwise.
On this thread I have merely pointed out that as the percentage of the population packing increases, at some point this will result in problems, including more firearms accidents and "rage" type incidents. Does anyone really dispute this?
Let's assume 1% of the population is packing now. Increase this to 50% and simply as a result of numbers one would expect 50x the number of such incidents.
This leaves aside the, IMO, extremely relevant point of the caliber/quality of those packing. It seems to me indisputable that 50% of the population packing would include a much higher percentage that are incompetent and/or irresponsible than the present elite 1%.
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