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Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero
Cumming Home ^ | January 7, 2014 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

Posted on 01/07/2014 6:48:32 AM PST by BigReb555

The Georgia Division Sons of Confederate Veterans will again sponsor their annual Robert E. Lee Birthday Commemorative on Saturday January 18, 2014 at the Old Capitol Building, 201 E. Greene St., Milledgeville, Georgia.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: army; birthday; civilwar; confederacy; confederateamerican; dixie; general; robertelee; thesouth; westpoint
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To: DManA

BE GONE FOOL: madison10


61 posted on 01/07/2014 7:47:52 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: Lowell1775
US Grant owned slaves through his wife until 1866.

I live in Missouri and we outlawed slavery in January 1865 so I don't think you're correct in that.

62 posted on 01/07/2014 7:48:35 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ZULU

Correct. He was a gambler, but did not take foolish risks. However, he also recognized the increasingly desperate situation the south was in and thus was willing to increase the level of risks taken.


63 posted on 01/07/2014 7:50:03 AM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Lowell1775
Other states who might have joined the South’s resistance ..

Having roots there (via Phila, Cumberland Gap, then KY), a big chunk of southern Illinois was decidedly of grey sympathies,
with a few having meandered over to Missouri to lend a hand to Quantrill, et al., and others to points south.

Much of the attitude remains to this day . . there's Shitcago, and there's Illinois, then there's southern.bygod.Illinois

64 posted on 01/07/2014 7:55:26 AM PST by tomkat (unreconstructable)
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To: DManA
Traitor is the opposite of honorable.

I'm no fan of the CSA or the cause for which it fought, but this ignores the circumstances of the time.

Two Army officers from VA were in 1860 faced with the choice of treason to their State or to their Nation.

Thomas chose to remain loyal to his nation and was convicted of treason against his State, his property was confiscated and disowned by his family. He went on to become one of the greatest of Union generals.

Lee chose to remain loyal to his State. His property was confiscated by the USA and converted into a military cemetery. He went on to become the greatest of Confederate generals.

Both were great men and great Americans. Each was faced with a choice between treasons, with the only alternative to betraying one or the other of their allegiances being a refusal to serve, probably by leaving the country. Both made honorable choices.

65 posted on 01/07/2014 7:59:25 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BigReb555
"There will be memorial tributes to honor Dr. Martin Luther King in January and…. "

11/12/13

Danielle was absent from school yesterday 11/11 13 because of Veteran’s Day. She will go to school on Veteran’s Day when kids Go to school on Martin Luther King Day.

Thanks,
XXX
Big Red 1
Vietnam Vet
Sgt E-5
(real letter)

66 posted on 01/07/2014 8:02:57 AM PST by yoe
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To: Vaquero
I often wonder had Lincoln lived, would he have moved the freed slaves to Guyana where he had planned to move them and solved many of the problems we live with to this day...

You can stop wondering. Lincoln had abandoned the idea of colonization long before his murder. He never envisioned it as anything but voluntary, and gave it up when it became clear there would be few volunteers.

It was never anything but a pipe-dream, anyway. The logistics and cost of such a project were well beyond the capacities of a 19th century economy.

Would be difficult today. It's equivalent would be conquering a large enough area on another continent, then transporting 45M Americans who don't want to go, and maintaining them till they could support themselves. Just not feasible.

67 posted on 01/07/2014 8:03:16 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: matginzac

My wife has that book. I must read it.


68 posted on 01/07/2014 8:05:36 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: Sherman Logan

If you can mangle the meaning of the word honorably to cover Lee then the word has no meaning.


69 posted on 01/07/2014 8:08:22 AM PST by DManA
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To: momtothree

And there will be endless posts. One side will argue for “slavery was wrong” and “you can’t secede from the Union”. The other side will counter with “it was about states rights” and “secession is legal and Constitutional”.

Right, wrong or indifferent, slavery was legal and settled law. The Yankee government had NO right whatsoever in telling the states they could not have slaves.

It would be like forcing citizens to buy health insurance.


70 posted on 01/07/2014 8:10:08 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: ZULU
The War Between the States raise in me so many conflicting feelings that it is hard to take a stand either way.

Me too. I think that is why more has been written about the US "Civil War" than any other war in history.

R.E.L. was an honest and respected man. My favorite quote that helped me with my kids. "Never do a wrong thing to make or keep a friend."

71 posted on 01/07/2014 8:11:51 AM PST by super7man
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To: Lowell1775
US Grant owned slaves through his wife until 1866.

This is inaccurate on several levels.

Julia Grant lived in MO. All slaves in MO were freed on Jan. 11, 1865.

Julia Grant often spoke of "her" slaves, a gift from her father, but the records are unclear whether legal title was ever transferred.

There were NO slaves left in America in 1866. 13A freed the last ones, about 50k in KY and a few hundred in DE, in December of 1865.

Grant owned one slave in his lifetime. He freed him before the war, at a time when his family was in desperate financial trouble, and the slave could have been sold for the equivalent today of tens of thousands of dollars.

Criticisms of Grant for hypocrisy on the slavery issue fall apart in every direction.

72 posted on 01/07/2014 8:12:51 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BigReb555
In 1838, with the rank of captain, Lee fought valiantly in the War with Mexico and was wounded at the Battle of Chapultepec.


The Mexican War began in 1848.

73 posted on 01/07/2014 8:13:39 AM PST by society-by-contract (Repeal The Federal Reserve Act)
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To: NTHockey
The Yankee government had NO right whatsoever in telling the states they could not have slaves.

Unfortunately it wasn't so much the fed telling southerners what they could and couldn't own - or do with their property - as it was the southern slavers who demanded that the rest of the country toe the line in tacit acceptance of the Particular Institution.

It would be like forcing citizens to buy health insurance.

No, it would be like fags coming into your state and forcing you to accept their "marriages".

74 posted on 01/07/2014 8:20:51 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Lowell1775
Remember, Lincoln was elected with only 39.7% of the popular vote and 17 of 34 states.

Never have understood supposed conservatives and constitutionalists presenting this as an argument to supposedly invalidate Lincoln's election.

He won a considerable majority of the Electoral College, the mechanism set up by the Constitution to elect the President. His popular vote percentage is comprehensively irrelevant.

He would have won the election even if his opponents had fused behind a single slate of anti-Lincoln electors.

Apparently, if the Constitution and its mechanisms don't produce the results you want, it's okay to take your ball and go home.

75 posted on 01/07/2014 8:21:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rappini

And please educate those here that think otherwise... who was it exactly in Africa that sold these slaves to the slave traders? Who was the first American to ever sue in court to be able to own another human being? What race was that man?

I hate slavery... it should never have been allowed in the US. I am Southern and a direct descendent of Jefferson Davis... and I wish slavery had never been allowed in the colonies... especially after we threw off the chains of king george. White boys should have picked their own damned cotton.


76 posted on 01/07/2014 8:22:11 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: DManA

I think the USA was a different entity back then. As I recall when Lee was asked if he would accept the Union Army commander position, his reply was, “I cannot go against Virgina”. Loyalty back then was much more state than union oriented,

I think it is difficult for us to understand the political/social situation on the ground back then. Was the civil war ultimately about Slavery? Ultimately yes, though it is somewhat convoluted.

Would the men who died for the Confederacy have sacrificed their lives solely for the institution of Slavery? I doubt it. I think there was enough convoluted issues back then for a soldier to be for the South but neutral or against slavery.


77 posted on 01/07/2014 8:25:44 AM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: DManA

Obviously we’re going to disagree on this point.

But it seems to me a man given no choice except to violate one of his two allegiances can act honorably whichever he chooses.

There were, of course, men on both sides who chose sides for opportunistic or other dishonorable reasons, but there is zero evidence that Lee was among them.

In fact, I believe there is good evidence he fully understood the South was likely to lose. This is evidenced by, among other evidence, his understanding that the only way for the South to win, once foreign intervention became impossible, was to go forth and conquer a peace. Defensive strategy could lead, in the end, to nothing but a delayed defeat.


78 posted on 01/07/2014 8:27:11 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BigReb555

Robert E. Lee was a true American hero.

If only we had one to lead us today with the courage and dignity this gentleman displayed.


79 posted on 01/07/2014 8:27:16 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

These statist fools believe that the Civil War was about slavery. Even Lincoln wasn’t in favor of freeing them.

It’s just too damned bad the planters of the south didn’t utter these five words:

LET’S PICK OUR OWN COTTON!

Seward wanted to return ALL negroes back to Africa and he almost got the support to do it.


80 posted on 01/07/2014 8:30:17 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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