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Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen's body may be too deteriorated to save
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 06 Jan 14 | Lisa M. Krieger and David DeBolt

Posted on 01/07/2014 9:43:49 AM PST by Drew68

A day after winning the three-week battle to take their brain-dead daughter from Children's Hospital Oakland, the family of Jahi McMath conceded Monday they are losing the ghastly war against nature.

Her body, checked in at an undisclosed care facility Monday morning, has deteriorated so badly, that "Right now, we don't know if she's going to make it," said attorney Christopher Dolan.

"She's in very bad shape," he said. "What I can tell you is that those examinations show that her medical condition, separate from the brain issue, is not good."

Dolan's frank and sober assessment echoes a Friday legal declaration by Children's Hospital Oakland critical care pediatrician Dr. Heidi R. Flori, who opposed surgical insertion of a feeding tube because the girl's body was deteriorating.

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KEYWORDS: deathpanels; jahimcmath; mcmath; medicalabuse; starvation; waronchildren
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To: heartwood

It’s been suggested that her family indulged her want of food even though she was not supposed to eat anything, therefore causing the bleeding problem that led to her death.


41 posted on 01/07/2014 10:43:12 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: OldPossum

The mother said that even if an outside doctor says she is brain dead, they will not stop trying to “save” her. They are either delusional, in denial, ignorant or greedy (or a combination of same).


42 posted on 01/07/2014 10:46:25 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Supposedly, the family has not given the hospital permission to speak. It appears HIPAA continues after death. Therefore, we get the self-serving statements of their shyster lawyer and the family versus mostly silence from the hospital.


43 posted on 01/07/2014 10:51:37 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

Health Information of Deceased Individuals

45 CFR 160.103, paragraph (2)(iv) of the definition of “protected health information”

Background

The HIPAA Privacy Rule protects the individually identifiable health information about a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/decedents.html


44 posted on 01/07/2014 10:53:08 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“...enormous differences between coma, persistent vegetative state, and brain death.”

Good point. Even with all the medical people in my immediate and extended family, I hadn’t even thought about it in those terms.


45 posted on 01/07/2014 10:57:23 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: heartwood

She came to in recovery, asked for a popsicle. Soon, she started to bleed from the mouth. The grandmother, a nurse, demanded a suction tube for the blood to be suctioned out of her mouth. She should never have been talking, asking for a popsicle, etc.. If that process was initiated by the mother, there are troubles afoot.


46 posted on 01/07/2014 11:01:39 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: Drew68

This means they will dialing the lawyers right after they bury her.


47 posted on 01/07/2014 11:03:30 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: goodwithagun
There is also no definitive declaration that there is an infection.

You are correct. The surgery it's self was for sleep apnea, not for tonsil infection. The only source for information of infection so far is Dolan.

Typically, bedridden, immobile patients that have endured severe stress occurrence are prone to infection, but there is no released confirmation, that I can find, in this case, at this time.

48 posted on 01/07/2014 11:12:43 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: PghBaldy

Yep, see my #48.


49 posted on 01/07/2014 11:16:12 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: PGR88; US Navy Vet
I think you're right here, PGR88.

Jahi McMath's situation is radically different from that of Terri Schiavo. Mrs. Schiavo was an otherwise-healthy woman with all systems working just fine, except for her severe brain injury which apparently shut down her cognitive capacities. She was not "brain-dead" nor even dying, not in pain, able to breathe and maintain homeostasis on her own. She was deprived of food/water in order to kill her--- and that was murder most intentional.

In Jahi's case, she suffered cardiac arrest and total, irreversible death of the entire brain, including brain stem, weeks ago. There has no been any blood circulation to the brain or any electrical activity in the brain for weeks. They are simply ventilating a corpse.

This is the unanimous finding of the hospital doctors, and the outside doctors who were chosen and brought in at the parents' request.

Her parents need to remove the tubes and wires and give their much-loved daughter's mortal remains a respectful, prayerful interment.

50 posted on 01/07/2014 11:16:28 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord, and may perpetual Light shine upon her.")
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To: cripplecreek

from the looks of things she wasn’t in god shape to begin with, starving her only accelerated the wasting away..

I cannot imagine having to pull the plug on one of my children, but Jahi died 27 days ago. It’s unfortunate that her parents refused to accept it at the time.

We all know that doctor’s bury their mistakes. An autopsy would have revealed why she died, and more importantly negligence, if there was any.


51 posted on 01/07/2014 11:35:48 AM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: cripplecreek
She was starved for 27 days.

Her soul entered Heaven 28 days ago.

52 posted on 01/07/2014 11:44:06 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Aliska
Anyway, there is a doctor who was brain dead, claimed to go to heaven. It's on YT somewhere. He came back and tells what he saw.

No one has ever recovered from clinical brain (cerebellum or brain stem) death. No one in modern medical history that is. Lazarus and Jesus are are two historical examples that we know of, however.

53 posted on 01/07/2014 11:47:14 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: carriage_hill; Sherman Logan
“...enormous differences between coma, persistent vegetative state, and brain death.”
Good point. Even with all the medical people in my immediate and extended family, I hadn’t even thought about it in those terms.

Here you go. This needs to be read by everyone before commenting on this case. She has been diagnosed a half dozen times, 3 by the hospital, 1 by an independent doctor, 1 by a doctor recommended by the family's attorney, and someone else.

She is brain dead. Her brain at this point is liquified and either draining out her nose, or is a large watery cyst. Her organs are decomposing. Her eyeballs look like raisins and the interior of her mucous linings are crawling with bacterial decomposition and stench.

The saddest part of this case is that she could have saved a half dozen or more people with her organs, her skin, her cornea, hair, cartilige, bone marrow, etc. had the family listened to the hospital. Now, from what I understand, she may be too far gone to even embalm (Freeper morticians and/or Army 92M can correct me on that statement).

One blessing in this case is that my wife and I, and our clients have been reviewing their family estate trusts to make sure that everyone's wishes are known if the unthinkable happen. On a personal level, if my brother, my uncle, and another doctor come to the same medical conclusion, immediately prep my body for organ donation so that my last act will be giving something to someone who needs it.

Anyways, please MASH HERE to read about the diffrences between coma, vegetative states, and clinical brain death

54 posted on 01/07/2014 11:58:57 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Drew68

Goodness gracious! Those posters on the back wall are Soviet era propoganda prop look-alikes!


55 posted on 01/07/2014 11:59:18 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: goodwithagun

“There is also no definitive declaration that there is an infection.”

I think an infection starts after a period on that machine. My husband was put on one and he had no infection at the time (he had cancer). After being on the machine a few days, he developed an infection and we had to wear gowns and masks to go in the room from then on. He was not dead at the time he was put on the machine and not dead when they took it off.


56 posted on 01/07/2014 12:10:18 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella
I think an infection starts after a period on that machine. My husband was put on one and he had no infection at the time (he had cancer). After being on the machine a few days, he developed an infection and we had to wear gowns and masks to go in the room from then on.

The article explains why this happens:


57 posted on 01/07/2014 12:18:26 PM PST by Drew68
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To: DCBryan1

Thanks, there are various stages (depths?) of coma, PVS and brain death.

The problem is that to the average person they look very much alike.

However, people who have been in comas, sometimes for years, wake up all the time. Even from PVS.

AFAIK, nobody has ever recovered from true brain death.


58 posted on 01/07/2014 12:23:12 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: heartwood
Metabolism is still ongoing outside of the brain, or there wouldn’t be debates like this.

Again, from the article:


59 posted on 01/07/2014 12:25:49 PM PST by Drew68
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To: definitelynotaliberal

It was also suggested that another parent in the ICU saw the mother give her a cheeseburger while making her talk and laugh. Also the grandmother took it upon herself to start suctioning the blood.


60 posted on 01/07/2014 12:40:52 PM PST by windcliff
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