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Let's Not Kid Ourselves About Marijuana
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 15. 2014 | MITCHELL S. ROSENTHAL

Posted on 01/15/2014 9:15:01 PM PST by MeshugeMikey

Let's Not Kid Ourselves About Marijuana Adolescents are vulnerable—and not just to pot. That's how they are programmed. They make rash and risky choices because their brains aren't fully developed. The part of the brain that censors dumb or dangerous behavior is last to come on line (generally not before the mid-20s). Meanwhile, the brain's pleasure-seeking structures are up and running strong by puberty.

When you link adolescent pleasure-seeking and risk-taking to marijuana's impairment of perception and judgment, it isn't surprising that a 2004 study of seriously injured drivers in Maryland found half the teens tested positive for pot.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; libertarians; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; potheads
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1 posted on 01/15/2014 9:15:01 PM PST by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey

With public education and liberal brainwashing universities, these kids aren’t going to need those brain cells.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 9:19:38 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

I understand that Cursive....is a thing of the past at this point...and that common sense is no linger common.

I suspect that the impulsivity mentioned in the article combined with a lack or morals is why we are seeing all these bizarre TEEN “fun” crimes recently.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 9:22:28 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
I understand that Cursive....is a thing of the past at this point...and that common sense is no linger common.

You cannot learn history from original sources without learning cursive. Most diaries and journals up until the Vietnam war were all written in cursive.

It just isn't that much of a problem to teach this to our children, unless you need the time to teach them how to put condoms on bananas.

4 posted on 01/15/2014 9:33:17 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

I sense that those who insist on teaching that later care scant little for the former..

how do such children sign their own names?

“so, like lol Bob”?.....


5 posted on 01/15/2014 9:38:14 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
It is not the plant that is the problem. I knew a guy in Seattle who grew up and KNEW where the "good" mushrooms were. It was not an everyday thing for him or his friends. I know people from the deserts where peyote grow's; guess what? Marijuana is a freaking plant that flowers; that is it. Take the auspice of "illegal" away and shortly it loses flavor as an "oooohhh-aahh" its illegal, let's try it stigma. So many on this very forum have NO idea how many people they know who smoke the plant. Know why? Those people just like doing their own thing WITHOUT you judging them and they go about their business and pay their bills.

Now, abusing marijuana can happen, just as easily as abusing alcohol. I posit that alcohol is worse, akin to cocaine or heroin. Alcohol is derived from one form (a plant) and made into something else through processing. Cocaine, heroin, alcohol, anything "processed" and the human body becomes physically dependent. Marijuana is purely a 72 to 96 hour "psychological" detox unlike the afore mentioned which can kill a person trying to kick the habit (btw, if you have not seen a person DT from alk, you have not seen shit. It WILL scare you by THEIR acrions).

I am fine with marijuana being legal, it is the least bit of threat out "there". I lost my spouse to liquor and witnessed first hand their DT's and the dangers to immediate family because of which. It was not alcohol's fault; it was the person and their shortcomings.

6 posted on 01/15/2014 9:42:12 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

You will find that liberaltarians are everywhere

unfortunately


7 posted on 01/15/2014 9:46:01 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MeshugeMikey

It’s dumb to think that legalization of pot won’t hurt the most vulnerable among us.... It will.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 9:52:47 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Why doesn't Nanny ban cigarettes and booze again while they're busy protecting everyone from themselves?

Either people are FREE to choose for themselves,or they are SLAVES of the state!

Would you rather Jr score some weed from a CRIMINAL, or an honest retailer? At this moment we force our cheeruns to deal with lowlife SCUM! Prohibition is WRONG!

Look at how wonderful the LEGAL drugs are! Face eating zombies, or opiate addicted Dr junkies. Yeah that's a whole lot better than a natural non toxic flower given to us by God himself. /s

9 posted on 01/15/2014 9:58:30 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: MeshugeMikey

bttt


10 posted on 01/15/2014 9:58:58 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Would you rather Jr score some weed from a CRIMINAL, or an honest retailer?

Minors shouldn't be allowed to buy it even if its legalized.

Unless your a Satanic Libertopian

11 posted on 01/15/2014 10:01:53 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
you are wrong about the dangers of weed.....

if a person drinks excessively, everyone pretty much can tell right away...not so with weed...you can bumble about and not get noticed...you won't have a breath odor nor will you be necessarily stumbling and slurring your words....but your brain is affected.....judgment for one....

so weed is not different than mushrooms or peyote?...okay....so people will eventually treat it as no big thing?....

then what?...do they go on to bigger thrills?....are we going have to legalize cocaine and meth then?....

I predict a further destabilization of our society, I predict much more crime, as people have to buy the expensive legal stuff and they'll need moola for that, and I predict that we will see just as many deaths from drugs as we do now, but probably more.....

12 posted on 01/15/2014 10:03:15 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: cherry
if a person drinks excessively, everyone pretty much can tell right away...not so with weed...you can bumble about and not get noticed...you won't have a breath odor

CRAP. They smell horrible. Clothes too. You can smell it a lot farther away than alcohol too. Glassy eyes and not focusing on anything as they "bumble about", is going to be noticed.

13 posted on 01/15/2014 10:05:24 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MeshugeMikey; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

14 posted on 01/15/2014 10:05:31 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
That's how they are programmed. They make rash and risky choices because their brains aren't fully developed. The part of the brain that censors dumb or dangerous behavior is last to come on line (generally not before the mid-20s). Meanwhile, the brain's pleasure-seeking structures are up and running strong by puberty.

There's your problem! Lock 'em up until they're adults.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 10:06:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
oh, get off the soap box and stop the whining about how wonderful weed is....its as harmful, infact more harmful to your lungs and your brain as regular cigarette smoking....this has all been documented...

the problem with legal drugs is that there is massive crime STEALING them....because people being human animals just need MORE and MORE.....oxy's and hydros....xanax and valium...

if my state Washington would have just decriminalized weed, its one thing, but we're going to be producing it and selling it and charging a lot of money....

where are all these people going to get the money for that?....no one works anymore except the fools like me....

16 posted on 01/15/2014 10:08:02 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: cherry
...if a person drinks excessively, everyone pretty much can tell right away...not so with weed...you can bumble about and not get noticed...you won't have a breath odor nor will you be necessarily stumbling and slurring your words...

That's true ... and there is an objective reason for those differences. Think about it.

17 posted on 01/15/2014 10:08:21 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
I suspect that the impulsivity mentioned in the article combined with a lack or morals is why we are seeing all these bizarre TEEN “fun” crimes recently.

So why is it confined to one race?

18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:12:42 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: cherry

-— ?....are we going have to legalize cocaine and meth then?.... -—

Anyone, including kids, can go to the hardware store and buy some turpentine or spray paint, and get high “huffing it.” It’s a very cheap buzz. But few people do it.

OTOH, cigarette smoking, which is very addictive, is decreasing, even though it is legal, mainly because of a very effective PR campaign.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:12:56 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: GeronL

It’s going to be noticed when their brain cells are fried. I’ve seen it too many times. Alcohol addiction is bad but I haven’t seen many with fried brains after they quit. Pot heads never function the same, it’s like they are in a constant fog.


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:14:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I have always found the opposite to be true. Alkies never are the same again.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 10:23:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: kcvl

bump

A cousin of someone I know takes pills by the handful, he smokes whatever he can get his hands on, drinks, drives home with his kids in the car.

Even when he is sober, he ain’t normal.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 10:24:10 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: cherry

Wait until they all get behind the wheel. More accidents fer sure.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 10:26:46 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

“They” have always been behind the wheel.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 10:28:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Yeah, and there will be more of them.


25 posted on 01/15/2014 10:32:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe maybe not. That is just speculation.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 10:34:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Please.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 10:35:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
Study shows medical marijuana laws reduce traffic deaths - Leads to lower consumption of alcohol
28 posted on 01/15/2014 10:37:12 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes? Do you have something objective and substantive to offer?


29 posted on 01/15/2014 10:38:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: kcvl

“Alcohol addiction is bad but I haven’t seen many with fried brains after they quit.”

Plenty of irreversibly fried brains because of alcohol. Ever heard of wet brain?
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/brain/

This is on top of liver damage, stomach disease, nerve damage, and muscle atrophy to name just a few complications brought on by alcoholism.


30 posted on 01/15/2014 10:39:03 PM PST by deltanine
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To: Ken H

Swell. Might as well legalize heroin, LSD, bath crystals or salts or whatever.

Take away the ‘illegal aspect’ to reduce crime.

No doubt the Choomer-in-Chief is on board with this exercise.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 10:39:27 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, you want more people doped-up. I guess.

I just find it odd. I saw a lot of these burnouts in high-school and at concerts.

But there’s no convincing people I guess.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 10:40:36 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: deltanine; kcvl
This is on top of liver damage, stomach disease, nerve damage, and muscle atrophy to name just a few complications brought on by alcoholism.

None of which is associated with cannabis use.

33 posted on 01/15/2014 10:41:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: F15Eagle

You won’t convince me without something substantive or objective. Opinions that run counter to all of my anecdotal experience won’t cut it.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 10:42:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Hey, if what it does to people hasn’t already convinced you, then I guess that’s not enough evidence.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 10:44:03 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

I haven’t seen it do anything significant to anyone so I don’t know what about that would convince me it’s terrible. I’m not sure how you can claim to have seen long term effects in those “high school burnouts” and “concert goers” either.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 10:47:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

You live long enough you find a few old-style hippies that are still into it.

I guess trying to convince people that people living in alternate realities for recreation isn’t a good thing is wasted. Must be a reason why they don’t like airline pilots, people running trains, etc. to do it. I have to take a drug test for every job I’ve been on since the 1980’s involving I/T. Passed every one with flying colors since I’ve never participated.

Guess I don’t understand what it’s like to ‘get baked’ and listen to Pink Floyd (as one local radio station put it the other night).

Oh well.


37 posted on 01/15/2014 10:52:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
Look at what happened to violent crime in CA since it legalized medical pot in 1996. The murder rate has been pert near cut in half!

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

38 posted on 01/15/2014 10:54:39 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: F15Eagle

I am 59, one good friend of mine is 65 and another is 70. Is that long enough? I could name dozens more who are mere acquaintances. I don’t know any burnouts or unaccomplished people for that matter.


39 posted on 01/15/2014 10:55:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Ken H

lol - yeah I’m sure that was all of it.

Hey, run down to the airport and jump on an airliner with two totally-fried guys in the cockpit.

Hey, what could go wrong? I’m sure there’s a study for that, too.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 10:56:03 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: TigersEye

Like I say, got any problem flying on a 747 with the pilots all doobied-up?

Surely not I guess. All I can say is good luck.


41 posted on 01/15/2014 10:57:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

No one here is advocating that pilots be intoxicated by anything while flying. That is a dishonest straw-man argument.


42 posted on 01/15/2014 11:01:01 PM PST by deltanine
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To: TigersEye

Cannabis causes mental illness

Cannabis use is now the biggest single cause of serious mental disorders in the UK, a leading expert warned yesterday.

Up to 80 per cent of new patients at many units have a history of smoking the drug, said consultant psychiatrist Professor Robin Murray.
The stark message comes just three weeks before the Government officially downgrades cannabis to Class C, putting it on the same level as growth hormones and prescription painkillers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-205447/Cannabis-causes-mental-illness.html#ixzz2qXexlPgJ

The study, out of New Zealand, found that patients who had either an ischemic stroke or transient ischemic attack (TIA; also known as a “mini-stroke”) were over twice as likely to have cannabis in their urine compared to people who did not have a stroke. A stroke happens when blood flow is impaired to part of the brain.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/02/15/pot-linked-risk-stroke

Alan Barber, a professor of clinical neurology at the University of Auckland. “Marijuana is associated with lung disease, heart attacks, and atrial fibrillation,” in which the speed or rhythm of the heartbeat is impaired, Barber told TakePart. “[Marijuana] is also known to constrict down the arteries in the brain. Our study suggests that a lifestyle that includes marijuana is associated with an increased risk for stroke as well.”


43 posted on 01/15/2014 11:01:18 PM PST by kcvl
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To: deltanine

It’s not dishonest at all and it’s not straw-man.

Tell me why we shouldn’t let pilots doobie-up.

What’s the problem? All I’m hearing is things are just fine.

So, get on board that plane.

There would be no problem, would there?


44 posted on 01/15/2014 11:02:33 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

If they were good pilots, no I would not. I am perfectly willing to listen to reason-based replies that offer some objective evidence but you are still merely offering straw men, red herrings and other non-substantive responses. Analytical decision making requires more input than opinion and deflection in order to come to sound conclusions.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 11:02:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: F15Eagle

-— Hey, if what it does to people hasn’t already convinced you, then I guess that’s not enough evidence -—

If you want to criminalize possession of a potentially harmful substance, you have to weigh the evils associated with the substance against the evils associated with criminalization.

Impure drugs, and violence associated with drug trafficking, are evils which result from criminalization.

We know the evils associated with the abuse of pot. But in considering criminalization, we must also consider its effectiveness in diminishing drug abuse.


46 posted on 01/15/2014 11:03:34 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: TigersEye

Cool, well, let me know when you get the FAA convinced to let it happen!!


47 posted on 01/15/2014 11:04:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

I don’t want pilots totally smashed on alcohol while flying either, but alcohol remains legal. Why?


48 posted on 01/15/2014 11:04:28 PM PST by deltanine
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To: kcvl
I wonder what percentage of mental patients drank milk as children? /s

Correlation does not prove causation. It should be no surprise that people with mental and emotional problems self-medicate with all manner of intoxicants.

49 posted on 01/15/2014 11:04:48 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: deltanine

Is alcohol legal for your pilots?

Is it a good thing the FAA won’t allow it?


50 posted on 01/15/2014 11:06:07 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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