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Homophobia and intimacy in a Russian sauna (I like Russia more and more)
BBC Urals, Russia ^ | 1/17/2013 | By Justin Rowlatt

Posted on 01/18/2014 2:03:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux

A law in Russia banning "homosexual propaganda" has been condemned by critics, who say it incites hatred. But a day hunting and relaxing in the forest - and hearing some extreme views - suggests it has plenty of support.

Saunas are supposed to be relaxing but the prospect of this one filled me with dread.

I was to share it with two heavily armed Russian hunters - Yuri, a steely-eyed veteran of Russia's bloody war in Afghanistan, and Georgy, a burly businessmen who cut his teeth during the violent chaos that consumed Russia after the fall of communism.

That afternoon, with the first snows of the harsh Russian winter blowing in from Siberia, Yuri and Georgy had taken me into the forest. They'd pointed out fresh wolf and elk tracks in the snow - but there was no sign of the family of bears I'd heard lived nearby.

Yuri said our chatter had frightened off any game but he let me fire a few potshots with his formidable but fluffily-named hunting rifle, a Kalashnikov "Tigger".

As the sun set we'd dined on a great caldron of peppery soup made with pike caught in one of the nearby lakes. They'd produced a slab of what Russians call "salo", smoked pork fat which you eat raw, washed down with shots of vodka.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bathhousesex; bbcbias; communism; gayolympics; homosexualagenda; hunters; justinrowlatt; lavendermafia; pinkjournalism; publicsex; russia; russian; sex; siberia
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1 posted on 01/18/2014 2:03:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

The American obsession with sex has destroyed all innocent pleasures. People have been having saunas and whipping each other with birch twigs in icy climates for millennia, but it was not “homoeroticism” and was not even a lead up to homosexual behavior. I remember only a few decades ago in Spain that friends (two men, two women, etc.) used to walk around holding hands. Then suddenly this was interpreted as sexual. And now nobody would dare to do it.

This writer is an idiot, but a typical modern, Freudian idiot where everything is all about sex. (Although even Freud thought that homosexuality was the sign of an undeveloped personality.)


2 posted on 01/18/2014 2:15:28 PM PST by livius
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To: RoosterRedux
Think the reporter is more than just a bit biased, and eager to demonize his subjects?
“Why should the gay lifestyle be celebrated?” asked Georgy. “It is just disgusting. Gays should be killed,” he said, frowning. I said nothing. The already humid atmosphere became even closer. “They should be gassed,” he muttered, staring sulkily at the floor. He seemed to find the idea of homosexuality quite repulsive, even frightening.

I turned to Yuri, the Afghan war veteran. “We didn’t even know it existed when I was growing up in the Soviet Union,” he said. “Why would people want to do such a thing?” …

3 posted on 01/18/2014 2:18:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: livius

I’m thinking he’s a closet fudge packer.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 2:19:54 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: livius
Is there any doubt Evil has captured the world ?

No nation is immune and it only means Jesus can't be too far away.

5 posted on 01/18/2014 2:20:52 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: livius

As a 92 year old friend has said the homosexuals destroy deep same sex friendships.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 2:21:14 PM PST by amihow
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To: RoosterRedux

Where are all the Christian leaders in The USA on all these important Biblical Christian issues?

Seems to me that there is hardly any national Christian leader speaking on Biblical truths when it comes to Christian Social Issues.

Has everybody been brainwashed by Rick Warren,Joel Osteen and even the New Pope?

Show me a character from the Bible that ever played down our sins...You cant find one, Jesus never played down our sins either


7 posted on 01/18/2014 2:21:47 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: RoosterRedux

Every one in Russia knows Eldar Ryazanov’s “The Irony Of Fate.”

Its one of the best Soviet era classics, renowned for its golden age Russian pop songs and the comedic complications of the lead character - who is put on his friends on the plane after leaving the beloved banya, lands in Leningrad.

He arrives at home so to speak but doesn’t realize the apartment in Leningrad is exactly the same as his apartment back in Moscow - on the same street and it fits with the same key!

Its worth the price of admission for the world-famous opening animated montage, too good not to miss! Its a love story and its still shown every New Years’ on Russian television. It has the same meaning for Russians as “Its A Wonderful Life” does for Americans!


8 posted on 01/18/2014 2:22:31 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: livius

If I’m whipping a chick with a birch twig in a sauna, things are going to get interesting.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 2:22:51 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: RoosterRedux
...condemned by critics, who say it incites hatred...

No. Allowing homo "pride" parades while not giving permits for heterosexual pride parades ('cuz that would be mean and hateful!) incites hatred!!

10 posted on 01/18/2014 2:23:04 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: meatloaf

I got that vibe too.


11 posted on 01/18/2014 2:24:48 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. -M. Twain)
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To: livius

This reporter kills me. So he waits until they’re all sitting around naked in the sauna to bring up the gay issues? And then wonders why they obviously feel uncomfortable discussing it? He’s lucky he didn’t get his lights punched out.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 2:27:20 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Anyone who likes to be naked with other people have a screw loose


13 posted on 01/18/2014 2:28:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Olog-hai
I think the reporter is gay but didn't have the guts to tell his hosts or his readers.

Like Yuri, I didn't even know it existed when I was a kid and I was grossed out when I heard about it.

14 posted on 01/18/2014 2:28:13 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: livius
This writer is an idiot, but a typical modern, Freudian idiot where everything is all about sex. (Although even Freud thought that homosexuality was the sign of an undeveloped personality.)

I think it was Freud's cocaine usage that fueled his fascination with sex (same pleasure center bombardment with addictive substances). But I do agree completely with him that homosexuality is a developmental problem.

15 posted on 01/18/2014 2:32:08 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: RoosterRedux

I agree with you.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 2:37:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: GeronL

Well, for those of us married people, there are exceptions.

Or rather one.


17 posted on 01/18/2014 2:37:58 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

I have a feeling you know what I meant. :p


18 posted on 01/18/2014 2:38:53 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: amihow; livius
As a 92 year old friend has said the homosexuals destroy deep same sex friendships.

Didn't C.S. Lewis write that also? I think I read that somewhere.

19 posted on 01/18/2014 2:39:04 PM PST by thecodont
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To: RoosterRedux

The people of most countries are great people. It is their governments that suck. Look at ours.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 2:39:27 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: RoosterRedux

This validation of a queer lifestyle, first reared its ugly head in Western Europe. But then it has grabbed hold here. I do not think fags should fear being beaten or killed but they need to go back in their respective closets. Their lifestyle is unnatural. And as such it should not be flaunted nor allowed to be treated as normal in the media.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 2:40:17 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Interesting. The author does not understand that because of the anti-homosexual stance of the culture, men are free to be intimate in other, friendship sorts of ways that have often been parts of being male in many western cultures.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 2:45:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (V)
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To: thecodont

Even a purely secular writer such as Rebecca West said that sexualizing everything destroyed friendships.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 2:51:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Rome2000

You mean she might scream for the police and slap you? Normally saunas are single-sex.


24 posted on 01/18/2014 2:53:15 PM PST by livius
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Yes, I thought that was kind of weird. I don’t quite understand why he had to inject that issue into what sounds like a pleasant evening (in its own way).


25 posted on 01/18/2014 2:55:14 PM PST by livius
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To: thecodont

“Didn’t C.S. Lewis write that also? I think I read that somewhere.”

yes:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c.s.-lewis-and-the-homosexualists-eradication-of-friendship


26 posted on 01/18/2014 2:56:05 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: RoosterRedux

Could be. Most psychotherapists are trying to cure their own ailments, especially after the level of subjectivity that Freud introduced into the theory.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 2:56:52 PM PST by livius
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To: GeronL

Yeah, I did, but that was just too good an opportunity to pass up.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 2:57:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: livius

Totally right; even as a kid I began to realize that playing tag ‘sent wrong signals’ for some reason.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 2:57:50 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Yes it has.


30 posted on 01/18/2014 2:58:34 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Olog-hai

Germans know better than anyone. Russians will screw anything. They raped children, old women, whatever.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:37 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly. If people know that their friendship is not going to get mixed up in sex, they’re free to be friends. A sexual relationship is complicated, but friendship is not. This sexualization of everything has deprived us of friendship.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:43 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

No it would have to be her twig and her idea
I’m pretty mellow


33 posted on 01/18/2014 3:00:55 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: CorporateStepsister

It’s interesting that you said that. They’re trying to move the age ever lower for the sexualization of activities.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 3:02:14 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Yeah; I mean, tag is suddenly ‘sending wrong signals?’


35 posted on 01/18/2014 3:03:04 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

It’s very creepy.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 3:04:44 PM PST by livius
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To: Chickensoup; RoosterRedux
Interesting. The author does not understand that because of the anti-homosexual stance of the culture, men are free to be intimate in other, friendship sorts of ways that have often been parts of being male in many western cultures.

And the men who lack such intimacy are much poorer for it.

37 posted on 01/18/2014 3:06:18 PM PST by thecodont
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To: livius

” I remember only a few decades ago in Spain that friends (two men, two women, etc.) used to walk around holding hands. Then suddenly this was interpreted as sexual. And now nobody would dare to do it.”

It’s horrible; you can’t even show open affection for a sincere friend lest you be viewed as gay.

“The American obsession with sex has destroyed all innocent pleasures.”

I’m tired of it myself. I wonder how different things would be if in fact we ended up changing things so those who get worked up over the slightest stuff would be the ones locked up and forced to work out their issues instead of poisoning the thoughts of healthy minds around them.


38 posted on 01/18/2014 3:06:52 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Yes it has.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 3:08:07 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: livius

Totally; I don’t think this country is disliked because of our freedom, but our borderline psychotic sexualization of EVERYTHING!


40 posted on 01/18/2014 3:10:10 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: thecodont

And the men who lack such intimacy are much poorer for it.

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I absolutely agree. Many men only rely on women for friendship. Women make men poor friends out side of the bonds of marriage. And they are not enough inside the bonds of marriage IMHO.

I notice that my son’s male friends are always teasing each other about the other’s purported homosexuality.


41 posted on 01/18/2014 3:13:08 PM PST by Chickensoup (V)
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To: meatloaf

For sure!


42 posted on 01/18/2014 3:14:23 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: GeronL
Anyone who likes to be naked with other people have a screw loose

That is probably not the best way to frame the issue.

I used to belong to a health club in Atlanta that had a great steam bath. The men that used it at the time of day I worked out were for the most part old cigar chomping businessmen.

They were probably retired and from a much older generation. They would sit in the steam bath and talk business (mostly stock market) and then run out for an ice cold shower and then back in for more steam. This was their idea of exercise (except for golf on the weekends).

They were as innocent as a bunch of 3 year olds. It was a joy being around a bunch of old goats my grandfather's age sitting in a steam bath with only a towel and talking about manly things (the stock market and cigars).

43 posted on 01/18/2014 3:18:28 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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sounds gross to me

lol


44 posted on 01/18/2014 3:28:56 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: amihow

Is it that easy to destroy a “deep” friendship? Not very deep, it seems to me.


45 posted on 01/18/2014 3:35:33 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: RoosterRedux
The whole article is about gay sex, not Russia, not hunting, not saunas. They are just pretexts. This speaks to the depravity of its readership/audience: the English public.

Georgy had shown me photos of his three-year-old son dressed up, just like dad, head to toe in combat gear and pointing a toy gun. With growing trepidation, I ask the obvious question - what if your son was gay?

Obvious question? In the author's perverted psychosphere, perhaps. If I was that father, I would have hit him instantly and instinctively.

46 posted on 01/18/2014 3:37:01 PM PST by Kennard
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Anyone . . . have? Talk about a loose screw.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 3:37:05 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Rome2000
If I’m whipping a chick with a birch twig in a sauna, things are going to get interesting.

Depends on the chick.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 3:39:10 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: livius

If being gay is thought to be a matter of choice, why are most straight men resistant to sleeping together in the same bed?


49 posted on 01/18/2014 3:44:39 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: GeronL
I think society thinks it is gross because of the impure thoughts that have been infused into our reality by gays.

Were it not for the perversion injected into our society, we would all just be hippopotami swimming in the river with our cousins and aunts and uncles...all butt nekid.;-)

50 posted on 01/18/2014 3:49:05 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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