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While the reasons are different, it turns out they may intersect.

It's been quietly discussed among electric utilities that increasing amounts of distributed solar power and other renewable energy may destroy their business model.

The worry is that if consumers can generate much or all of their own electricity, the utilities lose the revenue from selling them power--while continuing to shoulder the substantial costs of maintaining the electric distribution network as a backup.

Meanwhile, while plug-in electric cars on U.S. roads number less than 200,000 today--out of about 250 million vehicles--the miles they travel on grid energy stored in their batteries eliminate the demand for gasoline.

And many electric-car owners turn out to have solar panels on their homes.

Buying an electric car may even increase interest in clean energy, as owners start to think about "free travel" using electricity from solar panels (aside from the substantial costs of the panels themselves, of course).

Now Tony Seba, an entrepreneur and Stanford University lecturer in continuing studies, is working on a new book in which he predicts that the cost of distributed solar energy will fall so low by around 2030 that it will make electricity from fossil fuels essentially redundant.

Equally radically, he says, plug-in electric cars will do the same to the oil industry--on roughly the same schedule.

Seba argues that the cost of both photovoltaic solar panels and large-scale batteries for energy storage in electric cars will continue to fall, to the point where using them for both energy generation and transportation is significantly cheaper than extracting and transportation carbon-based fuels to be burned.

MORE: How Much And How Fast Will Electric-Car Battery Costs Fall?

Demand for oil as a feedstock for chemical industries is likely to continue, of course, so eliminating the extraction, refining, and transportation of oil and natural gas altogether is unlikely to happen on anything like that schedule.

Still, it's an appealing vision, and the prospect of carbon-free energy and transportation for even some fraction of global demand is likely to be welcomed by anyone who accepts the scientific consensus around climate change caused by man-made carbon emissions.

The working title of Seba's upcoming book is "Disrupting Energy: How Silicon Valley is making coal, nuclear, oil and gas obsolete." It's not yet available for pre-order, but you have to admit it sounds intriguing.

What do you think? Will we see the decline of hydrocarbon-based transportation and the legacy electric-utility industry within your lifetime?

1 posted on 01/23/2014 8:24:46 PM PST by ckilmer
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Only if you like a driving range of 10 miles without the heater on in winter...


2 posted on 01/23/2014 8:25:45 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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No.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 8:27:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (“Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it and at whom it is aimed.”— Joseph Sta)
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Ford says no.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 8:30:00 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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Nope


5 posted on 01/23/2014 8:32:29 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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Electric Cars & Solar: Will They Make Gasoline & Utilities Obsolete?

Possibly.. give it another 100 to 150 years.

7 posted on 01/23/2014 8:34:43 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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I’m sure they were asking that question in the 1900s, when electric cars were outselling internal- and external-combustion cars.


9 posted on 01/23/2014 8:35:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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Not with today’s technology. Battery capacity, recharge time, and capacity to keep recharges over its lifetime are issues.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 8:35:51 PM PST by lurk
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Oh hell Seba has been trying this push for all too long. The simple answer to the question is NO


11 posted on 01/23/2014 8:36:52 PM PST by Nifster
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As long as 95% of people are not allowed to own a vehicle maybe


12 posted on 01/23/2014 8:37:06 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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“Seba argues that the cost of both photovoltaic solar panels and large-scale batteries for energy storage in electric cars will continue to fall, to the point where using them for both energy generation and transportation is significantly cheaper than extracting and transportation carbon-based fuels to be burned.”

If it does, cool. But I bet the “cost” he is using includes subsidies.


14 posted on 01/23/2014 8:40:07 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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It might happen. But not in my lifetime and probably not in my kids lifetime.


16 posted on 01/23/2014 8:46:20 PM PST by nvscanman
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I read a report the other night on the global supply of lithium to make LiIon batteries. If Tesla makes 100,000 cars per year, they pretty much exhaust the world’s production capacity of lithium. The richest lithium resources are in an ecologically sensitive area in south America which will be completely destroyed if production ramps up.

The dirty little secret of EVs.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 8:48:12 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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Chemical fuels that burn oxygen beat any kind of battery all hollow right now. I wish engineers well in developing better batteries, but they are probably going to be finicky.

There is some potential market for hybrids, combo-cars that use electrical components together with generator-driving engines which are carefully tuned to do well driving the generator rather than being the prime mover of a mechanical transmission. That could squeeze a few more MPG out of gasoline and diesel fuels. Robustness is the key to widespread acceptability. Costing a king’s ransom to fix is not a way to sell cars in the long run.


18 posted on 01/23/2014 8:52:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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When the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine, wind and solar power can’t make hay ...

Never happen !!!


19 posted on 01/23/2014 8:52:59 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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This January is colder than I have seen in 10 years. High's of 6 degree's and lows of -OMG my balls just froze in a second. The technology is NOT there yet and I would not depend on one of these vehicles to get me safely from point A to point A.5 in this weather let alone point B where I was going.

Next up, February, when I am "used" to some frigid weather (this year I fear it like no other).

21 posted on 01/23/2014 8:54:47 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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i don’t accept climate change caused by man and won’t have antything that doesn’t run on gasoline and have over 300 HP.


22 posted on 01/23/2014 8:55:11 PM PST by dalereed
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many Chevy Volt owners report going
1000.plus miles on a 10 gallon tank.


30 posted on 01/23/2014 9:08:29 PM PST by RockyTx
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I can guarantee...unconditionally...that gasoline powered cars will become obsolete. But we will have to wait until oil in ground is exhausted. Minimum 200 years away.

The biggest problem with solar power is that consumers are far away from best source, the deserts. Transmission losses and infrastructure costs are the main culprits. Fossil fuel power plants are located close to population clusters.

31 posted on 01/23/2014 9:11:06 PM PST by entropy12 (Great republics wither when more people figure out they can get free stuff by electing socialists.)
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No.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 9:14:06 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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34 posted on 01/23/2014 9:20:44 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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