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Pentagon to launch blimps to guard against cruise missiles
CBSNews.com ^ | January 24, 2014 | David Martin

Posted on 01/24/2014 9:22:47 AM PST by Biggirl

THE PENTAGON -- The Pentagon has discovered a gap in the defenses of Washington, D.C., and it's about to test a solution.

But depending on your point of view, the solution is either vital for national security or a threat to American privacy.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: blimps; cruisemissiles; cruisemissles; nationalsecurity; pentagon; pentagonblimps
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1 posted on 01/24/2014 9:22:47 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Soubnds like fun things for planes and helicopters to run into...


2 posted on 01/24/2014 9:24:38 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Biggirl

Gee....really innovative! Wonder where they got that idea from? /s


3 posted on 01/24/2014 9:25:03 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Biggirl

So Obama found a use for Chris Christie?


4 posted on 01/24/2014 9:25:10 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Biggirl

So the Iranians really do plan to get their licks in after all — no matter how hard they get pasted back in return.


5 posted on 01/24/2014 9:26:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
So the Iranians really do plan to get their licks in after all — no matter how hard they get pasted back in return.

The ONLY guaranteed ticket for admission to that whore-house-in-the-sky they call paradise is to die in jihad.

What's their downside?

6 posted on 01/24/2014 9:29:15 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Biggirl
a threat to American privacy.

No doubt in my mind.

7 posted on 01/24/2014 9:29:25 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Biggirl

London, 1940 Washington, 2014. Thanks, 0.00. I guess that al-Queda has been defeated!

8 posted on 01/24/2014 9:32:20 AM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Biggirl
.........., and that was just the time it took to come up with the first 10 ways to tactically defeat them.
9 posted on 01/24/2014 9:33:29 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Don Corleone

Yeah, they’re for... cruise missiles. Yeah, that’s it. Those Aegis naval ships just don’t cut it any more. And these blimps are integrated with all kinds of ‘stuff’ so they can do more than just watch the cruise missiles. Yeah, that’s it!


10 posted on 01/24/2014 9:34:40 AM PST by Justa
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To: null and void

How many trillions in defense have we spent over the last 50 years.

And the ‘best’ we can do against cruise missiles is a fscking blimp?

Ok, class, raise your hands: Who believes this story?

And it’s ‘interesting’ to me that they’re protecting the elites first. Those nuke plants in SC or petrochemical plants in/around Houston? Yeah well, what’s a few toasted peasants...


11 posted on 01/24/2014 9:37:00 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Biggirl

Who knew blimps could prevent a city from getting obliterated by a nuclear weapon?


12 posted on 01/24/2014 9:38:25 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Biggirl

13 posted on 01/24/2014 9:38:28 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Black Agnes

>> Who believes this story?

I do! My government would NEVER lie to me, or spy on me... right?


14 posted on 01/24/2014 9:39:42 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Gaffer

Trains, windmills, and now blimps. Libs really love cutting edge technology.


15 posted on 01/24/2014 9:40:03 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Biggirl

The article oddly leaves out the fact that the pair of aerostats is the JLENS radar system (leaving that out means you can’t look it up). About a year ago it moved from a test site in Nevada. Testing will continue on the coast.

Cameras? Yeah a camera at 10,000 feet that will watch people 100 miles away. Oh the gross invasion of privacy.

As for flying into them, APRF is already a restricted zone, it has a couple of artillery ranges that would not be friendly to a Cessna.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 9:40:46 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Gaffer
Very creative of them. Wonder if it will look like this?
17 posted on 01/24/2014 9:43:29 AM PST by Patriot95
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To: Black Agnes

I’m a little unclear on exactly how a tethered blimp is supposed to intercept a maneuvering 500 mph cruise missile.


18 posted on 01/24/2014 9:43:39 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Biggirl

Hopefully they figure something better than blimps for a long-term solution to this problem.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 9:44:45 AM PST by Patriot95
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To: null and void

I’m just wondering how many petapixel cameras are on that. And the downlink bandwidth being fed into the facial recognition database.


20 posted on 01/24/2014 9:45:27 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Biggirl; Bender2; sauropod
This blimp has been flying around here for years

21 posted on 01/24/2014 9:46:26 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: null and void

“I’m a little unclear on exactly how a tethered blimp is supposed to intercept a maneuvering 500 mph cruise missile.”

It’s equipped with 20GBs of sternly worded letters delivered via WiFi.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 9:46:58 AM PST by Justa
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To: Biggirl

No massive internal security apparatus in the history of the world has ever been used specifically against foreign threats. Their main target is always domestic political suppression.


23 posted on 01/24/2014 9:50:33 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Biggirl

We have NORAD for this purpose. This isn’t going to be anything but slow moving, high resolution, probably audio capable drones to be used against our privacy probably in areas where there isn’t enough security cameras to monitor everything else.


24 posted on 01/24/2014 9:51:14 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Biggirl
It will be used more like this. They will probably even have facial recognition on it.

ARGUS

25 posted on 01/24/2014 9:51:44 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Black Agnes

One can cram a lot of data down an optical fiber or twenty snaked down the tether...


26 posted on 01/24/2014 9:51:59 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Biggirl

from snippets and bits over the past months, “someone’ sure is doing a lot of monitoring for radiation (?) and etc (?) along the Maryland coast esp in vicinity of Baltimore


27 posted on 01/24/2014 9:52:12 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Don Corleone

When the Air Force flies daily their recce platforms on training missions to practice, or to test new recce capabilities, is that a threat to privacy? What about our satellites, both commercial and military? Traffic cameras? Store cameras? The next-door neighbor and his remote-control aircraft out-fitted with a camera. . .etc. . .?

ANY technology, any capability COULD be used against any people, so in a way, yes it COULD be a threat to privacy.

Cruise missiles are a very real threat. We have them and used them (Tomahawk missiles are cruise missiles). Other countries have their own versions of cruise missiles and WILL use them if they can, and use them against us. Shouldn’t we take steps to protect ourselves from this threat?

How do we develop better methods to protect against this threat? While we have the capability now to shoot down the cruise missiles, we have very limited detection capability.

If we object to the development and testing of technology that can detect cruise missiles, how do you propose we develop this capability?


28 posted on 01/24/2014 9:52:59 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Justa

And line-of sight limitations of surface ships versus elevated platforms?

Why do we have AWACS if ground-based radars can do the same thing?

Line of sight. . .how far you can see.


29 posted on 01/24/2014 9:54:50 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Biggirl

Pentagon to Launch Blimps to Guard Against Low Flying Fuddy Airplanes.


30 posted on 01/24/2014 9:55:55 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: null and void
I’m a little unclear on exactly how a tethered blimp is supposed to intercept a maneuvering 500 mph cruise missile.

It is not intended to intercept anything - its a platform for aerial radar observation - its cheaper and safer to use a thered aerostat for that than to have an AWACS flying full-time in a racetrack orbit around the capital.

Lots of misunderstanding in this thread - its not an invasion of privacy, its not a plan to put 100s of blimps over Washington, its not a step backwards to 1930 technology. Frankly we should be using these to observe border airspace and airspace around important sites all over the country.

31 posted on 01/24/2014 9:56:52 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: null and void

Detection only. We have the ability to shoot cruise missiles (article is wrong on that part).


32 posted on 01/24/2014 9:59:08 AM PST by Hulka
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To: AzSteven
Lots of misunderstanding in this thread -

Most if not all of the concerns would disappear, if Satan's communist son wasn't in the whitehouse.
33 posted on 01/24/2014 10:01:47 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: diverteach

NORAD is an organization that uses technology. NORAD is to detect ICBM’s, primarily, and to intercept aircraft.

NORAD sensors are not designed to detect very-low flying cruise missiles. This blimp technology would be tied into NORAD and provide that capability to NORAD.


34 posted on 01/24/2014 10:02:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: null and void

“I’m a little unclear on exactly how a tethered blimp is supposed to intercept a maneuvering 500 mph cruise missile.”

It is above ground clutter, so it can do what a surface mounted radar can’t. It also has a pretty far horizon- at ground level it’s about 15 miles, but from 10kft it’s several hundred miles.

So when North Korea launches a missile from 90 miles offshore, the radar sees it, does all the tracking solutions, and hands the data off to something that CAN take action, maybe a cruiser with PHALANX abord or some missile system. The radar can work in a closed loop with a guided missile, as active fire control.

It’s just a radar mounted up high, cheaper than flying AWACS 24/7.


35 posted on 01/24/2014 10:03:24 AM PST by DBrow
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To: silverleaf

Aberdeen is a testing ground for such programs.


36 posted on 01/24/2014 10:03:29 AM PST by Hulka
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To: bunkerhill7

ARMED Fuddy Airplanes, to be clear.


37 posted on 01/24/2014 10:04:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: BenLurkin
So the Iranians really do plan to get their licks in after all — no matter how hard they get pasted back in return.

If they take out D.C. with cruise missiles they'd actually be doing us the greatest favor in history.


38 posted on 01/24/2014 10:06:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Biggirl

I live a couple miles from this base. Close enough to hear and feel test explosions. I wonder how bad all the Baltimore libs are going to complain about their view with a blimp in the way.


39 posted on 01/24/2014 10:08:58 AM PST by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: Hulka

doesn’t explain this
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/helicopter-over-baltimore-to-monitor-radiation/

and this is not the first buried news report of similar monitoring


40 posted on 01/24/2014 10:09:48 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Hulka

or this

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/11/20/navy-blimp-returns-to-baltimore/


41 posted on 01/24/2014 10:11:44 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

“Aberdeen is a testing ground for such programs.”

Repeat.


42 posted on 01/24/2014 10:12:00 AM PST by Hulka
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“from snippets and bits over the past months, “someone’ sure is doing a lot of monitoring for radiation (?)”

No secret there. DNDO is flying a suite of NaI spectrometers over large areas, logging “normal” background gamma spectra.

With a good baseline, then, if some creep steals a big radioactive source, it will stand out against a known background. Useful too for nuke accidents.

I learned of this because I was helping some people build a backpack spectrometer, with big NaI scuntillators in a backpack, so that a source coold be detected, identified, and located quickly while looking lie some guy walking along in jeans, tshirt, sneakers, backpack. A very sensitive rig that readily detected radiation patients from a local hospital, which is why a spectrometer is needed (a patioent waling along emitting technetium gammas is a patient, not a terrorist emitting cobalt 60 gammas). Part of that project was several truck-mounted spectrometers and a few copter mounted ones.

Someone is serious about dirty bombs or illegal radiation sites.


43 posted on 01/24/2014 10:12:34 AM PST by DBrow
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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Navy-Blimp-Hovering-Over-Northern-Virginia-to-Map-Region-224864142.html


44 posted on 01/24/2014 10:13:54 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Hulka

radiation surveillance conference - surprise! Baltimore
2012

http://www.gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/homeland-defense-novel-radiation-surveillance-technology-could-help-thwart-nuclear-terrorism/

maybe someone has been watching “The Sum of All Fears”


45 posted on 01/24/2014 10:21:34 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: DBrow

sounds like the technology discussed at this conference

http://www.gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/homeland-defense-novel-radiation-surveillance-technology-could-help-thwart-nuclear-terrorism/

I’m sure all the surveillance focused on Baltimore is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with the port, or the many medical and defense research facilities in the area. not to mention the nuc power plants to the north and south


46 posted on 01/24/2014 10:26:18 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: AzSteven
It is not intended to intercept anything - its a platform for aerial radar observation - its cheaper and safer to use a thered aerostat for that than to have an AWACS flying full-time in a racetrack orbit around the capital. Lots of misunderstanding in this thread - its not an invasion of privacy

Why would they need blimps to spy on us when our computers, our phones, and records are already being hacked, monitored and spied on by government?

47 posted on 01/24/2014 10:32:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: silverleaf

“I’m sure all the surveillance focused on Baltimore is just a coincidence”

Yeah, and just coincidentally near DC. They had a truck in Boston and New York a while back, plus some other cities.

It is a good thing that they are starting NOW to deal with dirty bombs and smuggled radioactives. Imagine if the Tzarnev brothers had stolen a hospital radiation source and added that to the firecrackers in their pressure cookers?


48 posted on 01/24/2014 10:35:47 AM PST by DBrow
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To: dragnet2

“Why would they need blimps to spy on us”

Look up JLENS. It’s a radar, mounted on a balloon.


49 posted on 01/24/2014 10:36:54 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

imagine a human dirty bomb with a suicide vest


50 posted on 01/24/2014 10:38:00 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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