Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Another “No Knock” Police Raid In Iowa Raises SERIOUS Issues
Conservative Treehouse ^ | February 7, 2014 | sundance

Posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:49 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

The Summary Version is: IOWA Police execute a search warrant based on suspected credit card fraud – However, they smashed down the door in a “no-knock” raid replete with full battle armor. Then the police tried to destroy the CCTV system which was recording their behavior.

When questioned about the ridiculously excessive “use of force” things get worse because the police justify the execution of the warrant, the extreme measures invoked, based around the principle the occupant was a legally registered gun owner and therefore represented a more significant risk to them. <—- Think about that.

Personally I have come to the difficult determination that the police are now a danger to us. We have as much likelihood to be victimized by paid law enforcement as we do criminals. It has taken me several years to accept this ‘new-normal’ reality with police militarization; however, there is simply too much empirical evidence to dismiss the obvious. This story is only atypical in that the owner had CCTV systems to document the reality.

(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: ankeny; banglist; donutwatch
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last
This is an excerpt. There is video at the link.
1 posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:49 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer
Then the police tried to destroy the CCTV system which was recording their behavior.

Thereby justifying the label "pigs", independently of any other facts.

2 posted on 02/06/2014 11:28:44 PM PST by cynwoody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

As I said in the original thread:
There’s more to this story than reported.

The cops arrested two of the residents. It was a day care center. Two of the residents had outstanding warrants and had been convicted of several crimes. The cops knew that guns were in the house. There was good reason to think this was a drug house. The residents were not rich, but they had internal security cameras (for the day care - for the drug dealing?).


3 posted on 02/06/2014 11:29:31 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

At least they didn’t Waco them. /police-state sarcasm


4 posted on 02/06/2014 11:41:25 PM PST by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten
Two of the residents had outstanding warrants and had been convicted of several crimes.

Monday, we reported one of the four people listed, Richard Forestier Adair, had no real criminal record. But the name on the warrant is apparently wrong. Adair’s middle name is Foster and he does have a long criminal record but very few violent arrests. Adair has two assault convictions about 14-years ago and a domestic assault conviction in 2002.

Should have sent in the National Guard! /s

5 posted on 02/06/2014 11:58:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

Thank goodness the police all went home safe to their families - because that’s what really matters.


6 posted on 02/07/2014 12:15:45 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten

If there is, it seems to be ignored by just about everyone. Have some supporting links?

Best I can tell:
- The name on the warrant did not match anyone living there.
- The arrests made were incidental to the execution of the warrant service
- The was no reasonable time between knocking on the door and then knocking it in.
- I have seen nothing to indicate it was a drug house.
- The police gratuitously vandalized the house (door and cameras)

My house has exterior sensors and cameras in addition to some advanced automation and security. Children spend time there and I might be known to the state as a gun owner. That does not give the cops the authority to do what was been seen on released video.


7 posted on 02/07/2014 12:16:28 AM PST by Starwolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer
Personally I have come to the difficult determination that the police are now a danger to us. We have as much likelihood to be victimized by paid law enforcement as we do criminals.

I used to wear a badge myself, and sadly, I have come to the same conclusion. Decades ago, I remember people calling them pigs. Am I correct in assuming it is worse now, or were these people on to something, long before we were?

8 posted on 02/07/2014 12:23:52 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Veggie Todd
Thank goodness the police all went home safe to their families - because that’s what really matters.

To protect and serve ... themselves!

9 posted on 02/07/2014 12:26:01 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten

give me a break you are spinning like a top


10 posted on 02/07/2014 12:28:43 AM PST by rolling_stone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

I am truly sorry Mark, but it seems like those you once may have considered brothers are now just as likely to kick in YOUR door and shoot your dog as they are likely to do the same to our fellow citizens.

Thank you for your service as an honourable constable or whatever rank you achieved, BUT:

Welcome to the steroid police state.


11 posted on 02/07/2014 12:37:56 AM PST by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Don W

Time to restore the republic.


12 posted on 02/07/2014 12:50:04 AM PST by Republican1795.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: y'all
This is the SWAT raid for someone the police suspected of using stolen credit cards to buy clothes and electronics. The cops ripped out and covered some of the homeowners surveillance cameras.

Some video of the raid itself, and look just under the video for three links to updated inforamtion. . .

>
Click for NBC13 WHO TV in DesMoines

13 posted on 02/07/2014 1:01:06 AM PST by deks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

The Ankeny SWAT team did the raid in Des Moines. So they were raided by SWAT from another city.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 1:15:18 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Don W
Thank you for your service as an honourable constable or whatever rank you achieved

Thank you for the kind words. I was just a lowly eeeeeevvvvvviiiiiiilllllll prison correctional officer, the ones people love to hate, but let me ask again. Do you think the people of 40 years ago were onto something then, when they called cops pigs?

15 posted on 02/07/2014 1:30:56 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

Why not just have a couple of regular cops sit there in the morning until the guy leaves the house... then take his own keys and serve the search warrant?

Seriously. This is a fraud case. Not murder, kidnapping or even assault.

Just the COST and RISK isn’t justifiable before you even touch the ETHICS or MORALITY.


16 posted on 02/07/2014 1:36:06 AM PST by Advil000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten

I read in yesterdays posting of this raid that one of the Family is a computer geek hence all the security cameras on site.

Hell, if I could afford the hardware I’d have the same.


17 posted on 02/07/2014 1:53:16 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten

>> they had internal security cameras

Are internal security cameras on one’s own property a violation of ANY law?


18 posted on 02/07/2014 2:29:41 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer
Which is the police officer?


19 posted on 02/07/2014 3:01:26 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

“Do you think the people of 40 years ago were onto something then, when they called cops pigs? “

Forty years ago our nation began a long decline. The “pig” callers were in the vanguard of socialists. They hated the then government and the police which enforced the then will of the people concerning drugs, vagrancy, wanton destruction of property, etc. Now, that vanguard is the government. They have taken over the offices controlling the police, they’ve legalized pot, they choose what laws to enforce and who they will enforce them against. The police are their new state nanny’s to enforce their will against those they truly hate, the former “establishment,” ministers, mom’s, hard working dads, etc. The socialists have militarized the police and use them as their terrorist vehicle to intimidate and control. These men aren’t pigs, they’re just socialists raised by socialists, trained by socialists and their job is intimidation. Like violent abusive parents they don’t even know that’s what they are. Pigs, no. Socialists, yes.


20 posted on 02/07/2014 3:27:35 AM PST by Gen.Blather
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Advil000

It’s more fun to play army


21 posted on 02/07/2014 3:29:35 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

I wonder if home owners insurance covers damage from a raid


22 posted on 02/07/2014 3:31:32 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

“Do you think the people of 40 years ago were onto something then, when they called cops pigs?”

Answer: No. Those who called cops `pigs’ hated the police for trying to maintain public order during the antiwar riots, hippie manifestations & public use of illegal drugs. The police in 1969 were simply part of the existing social order that the crazies were trying to destroy & the majority of citizens sided with the police.

FWIW, I was 21 in 1969 and I hated what the `youth revolt’ was doing to our country. Footage of `the days of rage’ where violent demonstrators were getting what for from the cops is heartwarming to watch to this very day. The left wing rioters were my enemy then & they remain so today.

The hippies were wrong and there’s no connection from that time to the present. Evaluation of police conduct in the current age needs to be for its own sake and free of any historical comparisons.


23 posted on 02/07/2014 3:39:18 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

DHS has steadily been giving out this equipment for years and expects it’s ‘donations’ to justified by seeing the local departments using it in the field.
This means police departments that have it are going to use it.
Then DHS can say, ‘See? The fact that it’s being used is proof that it was needed.’
There are certain people that are pleased to see this becoming the norm.


24 posted on 02/07/2014 3:45:00 AM PST by servo1969
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: servo1969

You can’t give a monkey a hammer and expect it to not start using it for everything under the sun.


25 posted on 02/07/2014 3:50:27 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten
"The residents were not rich, but they had internal security cameras..."

Having security cameras while not rich. Outrageous! What would the local boss constituents think?


26 posted on 02/07/2014 3:52:55 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: R. Scott
I wonder if home owners insurance covers damage from a raid

Usually, homeowner policies have exclusions for damage due to acts of war. I don't know if this qualifies as such.

On a psychological level, these sorts of SWAT raids are doing double damage. They make people feel apprehensive and unsafe in their own homes.They also promote the idea that the State, and not the people, have the power. These are traits of a police state.

27 posted on 02/07/2014 4:02:01 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Mark17; All

“Do you think the people of 40 years ago were onto something then, when they called cops pigs?”

I think there were abuses back then as well. If you were a member of a group that the police did not believe deserved respect, then some police would take advantage of that and treat them badly without fear of reprisal. I saw some things when I was an officer that were borderline abusive. There was often an attitude of Us vs Them. I think that attitude has gotten worse.

Part of what we are seeing now is that the ubiquity of cameras and recording devices mean that the police cannot get away with what they used to.

In addition, the war on drugs and the forfeiture laws have given the police more tools and incentive to go after more people.

My take is that things are in the process of getting better; that the cameras and the ruling that recording police in their public duties is a first amendment right, are forcing the police to act better.

It just seems that things are getting worse because we are seeing more than we used to.

An exception is the use of these “no knock raids”. They need to be dialed back to nearly nothing. I think that will happen, but it will take public pressure.


28 posted on 02/07/2014 4:36:40 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye

“Adair’s middle name is Foster and he does have a long criminal record but very few violent arrests. Adair has two assault convictions about 14-years ago and a domestic assault conviction in 2002.”

So, is he or is he not a ‘prohibited person’ under the law?

Can such a person own or have access to weapons, or run a day care facility under Iowa law?

Credit Card Fraud (identity theft?) is a real crime, and bad guys are no more eager to go to jail for that than they are for bank robbery or murder. You never can tell what someone will do under those circumstances.

I will concede the points about covering the cameras.

At least this time they had the right address.


29 posted on 02/07/2014 4:51:45 AM PST by PLMerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Gen.Blather

Well said, Gen Blather. Precisely my assessment of current American society. Except I call the crowd in charge “Failed Hippies.”

TC


30 posted on 02/07/2014 5:02:14 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

We already live in a police state. Denying the obvious won’t help.


31 posted on 02/07/2014 5:02:46 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

To the cops:
Every house is a crack house
Every dog is a vicious pit bull
Every person with a warrant is on the 10 most wanted list
Every gun is an assault weapon
Every potential injury is life threatening
Every interaction with a citizen is potentially life threatening


32 posted on 02/07/2014 5:35:18 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

Elect a pro-2nd amendment, constitutional sheriff in your county, and this won’t happen. My sheriff investigated two thug police chiefs who were harassing vets and ran them out of town. You, too, can enjoy the protection of an armed sheriff and deputies by getting off your fat butts and running a constitutional sheriff in your county.


33 posted on 02/07/2014 6:24:10 AM PST by sergeantdave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

Cops are not your friends.


34 posted on 02/07/2014 9:30:26 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: R. Scott
I wonder if home owners insurance covers damage from a raid.

Maybe Allstate should make one of those "mayhem" commercials about this.

35 posted on 02/07/2014 9:45:37 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

No Knock - No Quarter......


36 posted on 02/07/2014 12:20:48 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ?............................ Enforce the Bill of Rights............ It's the LAW !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite
So, is he or is he not a ‘prohibited person’ under the law? Can such a person own or have access to weapons, or run a day care facility under Iowa law?

What difference does that make? He wasn't arrested for possession of a firearm and they didn't have a warrant on him for it. I have read several articles on this story and haven't seen that Adair was running a day care center, please provide a link.

37 posted on 02/07/2014 12:45:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: VanShuyten
The residents were not rich, but they had internal security cameras (for the day care - for the drug dealing?).

Were the cameras internal or external? In this litigious world we live in, if I was running a day care, I'd have security cameras. All you need is one parent saying you did something to their child. People have gone to jail just for the allegations.

38 posted on 02/07/2014 12:51:40 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. *Asterisk.*)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
From post 3:

"The cops arrested two of the residents. It was a day care center. Two of the residents had outstanding warrants and had been convicted of several crimes. The cops knew that guns were in the house."

39 posted on 02/07/2014 1:22:50 PM PST by PLMerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite

Did either of the two arrested actually run the day care center? Did either of the two arrested have a firearm?


40 posted on 02/07/2014 1:31:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye

“Did either of the two arrested actually run the day care center? Did either of the two arrested have a firearm?”

Don’t know. It’s not a question of running the day care center, it’s living where a day care center is being run. Likewise if they’re prohibited from owning/accessing firearms, they’re not allowed to live someplace where they can access any. At least usually. I assume Iowa does it that way.


41 posted on 02/07/2014 2:04:48 PM PST by PLMerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite
So far all you have are loose assumptions which were enough to challenge my post. That and pointing back to another post full of misinformation and the ridiculous assertion that SWAT teams are appropriate for any arrest.

Why are you wasting my time?

42 posted on 02/07/2014 2:08:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Veggie Todd

Really


43 posted on 02/07/2014 2:48:48 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye

“Why are you wasting my time?”

Good question. Ciao!


44 posted on 02/07/2014 3:21:07 PM PST by PLMerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Mark17
Am I correct in assuming it is worse now, or were these people on to something, long before we were?

It's a lot worse now. The punks calling cops "pigs" back then were angry that cops prevented them from committing the mayhem they wanted to do. Cops today (I refuse to call them "pigs") are unionized thugs who's entire life revolves around the concept of "getting home safe after work." This means they'll go out of their way to shake down relatively peaceful people, while making every effort to not see violent thugs beating and killing people, so as to avoid danger to themselves.

They have become "risk-averse." When in doubt, shoot the dog.

Add to that the abuse of steroids and excessive hardware like MRAPs, and you have a very dangerous gang, all with the approval of the State.

45 posted on 02/07/2014 3:32:00 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: PLMerite
“Adair’s middle name is Foster and he does have a long criminal record but very few violent arrests. Adair has two assault convictions about 14-years ago and a domestic assault conviction in 2002.”

So, is he or is he not a ‘prohibited person’ under the law?

Well, 2002 was after the Lautenberg Amendment became the law of the land, so to speak, so yes, he was prohibited from touching a gun. "Domestic Assault," no matter how you define it, is covered in the law. A continuing travesty.

In the context of this story, he should not be prosecuted because the warrant being served had nothing to do with this guy touching a firearm.

46 posted on 02/07/2014 3:38:10 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty

The reason for the raid was the suspects were ID’d for using one stolen credit card.

Yeah, credit card, like when the cops aren’t interested when YOUR credit card is stolen, but as it turns out, this credit card was stolen from a POLICE TRAINER, so it was a fun time to use all that DHS military equipment for the first time. Not likely to get much other practice in the upscale neighborhoods that are Ankeny, Iowa.


47 posted on 02/07/2014 3:44:37 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: jjotto

Seems like an unusual crime to precipitate a no-knock raid.


48 posted on 02/07/2014 3:47:21 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Cyber Liberty

Ankeny, Iowa, is a place “where the cops don’t need you and, man, they expect the same”.

Credit card thieves were dumb enough to use the card locally and in person to where it was stolen, giving bored aspiring storm troopers a chance to practice, and to avenge one of their own.

If the credit card was yours or mine, they’d have told you to fill out a report and gone back to donut munching and steroids.


49 posted on 02/07/2014 3:57:34 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Don W

While FReepers compete to say the most inflammatory things about “muzzies” and illegal immigrants they can get away with, it’s time to ask:

1. Who is molesting us at the airport?

2. Who is busting down our doors and shooting our pets?

3. Who is spying on everything we say & do?

(hint ... it’s not Eye-Ran)

I remember when America wasn’t evil. But, maybe I was naïve.


50 posted on 02/07/2014 5:32:26 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson