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Air force chief: Malaysia jet may have turned back
The Telegraph ^ | March 9m 2014 | By CHRIS BRUMMITT and EILEEN NG

Posted on 03/09/2014 6:08:50 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Military radar indicates that the missing Boeing 777 jet may have turned back before vanishing, Malaysia's air force chief said Sunday as authorities were investigating up to four passengers with suspicious identifications.

The revelations add to the uncertainties surrounding the final minutes of flight MH370, which was carrying 239 people when it lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam after leaving Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning for Beijing.

Air force chief Rodzali Daud didn't say which direction the plane veered when it apparently went off course, or how long it flew in that direction.

"We are trying to make sense of this," he told a media conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back and in some parts, this was corroborated by civilian radar."

(Excerpt) Read more at macon.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airplane; iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror

1 posted on 03/09/2014 6:08:50 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Israelis and other sources say the plane definitely DID turn around without consultation or warning.


2 posted on 03/09/2014 6:12:13 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Was their radio broken?


3 posted on 03/09/2014 6:19:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Pretty sure they were hijacked. I have been thinking this since yesterday....just too many odd things.


4 posted on 03/09/2014 6:21:46 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: COUNTrecount

How did they know do soon that some passports were fuddled with?


5 posted on 03/09/2014 6:23:04 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: jjotto

Could an aircraft which was affected by an explosion or loss of control look on radar like a plane turning back? Just a thought.

CC


6 posted on 03/09/2014 6:23:41 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: cuban leaf

Other threads have mentioned automatic pinging on this plane, so it’s not just a question of failed radios. I’m guessing it took some very specific knowledge to stop the automated features an hour before the plane actually disappeared.

FReepers with more specific knowledge of the plane will chime in, I’m sure.


7 posted on 03/09/2014 6:24:06 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: InvisibleChurch
How did they know do soon that some passports were fuddled with?

Just heard on BBC that Interpol has database of millions of stolen passport numbers. Seems that security check was not done (or terrorists had a helpful agent at the counter).

8 posted on 03/09/2014 6:26:39 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: MarMema

Yep. If there was no radio contact it means one of three things: The whole plane “failed” unexpectedly (exploded, Flight 800 style). It was hijacked. The radio was broken.

And the odds of the latter happening are rather unlikely.


9 posted on 03/09/2014 6:26:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf
"(exploded, Flight 800 style)"

Faulty wiring in the fuel tanks?


10 posted on 03/09/2014 6:35:29 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: cuban leaf

Some articles have ruled out an explosion saying it would have been picked up by satellites?


11 posted on 03/09/2014 6:39:12 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: don-o

That explains the five people who cancelled out at the last minute. They were the back up team in case their buddies got flagged by the passports.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 6:40:21 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Rodamala
am thinking an explosion or catastrophic failure would leave behind a debris field with bodies and pieces floating about

"Saturday's disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines 777 jet echoes an incident in 2007, when a Boeing 737 with 102 people on board disappeared during a flight between two Indonesian cities."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysian-jets-disappearance-sets-echoes-2007-crash-n47601

Took weeks to locate

13 posted on 03/09/2014 6:43:05 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Rodamala
"(exploded, Flight 800 style)"

Faulty wiring in the fuel tanks?

For which the whole Boeing 747 fleet should have been grounded to affect repairs. But this was never done. What does that tell you?

14 posted on 03/09/2014 6:43:31 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: don-o
exactly

also same report said;

When an Air India plane crashed in Mangalore in 2010 en route from Dubai, with the loss of 158 lives, as many 10 fraudulent passports were recovered.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503141

15 posted on 03/09/2014 6:52:27 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain; don-o; InvisibleChurch

Data from Interpol show there were 39 million lost or stolen passports as at the end of last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/four-flew-with-false-id-aboard-malaysia-airlines-plane-that-vanished-over-south-china-sea/2014/03/09/4b0d8a8c-a763-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html?algtrack=cfrec-0&tid=btm_rex_1


16 posted on 03/09/2014 7:02:30 AM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: MarMema

There is no debris. Think 9/11 when the plane was driven straight into the field. No debris there either.


17 posted on 03/09/2014 7:08:38 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: JohnG45

“For which the whole Boeing 747 fleet should have been grounded to affect repairs. But this was never done. What does that tell you?”

Yep, if I recall, the FAA let the Airlines make “the Fix” during regular Maint. schedules.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 7:19:22 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: InvisibleChurch
How did they know do soon that some passports were fuddled with?

As with *any* missing, or destroyed aircraft, they checked the passenger manifest, and the name of an individual appeared, who was not only *not* on that plane, but had reported his passport stolen months ago.

That began further investigations which revealed that more than one passport listed on the manifest was suspicious...

the infowarrior

19 posted on 03/09/2014 7:42:03 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior

It will be interesting if the four or five passengers who never got on the plane also have stolen passports.


20 posted on 03/09/2014 7:53:37 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Anything is possible but the transporter (IFF) normally would stop working at the instance of detonation. This aircraft previously sustained damage to a wing in a ground mishap. I wonder if a portion of the wing buckled. It’s possible to cause a extremely rapid roll that also could have altered the flight path.


21 posted on 03/09/2014 8:58:48 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: jjotto

I’m thinking it may have been accidentally shot down by the Chinese........


22 posted on 03/09/2014 10:31:55 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Was Occam's razor made by Gillette?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Could very well be that all along, if it was I would expect forums would be saturated with Chinese based posters trying to offer alternative theories, anything other than what would make them look bad.


23 posted on 03/09/2014 10:36:37 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

“There is no debris. Think 9/11 when the plane was driven straight into the field. No debris there either.”

There was PLENTY of debris on the ground around the WTC towers before the buildings collapsed. Plenty of pics of engine parts lying on the ground.


24 posted on 03/09/2014 11:02:23 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: cuban leaf
And the odds of the latter happening are rather unlikely.

Forgive the pun, lost comm is COMMon. In IFR conditions you squawk 7600 so the air traffic guys know, fly your last assigned clearance altitude and show up on time for your filed approach.

25 posted on 03/09/2014 11:34:31 AM PDT by xone
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
No debris there either.

Sure there was, just a smaller field of debris.

26 posted on 03/09/2014 11:35:58 AM PDT by xone
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To: LRoggy

Please reread my post. Notice the word ‘field’.


27 posted on 03/09/2014 11:44:46 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
"Flight 93 fragmented violently upon impact. Most of the aircraft wreckage was found near the impact crater.

Investigators found some very light debris including paper and nylon scattered up to eight miles (13 km) from the impact point in New Baltimore, Pennsylvania.

Other tiny aircraft fragments were found 1.5 miles (2.4 km) away at Indian Lake, Pennsylvania.[81] All human remains were found within a 70-acre (28 ha) area surrounding the impact point.

Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was part of a backbone.

Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total."

Source: Wikipedia

28 posted on 03/09/2014 11:47:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jjotto
I’m guessing it took some very specific knowledge to stop the automated features an hour before the plane actually disappeared.

Circuit breakers.

29 posted on 03/09/2014 2:51:22 PM PDT by xone
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To: Rodamala

Faulty wiring in the fuel tanks?


Yeah. That’s the ticket. ;-)


30 posted on 03/10/2014 3:32:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: JohnG45
For which the whole Boeing 747 fleet should have been grounded to affect repairs. But this was never done. What does that tell you?

Other than the 787 grounding of a few years ago I can't remember a single time the FAA ordered a airplane grounded following a crash due to unknown cause.

31 posted on 03/10/2014 3:42:44 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I can't remember a single time the FAA ordered a airplane grounded following a crash due to unknown cause.

But they said they had a KNOWN cause - faulty wiring in the center fuel tank.

32 posted on 03/10/2014 5:04:13 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: JohnG45
But they said they had a KNOWN cause - faulty wiring in the center fuel tank.

Then they send out inspection and modification orders. They have never ordered a mass grounding, other than the 787, so there is no reason why they should have for the 747 post TWA 800.

33 posted on 03/10/2014 6:00:24 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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