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Teen self-defense expert expelled, jailed, because of a pocketknife
Daily Caller ^ | March 10, 2014 | Robby Soave

Posted on 03/11/2014 11:35:45 AM PDT by robowombat

An Ohio high school student training to be an EMT was charged with a felony and sent to jail for 13 days because police found a pocketknife during an unauthorized search of his car.

Jordan Wiser, an 18-year-old student at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio, is an EMT trainee with a passion for self-defense and public service. He aspires to be a firefighter, and is a certified emergency vehicle operator. Wiser is comfortable with weapons, and posts Youtube videos of himself talking about law enforcement, self-defense and video games.

Apparently, school administrators caught wind of the videos, which led them to believe that Wiser was in possession of weapons, according to The Huffington Post.

Police searched Wiser’s car without his permission, discovering a pocketknife, stun gun and airsoft guns. Airsoft guns fire non-lethal, plastic pellets, and are used in sports games.

“I didn’t think anything of the Airsoft guns,” said Wiser in a statement. “Our school is a technical school, and I was planning on meeting with my Airsoft team after school. My stun gun was locked in the glove box, and the knife was in my EMT medical vest. I bought it at K-Mart and have it as part of my first responder kit for cutting seatbelts.”

The pocketknife violates the school district’s zero tolerance policy against bringing weapons onto school property — a class 5 felony.

For his crime, Wiser was carted off to jail for 13 days.

He is worried that a conviction will destroy his chance at a career in public service. Indeed, he has already been expelled from high school and technical school, and had his participation in the U.S. Army’s Future Soldiers program terminated.

“I won’t even be able to be a janitor. I’m 18 years old, and this is going to ruin my entire life,” he said.

Prosecutors aren’t backing down, however.

“We charge [people] with everything that we feel they are guilty of, and in this case, he is guilty of a felony,” said Ashtabula County assistant prosecutor Harold Specht in a statement.

As a condition of his release from jail, he was given an ankle monitor and ordered to remove all weapons from his house. Most curiously of all, he was told to have no further contact with his grandfather, who is dying of cancer.

“The one judge I went in front of told me to remove any firearms from my parents’ house and put them at my grandpa’s house,” said Wiser. “The next judge freaked out about me even knowing what a gun is and put a no contact order against me and my grandparents. My grandfather is dying right now, and I am not allowed within 500 feet of him.”

The school district did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ashtabulacounty; banglist; intolerance; jordanwiser; travesty; zerotolerance
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The late Sam Francis defined this sort of thing as 'anarcho-tyranny.

The following quote from Wikipedia is an accurate description of what this man is being subjected to and what the mostly white middle class is being targeted with.

Samuel Francis argued that the problems of managerial state extend to issues of crime and justice. In 1992, he introduced the word “anarcho-tyranny” into the paleocon vocabulary. He once defined it this way: “we refuse to control real criminals (that's the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that's the tyranny).” Francis argued that this situation extends across the U.S. and Europe. While the government functions normally, violent crime remains a constant, creating a climate of fear (anarchy). He says that “laws that are supposed to protect ordinary citizens against ordinary criminals” routinely go unenforced, even though the state is “perfectly capable” of doing so. While this problem rages on, government elites concentrate their interests on law-abiding citizens. In fact, Middle America winds up on the receiving end of both anarchy and tyranny.

1 posted on 03/11/2014 11:35:45 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Man. I’m glad we didn’t have this insanity when I was a Prosecutor.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 11:36:49 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: robowombat

“Zero Tolerance”: For people who don’t have common sense.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 11:39:52 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Well, they will argue the internet comments were probable cause, which, of course, would be ludicrous.

He should sue for defamation and violation of his privacy rights.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 11:40:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: RIghtwardHo

“Man. I’m glad we didn’t have this insanity when I was a Prosecutor.”

Man. I’m glad we didn’t have this insanity when I was in high school. I’d probably just be getting out.


5 posted on 03/11/2014 11:40:28 AM PDT by moovova
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To: robowombat

Coming soon:
You gave police or Obamacomiessaaaar dirty look = 10 years in Siberia.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 11:42:23 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: robowombat

When is this crap gonna stop? How much more of this sh*t must we endure?


7 posted on 03/11/2014 11:46:11 AM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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To: robowombat

It’s hard to get past the rage over this brutally sadistic injustice, but I would point out that the legal mechanism to carry out this atrocity depends on presuming this young man was acting in a corporate capacity. FWIW.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 11:47:00 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: robowombat
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957)

9 posted on 03/11/2014 11:48:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: robowombat

This is fascism. Being practiced today, in the once-great (but no more) USA.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 11:48:36 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: robowombat

His lawyers must be really bad.

Is this satire?


11 posted on 03/11/2014 11:56:03 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: robowombat

This appears to be a good case for jury nullification.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 12:00:21 PM PDT by scripter
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To: robowombat

Sue the school district and police organizations, and every person individually. Sue them all and let God sort them out.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 12:02:11 PM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: robowombat

This is satire, right? Right?


14 posted on 03/11/2014 12:03:28 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: I want the USA back

This once great country is small, bitchy and mean. The Byzantine Empire fell because the citizens didn’t think it was worth fighting for. Well, i can barely imagine the scenario that would motivate me to again bear arms for this country. I would happily stand aside.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 12:03:42 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Are you a workign attorney now?

If so... are you helping our side with any issues?


16 posted on 03/11/2014 12:05:06 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: robowombat
If I were his defense, I'd say Yes, it is a weapon. and then proceed to cite the Ohio state constitution:
§ 1.01 Inalienable Rights (1851)
All men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and seeking and obtaining happiness and safety.

§ 1.04 Bearing arms; standing armies; military powers (1851)
The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

Then I'd look into the laws against malicious prosecution and civil rights violations and go on the offensive. :D

17 posted on 03/11/2014 12:06:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: robowombat

“We charge [people] with everything that we feel they are guilty of, and in this case, he is guilty of a felony,”

If I were the defense attorney, this statement would be the key to getting the case dismissed.

And the prosecutor stripped of his job.

[for the feeble-minded: he violates the presumption of innocence]


18 posted on 03/11/2014 12:06:12 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: robowombat; supercat
"As a condition of his release from jail, he was given an ankle monitor and ordered to remove all weapons from his house. Most curiously of all, he was told to have no further contact with his grandfather, who is dying of cancer.

“The one judge I went in front of told me to remove any firearms from my parents’ house and put them at my grandpa’s house,” said Wiser. “The next judge freaked out about me even knowing what a gun is and put a no contact order against me and my grandparents. My grandfather is dying right now, and I am not allowed within 500 feet of him.”

What a travesty. Unthinkable. As Ayn Rand wrote (posted above).

This injustice cannot stand. What recourse does this responsible hard-working young man have?

19 posted on 03/11/2014 12:12:22 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: robowombat
“I won’t even be able to be a janitor. I’m 18 years old, and this is going to ruin my entire life,” he said.

Better to find out now what job his commissar's planned for him to do. No use wasting time pursuing a passion when you can be assigned to a job that the community needs done.

-PJ

20 posted on 03/11/2014 12:15:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: robowombat

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21 posted on 03/11/2014 12:16:21 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: robowombat

Your comment is a great observation.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 12:17:41 PM PDT by grundle
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To: robowombat
When I went to grade school is was practically a sin to be with out a pocket knife.

Now tell me again how we are going to save the Republic? The one I grew up in is no more.

23 posted on 03/11/2014 12:18:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: RIghtwardHo; Travis McGee; TigersEye

What can be done for him? How did it even get to this point, where / who was his legal representation (I wonder).

This simply *isn’t right*, from beginning to end. But here it is.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: moovova
Man. I’m glad we didn’t have this insanity when I was in high school. I’d probably just be getting out.

Same here. I think about the Boy Scout knife that I carried in my pocket daily all throughout my school years.

25 posted on 03/11/2014 12:18:47 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: robowombat

When I was in H.S. every boy had pocket knife in his pants at school, that was in the mid 60s.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 12:19:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: I want the USA back

You know what the “kid” is REALLY “guilty” of?

Believing in self-defense, with the best means at hand.

Leftists HATE the idea of people that can defend themselves, and for several reasons.
The dependent sheeperals look at someone who can defend themselves as pointing out how shamefully dependent said sheeperals are.
The “ruling class” leftists hate the idea of someone defending themselves from thuggery - BECAUSE THEY INTEND TO USE THUGGERY on people.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 12:21:20 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: OneWingedShark

Also the illegal search under the 4th means the evidence (knife) is inadmissible.


28 posted on 03/11/2014 12:22:01 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Unless he signed consent to search as part of enrollment. He may have.


29 posted on 03/11/2014 12:25:42 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I had teachers ask to borrow my Buck folder on occasion. Graduated 1987.

Zero tolerance? Zero intelligence.


30 posted on 03/11/2014 12:27:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tre Norner eg ber, binde til rota...)
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To: robowombat

A whole bunch of little Nazis need to have their asses kicked (literally) and told to leave this *good* kid alone.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 12:31:11 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: robowombat

Spot on regarding the anarch-tyranny reference. Pournelle has referenced that frequently over the years in his blog.

The judges need to be named and added to an “enemies of the Constitution” list.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 12:36:01 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Resolute Conservative

http://www.starbeacon.com/local/x468539007/A-Tech-student-s-case-bound-over-to-grand-jury?mobRedir=false

According to this 12/xx/13 news story, he was asked and granted permission for the search.


33 posted on 03/11/2014 12:37:05 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: cyn

Mistake #1.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 12:38:27 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: robowombat

I hope the kid hires the junk-yard-attack-dog-meanest lawyer in Ohio and, literally, sues everyone in sight who GROSSLY VIOLATED his Constitutional Rights!

Somewhere, somehow, someway, we have got to put a stop to the police state!


35 posted on 03/11/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

If nothing else, at least this poor kid is going to learn a lot more about his government a lot faster than his peers.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 12:45:15 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: robowombat

I carried a pocket knife just about every day of my school career (still carry one every day BTW). I wasn’t the only one either. Most boys did. There were plenty of fights in school, yet no one ever thought about pulling out a pocket knife to stab someone.

I may sound like an old fuddy duddy, but between this type of stuff and video games I am so glad I am not growing up today.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 12:54:37 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: robowombat

After so many of these ridiculous incidents WHY HAVENT ANY REPUBS PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO PREVENT THIS?


38 posted on 03/11/2014 12:55:38 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: robowombat; prisoner6; sneakers

http://my.firefighternation.com/profile/JordanBryceWiser

Ashtabula area; have ya’ll heard anything about Jordan Wiser’s situation? We really need Quinn and Rose...


39 posted on 03/11/2014 12:57:07 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
After so many of these ridiculous incidents WHY HAVENT ANY REPUBS PROPOSED LEGISLATION TO PREVENT THIS?

For the same reason they don't suggest repeal of the NFA or GCA, or seriously fight abortion, or seriously try repealing Obamacare, or seriously attack the debt — if they did any of that, they couldn't use that issue to scare up more votes.

40 posted on 03/11/2014 1:07:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cyn
I don't know how to help this particular young man but this is another glaring example of why home school and private schools are the only sane choices today. Public schools ARE child abuse.

My suggestion for the administrators, prosecutor and judges is entirely illegal. They should all be disappeared IMO. Lawlessness begets lawlessness.

41 posted on 03/11/2014 1:14:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: cyn

Thanks for the head up cyn! My blood is BOILING! Going to pass this around...thinking about contacting the school.


42 posted on 03/11/2014 1:24:17 PM PDT by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: robowombat

Who know my Jr High School was training me to be a felon when the Mechanical Drawing class required a sharp pocket knife to trim wooden drafting pencils and a box of single edged razor blades to scrape India ink blobs from the drawing.

Then again, that teacher did pack a snub nose revolver on his hip.

And ruling pens were drafting instruments and not the school administrative offices.


43 posted on 03/11/2014 1:33:07 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: RIghtwardHo

You could have done the Obozo thing and used “prosecutorial discretion” and not prosecute. . .


44 posted on 03/11/2014 2:04:00 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: cyn; All

So, we have one story saying that he gave permission, and another saying that he did not.

He says, in comments at the one article, that his lawyer is doing a great job.

One of the comments says that the police were investigating him for taking pictures at crime scenes and at house fires. It could be that they were looking for something to hang him on. Of course, I do not know if the allegation in the comments is true, but we do have a first amendment right to take photographs in public places.


45 posted on 03/11/2014 2:13:46 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: robowombat

“We charge [people] with everything that we feel they are guilty of, and in this case, he is guilty of a felony,” said Ashtabula County assistant prosecutor Harold Specht in a statement.

Fortunately for you sir stupidity is not s crime!


46 posted on 03/11/2014 3:00:23 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: OneWingedShark

“For the same reason they don’t suggest repeal of the NFA or GCA, or seriously fight abortion, or seriously try repealing Obamacare, or seriously attack the debt — if they did any of that, they couldn’t use that issue to scare up more votes.”

They could get more votes by taking stands against idiocy like this. I would rather fix the problem than btch about it.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 3:03:49 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
They could get more votes by taking stands against idiocy like this. I would rather fix the problem than btch about it.

Oh, I believe that!
The problem though is that they don't. In fact, I would venture to say that they are the ultimate conservative (in the sense they wish to preserve the status quo) they'd be much happier just "stopping" everything and living in their current comfort than risking anything.

48 posted on 03/11/2014 4:00:10 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett; ansel12

Indeed — we have a small-l libertarian about to be created.

Gnash your teeth at that, ansel12.


49 posted on 03/11/2014 4:06:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Quite so! I just pointed out to ansel12 that “conservatism” can become VERY navel-gazing. And this fights God. And it’s like the answer is la la la la, I can’t hear you.


50 posted on 03/11/2014 4:08:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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