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Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues
Breitbart ^ | 3-16-2014 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/15/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by TitansAFC

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To: superloser

How about this, before you give the left all the social liberalism you guys want, first stop the welfare checks and social programs.


151 posted on 03/15/2014 11:00:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: DoughtyOne
I have not abandoned morals, and I’m not about to.

Ditto.

152 posted on 03/15/2014 11:13:49 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Republicans should not bow down to social issues. It should be Constitution, states rights and anti-progressivism.

Mutually exclusive don't you think?

153 posted on 03/15/2014 11:15:46 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: TitansAFC
—”Rand Paul is every bit as good a candidate as his dad.”—

The boss was pulling your leg Titan. Wise up.

154 posted on 03/15/2014 11:21:02 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: soycd
and less damaging to society would be preventing the conception birth of unwanted kids and stopping the welfare cycle.

Fixed it for you.

155 posted on 03/15/2014 11:37:26 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: TitansAFC
I have just never had a good feeling about Rand Paul. Nothing that I have heard or read about him or by him gives me any confidence in his ability to win, lead or stay Conservative. I KNOW we can do better!
156 posted on 03/15/2014 11:40:53 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: soycd
Unless the drive and desire to unite physically is taken out of the human species, it will happen.

You know what I was in High School in the early 50's and what you say will always happen. When it did it was a shameful thing.

157 posted on 03/15/2014 11:42:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Fiscal conservatisms will lead to social conservatism.

Cart before the horse there Peter.

158 posted on 03/15/2014 11:45:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: GeronL
When did Ted Cruz “turn out to be a sham” ??

Never, as far as I can tell. But there are people running all over the board screaming that Cruz betrayed America but can never express WHAT he did. Other than mixing him up with Rubio.

159 posted on 03/16/2014 1:04:37 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.

Yep - the social issues are a diversion and a symptom, not a problem that can be effectively targeted. The Left knows this and the Right seems to have no idea. We will flail about and insist that a candidate has spittle flying from his lips, while ranting about how we need to take care of social issues, or he isn't pure enough in that regard. IOW, we demand qualities that are not going to be helpful if we want to move back toward a constitutional representative republic - the Left will continue to win as we attack the wrong targets.

160 posted on 03/16/2014 4:21:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TitansAFC

If it is all about the money then we are nothing but slaves and widgets.


161 posted on 03/16/2014 4:39:31 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TitansAFC

I’m afraid Rand wouldn’t be any better than Nixon in 1968. And I’m not saying Rand will win by the narrow margin of popular votes that Nixon did.


162 posted on 03/16/2014 6:12:27 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: elcid1970

Rand is already on board with McC but may be hesitant about the “SC wonder of the media”.


163 posted on 03/16/2014 6:37:07 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: TADSLOS

Simple to us, but not to most uninformed Republican primary voters


164 posted on 03/16/2014 6:37:39 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: itsahoot

Fiscal conservatisms will lead to social conservatism.
Cart before the horse there Peter.


So you would argue that we have to have social conservatism before we get fiscal.

Sorry, it is all about the money. Nothing changes until the money is gone.......................

I will take ANY advances in ANY Form. If some one want to got with fiscal conservatism, God Bless them, they have my support.


165 posted on 03/16/2014 6:39:02 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: trebb

Social issues, as the liberals call them, fuel the spending of the overall government in ways that the average uninformed Republican primary voters cannot discern.


166 posted on 03/16/2014 6:40:00 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: itsahoot

I will also argue that it is human nature to take the easy path. You can try to teach the work ethic while giving them free stuff, but the reality is they won’t work until they HAVE TO.


167 posted on 03/16/2014 6:53:32 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: itsahoot

I have not abandoned morals, and I’m not about to.
Ditto.


No body said that you had to and I do not either. But one of the tenants of conservatism is understanding human nature and history.


168 posted on 03/16/2014 6:55:29 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: SVTCobra03

“I prefer not to live in a Sodom and Gamorrah just because it has a free market economy. And that free market economy would not last long in a immoral environment. We would be right back to crony capitalism and fascism.”

I think there is a lot...a LOT....of crony capitalism happening right now.


169 posted on 03/16/2014 6:57:21 AM PDT by conservaKate (R got it wrong in 2012. We must get it right in 2014 & 2016.)
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To: TitansAFC

Good-bye, Rand. You have fallen to the bottom of my list for 2016.


170 posted on 03/16/2014 8:12:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Lou Budvis
Rand’s right. The war over gay marriage is largely over.

It is? You want to tell God that?

171 posted on 03/16/2014 8:33:54 AM PDT by eekitsagreek (Tip like a Greek during tough economic times: 3% in loose change!)
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To: eekitsagreek

Man’s law has no effect on God’s law. Everyone will have to account for themself before God. However, as a political matter in the US - no state that has gay marriage is going to get rid of it and there’s not going to be a Constitutional Amendment to ban it. The status quo will probably remain for the foreseeable future. So there’s no point in making it a campaign issue on a national level.


172 posted on 03/16/2014 9:16:05 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: TitansAFC

I will say what I always say: FISCAL CONSERVATISM *IS* SOCIAL CONSERVATISM. A massive reduction in the size of government will defund the social Left’s pet projects like Planned Parenthood, NPR, elementary school “fisting” instruction, etc.


173 posted on 03/16/2014 9:34:58 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Theodore R.
Social issues, as the liberals call them, fuel the spending of the overall government in ways that the average uninformed Republican primary voters cannot discern.

While I agree, letting up on the social issues as a litmus test will help rally behind someone who is a lot more conservative than we have been getting. If we get folks who believe in the Constitution and allowing States to handle issues that aren't designated as being under the purview of the Federal government, things will begin to self-correct IAW what the People really believe. We won't have a DOJ suing the hell out of States that try to assert their rights and we won't have a "president" running rogue while the Congress (both houses) sits idly by.

When we focus on an across-the-board platform of social issues/abortion/homosexuals/immigration there will never be the "perfect" candidate that can be rallied behind.

These, while all important and having ill effects on our Freedoms, are all symptoms of the disease. The disease is politicians who hold no stock in the Constitution and feel that the Federal government trumps all - including the States. We allowed a united-front series of leftists to inch their agendas little-by-little over more than half a century. There will be no quick fix as so many seem to expect. We will have to claw our way back via the same dogged methodology and address one issue at a time if we are to make headway without being constantly distracted to total ineffectiveness.

174 posted on 03/16/2014 10:05:10 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TitansAFC

Social conservatives need to learn the language of culture of critique. Social liberalism is a complete fail, learn to articulate that.


175 posted on 03/16/2014 10:19:54 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Betty Jane

Good words and I agree with them. Thank you.


176 posted on 03/16/2014 10:53:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: itsahoot

Thanks ItsAHoot...


177 posted on 03/16/2014 10:54:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Lou Budvis
The war over gay marriage is largely over.

The war over sodomy is largely over... The war over infanticide is largely over... The war over euthanasia is largely over... The war over polygamy is largely over... The war over pedophilia is largely over... The war over bestiality is largely over... The war over cannibalism is largely over...

Lou Budvis, meet Slippery Slope.

178 posted on 03/16/2014 11:50:16 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Luircin

I guess that makes more sense


179 posted on 03/16/2014 11:52:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cookcounty

Yeah, I’m not much of a Paul fan anyway. But what the bleep is he talking about? Every time I get a fundraising letter from the RNC I write back asking what the heck the platform is? The only thing they ever say is “beat democrats” which isn’t much of a plan. The notion that the republican party is somehow “socially conservative” is more BS than anything else. And I dare you to try and find out what S/C proposal(s) are out there just waiting to get enacted. As noted above, controlling spending would indeed be socially conservative and even that ain’t happening.


180 posted on 03/16/2014 11:53:07 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

You could see this coming from the beginning of Paul’s run for the White House. He’s working the conservatives... to see what we will accept and what we won’t. Plus, how many of the Paulites he can count on. He punts and then backs off.. then punts again on something else. Testing.. testing... and he hopes to hit the jackpot.

I’m one of those absolutes... no grey areas... bending hasn’t worked in the past and certainly not now. McCain, Romney... both would not take obama on... and look where we are. Being nice to the left does NOT WORK!


181 posted on 03/16/2014 12:15:49 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Jim Robinson
"Rand Paul is every bit as good a candidate as his dad."

Jim, you have a command of the subtle -- like running into barbed wire at night -- as well as any Navy I have ever known. Props (and thanks) to you as always.

That said, Paul is engaging both the freedom-from-government-abuse wing of the GOP as well as his dad's 10 percenter 'disgronified-with-everything' crew.

I may be crazy but I truly believe it's the way to beat Madame Cankles in 2016.

182 posted on 03/16/2014 12:59:37 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: ponygirl; Lou Budvis
Lou Budvis, meet Slippery Slope.

Yeah, that's nice to say, Ponygirl, but how would you suggest we turn things around?

We've lost the country as a whole. Even among Republicans, there is a disturbing percentage who favor allowing gay marriage. Which of the states now allowing it will reverse course? Which court case, if it goes to SCOTUS, will result in our favor?

All of that means that yes, we have largely lost the war over gay marriage. To admit it is not a "slippery slope", it's reality. And unless we want to start losing any of the other battles you mention, we will need to start acknowledging reality.
183 posted on 03/16/2014 1:09:22 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: StAnDeliver

Sorry, pal. He’s a light in the loafers amnesty pusher and RINO loving surrender monkey.


184 posted on 03/16/2014 1:13:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: highball

Federal courts rewriting state laws or creating whole new state laws is unconstitutional. That is reality.


185 posted on 03/16/2014 1:13:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: StAnDeliver

Turning off social conservatives is a losing strategy


186 posted on 03/16/2014 1:15:13 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ponygirl

Bump

Surrender is not a winning strategy!


187 posted on 03/16/2014 1:16:29 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TitansAFC
Rand Paul can run on his ideas - and NOT worry about social issues...

It's his choice - if he wins the primary taking these positions his warnings will be taken seriously. Beyond that and he starts coming across like Nancy Pelosi who loves to give Republican free advice.

The contest between our champions exist to see which ideas work best... Rand Paul should not be trying to short circuit the process.

188 posted on 03/16/2014 1:25:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: GeronL

You think that, I think that.

But the courts don’t, neither do the governors of those states, neither do the people in them (if the people even disagreed with the results, which by and large they don’t).

So what are you and I to do?


189 posted on 03/16/2014 1:50:11 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank-you!

I want to be able to say, like Paul the Apostle.......

I have fought the good fight......I have finished the race......I have kept the faith.

No compromises......never


190 posted on 03/16/2014 2:00:14 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: TitansAFC

“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues......”

A sheep in sheep’s clothing. Social issues become economic issues.


191 posted on 03/16/2014 2:07:21 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: TitansAFC

As a Christian and social conservative and fiscal conservative I have no trouble supporting Rand Paul, it is the Republican Party I have given up on.

I never thought the govt had any business in the marriage business in the first place. And as far as I know Rand is solidly pro-life.

I supported his father Ron Paul who was the only one worth supporting in the last nomination process unlike Romney the quisling liberal.


192 posted on 03/16/2014 2:29:20 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: TitansAFC

The republican party could adopt the democrat platform and still lose as long as there is an “R” behind the candidate’s name.


193 posted on 03/16/2014 3:50:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: TitansAFC; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; mlizzy; mc5cents; RichInOC; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

194 posted on 03/16/2014 3:52:04 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: mulligan

Right on! A society forever blind to natural laws of creation and unwilling to strengthen moral decision and understanding will grow ever more dependent on government, in one way or another. It is why we are here, as a country, presently. It is frustrating why most people do not grasp the idea, that the better you improve yourself, the better you influence and can take care of your family, and thus society. We have a systemic problem and faulty conscience and faulty wisdom is at the forefront.


195 posted on 03/16/2014 4:15:06 PM PDT by mazz44
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To: P-Marlowe

I agree 100% with you.I would rather die than support the killing of babies and every perversion seeking acceptance.


196 posted on 03/16/2014 4:44:19 PM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: P-Marlowe
P-Marlowe says ...

Bears repeating with emphasis.

197 posted on 03/16/2014 4:50:49 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: DoughtyOne

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


198 posted on 03/16/2014 6:05:48 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: ilovesarah2012

You said it! Social Issues mean more to me than financial issues. IF we allow SOCIAL ISSUES to weaken we lose the nation, COMPLETELY.
WITHOUT a moral change America is on her way to JUDGEMENT!!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!
IF RAND PAUL accepts gay marriage, et all......I STAY HOME and wait for Judgement to fall.....


199 posted on 03/16/2014 6:10:17 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: pollywog

I’m with you.


200 posted on 03/16/2014 6:17:47 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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