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How much weight should our opposition to abortion carry in our voting decisions?
ligonier.org ^ | 3/22/14 | RC Sproul, Jr

Posted on 03/22/2014 2:46:47 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: sagar

I have no problem with any of those proposals. After 55 million dead babies you’re worried about the slippery slope in the other direction? We need some perspective here.


21 posted on 03/22/2014 3:38:33 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“There’s something worse than murder in this world. That something is refusing salvation.”

When you murder others, you rob others of their earthly life and liberty. When you refuse salvation, you may rob yourself of heavenly life and liberty. I would say that refusing salvation is akin to refusing a sales pitch of a wonderful product that could help you in the future. Clearly, that is not in the same class as murdering someone, especially the innocent unborn!


22 posted on 03/22/2014 3:39:08 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

Disagree. On the basis of the bible itself. Unforgivable vs. forgivable sin.


23 posted on 03/22/2014 3:40:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If it is between a pro life and a pro baby killing candidate, always vote pro life.

If both or pro death, vote for the Republican. (They have at least a chance of voting right due to party pressure later.


24 posted on 03/22/2014 3:44:44 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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To: bicyclerepair
Yes, what you say is often the stance of the Libertarian.

Can you answer a couple of questions:

1) Is abortion the murder of a human being?
2) If yes, is it the Libertarian stance to permit murders as long as state bodies pass such legislation?
25 posted on 03/22/2014 3:45:26 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“On the basis of the bible itself. Unforgivable vs. forgivable sin.”

Thankfully, the laws of the US are earthly laws. You will have to wait for your death to find out the constitution of the heaven(The Bible) to start.


26 posted on 03/22/2014 3:45:33 PM PDT by sagar
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To: DuncanWaring

No, the Nazis killed roughly six million Jews.

And seven million other Communists, Gypsies, homosexuals, and others deemed inconsistent with the ‘glories’ of the Third Reich.

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Well put! Thank you.

In comparison to our abortion numbers, the Nazis were mere pikers, however.


27 posted on 03/22/2014 3:47:02 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: sagar

Nope, they are revealed now and we are told to live by them now.

Casuistry only steers you to hell, and that begins with hell on earth, you can’t even say you have managed to put it off till eternity.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 3:47:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: man_in_tx

But the greatest mass-murderer of all may very well be Rachel Carson.


29 posted on 03/22/2014 3:50:48 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Ouderkirk

you can’t do anything if you don’t have a majority.

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True: But, if you would, please clarify just what it is you mean by “majority.”

Surely, you cannot mean we should merely settle for a majority of elected officials who haven an “R” after their names?

How many times have we been sold down the river by alleged “Rs” who voted “D” . . . When it REALLY mattered?

Answer: Far too often.

We need to elect officials who are uncompromising in their opposition to abortion.

Whether abortion is opposed via Federal or state legislation is a matter for debate. However, in keeping with the letter and spirit of the Constitution, I believe it better legislated at the State level.

Lest we forget, prior to the infamous Roe V. Wade decision, abortion was outlawed in something like 47 to 50 states. Roe v Wade overturned the laws of almost 50 states..., and this country has never since recovered.

Currently, abortion is legally practiced in all 50 states — though, I would hope, not for long here in Texas, Deo Volonte!


30 posted on 03/22/2014 3:54:04 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx

make that “47 to 49 states”


31 posted on 03/22/2014 3:56:07 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: SoFloFreeper
In a hundred years, no elderly Christian will be looked at with suspicion by the younger generation because they didn’t do more to lower the tax rate. In a hundred years, if God should be so gracious, we will be looked upon as that godless generation of the church that watched tens of millions of babies go to their deaths.

The only lasting victory will come from defunding the Left. With every passing year, the Dems get more people who are dependent upon government, and willing to vote the Dem line.

I could see the Dems offering a bargain: they would agree to not oppose the elimination of all government support for abortion, along with larger restrictions on abortion access, in exchange for our side not opposing a large expansion of government. Then, five years later when the Dems have leveraged this expansion to secure complete control of all branches, they cancel what they initially agreed to, and make abortion-on-demand to the 9th month a federally funded entitlement.

What will the remaining Christians of the 22nd Century think of you then? That you were noble to seek a short term victory, or that you were fools for losing the long-term war?

32 posted on 03/22/2014 4:01:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: man_in_tx

I appreciate your point, but if you look at the democRATS, they are all true believers, so their aliegence is never questioned, and the leadership manages to hold the line and enforce party discipline on their members who stray.

Republicans never seem to learn that lesson. The squishy R’s never seem to feel the pressure that they should. Juan McAmnesty and Lindsey Graham leap to mind but there are others as well. Gingrich did enforce some unity/loyalty to a large degree while he was speaker, yet Hastert the Bastert and even Boner never have.

This is really the issue you are addressing, and that is a function of the leader and who is able to manage enough allies to become speaker. The Whip so some degree needs to be the enforcer, and remind those members who go soft, that they will not be around in the next term if they run afoul of the agenda.

I don’t think that announcing their opposition to abortion is going to get ignored my the democRAT media, they will get trashed by the democRAT media, and thus will not get elected at all. Better to not discuss it like the democRATS do, give assurances that they are not going to ban it when questioned like the democRATS do with gun control, and then once elected just go ahead and do it like the democRATS do.

I agree that this is a state issue but we need to win national elections to appoint Federal judges who believe that this is a state issue.


33 posted on 03/22/2014 4:20:48 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: bicyclerepair
These two should be only between a woman/dr and people/ministers respectively. It’s not my d@mn business.

Then you are officially 'pro-choice'.

34 posted on 03/22/2014 4:30:22 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: bicyclerepair

That is a non-response, it is simply a way of saying you support abortion and the end of marriage.


35 posted on 03/22/2014 4:33:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SatinDoll

Abortion is just “medicine” and gay marriage in the military, federal employment, and immigration is a state by state issue.

You sure have some crazy ideas.


36 posted on 03/22/2014 4:35:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Responsibility2nd

not probably!


37 posted on 03/22/2014 4:36:39 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: HiTech RedNeck; sagar

The most anti-God, perverse post of all, is the one trying to convince voters to not vote against abortion and to protect marriage, all the while pretending that it is for God.

Christians should always vote in a way that represents their Christian faith.

Vote as a Christian.


38 posted on 03/22/2014 4:45:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The right to life is first for a reason. If a candidate can’t get the most important one right, I can’t trust him or her to be strong on any of the others.


39 posted on 03/22/2014 4:48:13 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

As with Amnesty,100%. Both positions render the candidate at least highly untrustworthy on all other apparently conservative positions.


40 posted on 03/22/2014 5:10:10 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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