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Scientists believe they know where MH370 crashed
The Telegraph ^ | Thursday, March 27, 2014 | Jonathan Pearlman

Posted on 03/27/2014 5:13:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler

A research team at University of Western Australia also believes the cabin is in once piece, improving the chances the black box could be found.

Scientists believe they know where Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 crashed into the ocean and that the cabin sank in one piece. The research by the University of Western Australia, using meteorological and ocean-current data alongside the British analysis from data “pings” recorded by UK firm Inmarsat, has determined the point of impact and the movements of debris in the weeks following the crash.

A fresh satellite sighting of 300 floating objects ranging in size from seven to 49 feet about 1,680 miles from Perth in the southern Indian Ocean was reported by Thailand yesterday, tallying with previous sightings by French and Chinese satellites. Thai satellite images show objects about 120 miles from a debris field of 122 objects captured by a French satellite on Sunday.

Professor Charitha Pattiaratchi, the scientist who oversaw the research, said that a failure to spot buoyant objects that originated inside the plane indicated that the cabin probably remained intact as it sank into the sea. This would improve the chances that the black box survived without significant damage in the depths below the crash site.

“I think the way the plane crashed, a lot of the debris has been kept intact inside the plane,” said Professor Charitha Pattiaratchi, from the university’s oceans institute. “If the plane broke up, we should see a lot more debris floating around. We should have seen smaller bits of lifejacket and seats, things which are going to float.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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Another article on it ...
1 posted on 03/27/2014 5:13:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

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2 posted on 03/27/2014 5:15:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Boffins. Usually these UK papers all them boffins.


3 posted on 03/27/2014 5:16:14 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Star Traveler

Just out: Like other airlines, Malaysian Airlines gave this aircraft a name. It is called ‘Waldo’.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 5:20:07 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Star Traveler

Th black box usually isn’t in the cabin. Not sure about 777 but IIRC most BB equipment is located toward the tail because that has a better chance of surviving impact.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 5:21:26 PM PDT by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: Star Traveler

Scientists believe in global warming too...

Just sayin’.


6 posted on 03/27/2014 5:26:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Star Traveler
The multinational air and sea search has failed to spot or retrieve any confirmed wreckage from the Boeing 777,

They don't seem to have enough ships in the area.
Planes can't stay in the area or pick things out of the water.

If a plane can get a photo by today's standards, you would know what it was since the aerial photos are so detailed.

All they have are satellite photos from over a hundred miles away.
Photos from aircraft hundreds of feet away would be very clear and could be greatly enlarged.

Let hope they get some soon.-tom

7 posted on 03/27/2014 5:30:16 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: Star Traveler

If this is true wouldn’t that mean there are probably human remains inside the cabin?


8 posted on 03/27/2014 5:32:06 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

It would seem so ...


9 posted on 03/27/2014 5:35:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ifinnegan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boffin


10 posted on 03/27/2014 5:36:18 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Star Traveler
I think the way the plane crashed ...

And how would he know the way the plane crashed??? Was he there???

He's just another attention-seeker vying for his 15 minutes ...

oops time's up ... move along ... next.

11 posted on 03/27/2014 5:36:39 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler
What may have happened...
12 posted on 03/27/2014 5:37:32 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Star Traveler

Bull


13 posted on 03/27/2014 5:39:58 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Star Traveler
cabin probably remained intact as it sank into the sea. This would improve the chances that the black box survived without significant damage in the depths below the crash site.

Another reporter who thinks he / she knows something about airplanes.

1. The "black boxes" [flight data and voice recorders] are actually a bright orange.

2. They are located in the tail section of the aircraft, as that is the most likely part to survive a crash intact.

14 posted on 03/27/2014 5:41:29 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“And how would he know the way the plane crashed???”
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He is assuming that it was a controlled crash. Considering the other clues and facts, this is quite likely.


15 posted on 03/27/2014 5:41:46 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Star Traveler

Planet Earth ?


16 posted on 03/27/2014 5:43:51 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: prisoner6

He’s saying that if the cabin remained intact, then there would not have been a situation where the black box would have been damaged either. In other words, there’s not the type of conditions in the crash where it — too — would have been damaged.


17 posted on 03/27/2014 5:49:37 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Uncle Chip
No, if the plane came apart at high altitude there would small debris spread over a wide area. If the plane hit the water intact it would be grouped close together and if not at high speed there would be large pieces to recover.
18 posted on 03/27/2014 5:50:56 PM PDT by DB
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To: Arrowhead1952

The article did not say anything about the color of the black box. Also, the article did not say anything about the location of the black box, inside the plane.

You’re simply “reading that INTO the article” from your misreading of the article.


19 posted on 03/27/2014 5:53:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: AlexW
Considering the other clues and facts, this is quite likely.

And what would those other clues and facts be???

20 posted on 03/27/2014 5:53:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Star Traveler

A truly evil opponent would dump bodies, luggage, seat cushions, and miscellaneous debris to convince people that the airframe was out of play while they quietly converted it for other uses...


21 posted on 03/27/2014 5:54:14 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yea, they know where it crashed... in the ocean. Somewhere.


22 posted on 03/27/2014 5:54:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Star Traveler

Belief has nothing to do with science, except for global warming, evolution...


23 posted on 03/27/2014 5:55:05 PM PDT by mountainlion
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To: null and void

Oh! A CIA operation then ... false flags a wavin’ anyone?


24 posted on 03/27/2014 5:55:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Though the math involved in this is about 5th grade level and is the best clue to date.


25 posted on 03/27/2014 5:56:27 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Uncle Chip

“And what would those other clues and facts be??? “
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It is quite apparent that the plane was hijacked and under control. It did not make a U turn and fly off into the Indian Ocean on its own.
It was also most likely out of fuel.


26 posted on 03/27/2014 5:58:52 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Arrowhead1952

Very early on they said the flight data recorder was turned off. How they knew that is anyone’s guess, unless there was inside information beforehand. We will have to see if they find it and if anything is on it.


27 posted on 03/27/2014 5:59:50 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner

Grabbing for their 15 minutes of fame!


28 posted on 03/27/2014 6:01:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Karl Spooner

I never saw that stated. And if it was (which I never saw) it certainly was never repeated. In addition, I haven’t ever seen it reported that it’s even possible to turn it off.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 6:02:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well, they’re doing a whole lot better than saying “somewhere in the world” ... LOL ...


30 posted on 03/27/2014 6:04:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: AlexW

We know all of that but that doesn’t tell anybody HOW it went down.


31 posted on 03/27/2014 6:08:42 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: DoughtyOne
Scientists believe in global warming too...Just sayin’.

Believe in government grants and peer acceptance....Just saying.

32 posted on 03/27/2014 6:10:46 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yeah, I know. Sometimes things are only said once, but I did hear that report and found it memorable.


33 posted on 03/27/2014 6:10:59 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Star Traveler

34 posted on 03/27/2014 6:11:41 PM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: ifinnegan

University of Western Australia... huh. Just more tenure seeking profs pimping for dollars. They are the same all over the world.

Give me money and I can research this some more and “fix it” when in reality they just “discover” another problem only they can now study.


35 posted on 03/27/2014 6:17:35 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Slyfox

I think that those engineers at Inmarsat and the AAIB (UK Air Accidents Investigation Board) would disagree with you ... :-) ...


36 posted on 03/27/2014 6:18:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
"...gave this aircraft a name. It is called 'Waldo'.

That is it's nickname, used by ground personnel.

However, it's christened name, used by management, is 'Carmen SanDiego'.

37 posted on 03/27/2014 6:19:16 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: VerySadAmerican

No.

38 posted on 03/27/2014 6:19:28 PM PDT by Obama_Is_A_Feminist
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To: diogenes ghost

Yes, you are correct, sir!


39 posted on 03/27/2014 6:24:24 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian ( I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: Slyfox

40 posted on 03/27/2014 6:24:48 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Dallas59

LOL - Love it!!


41 posted on 03/27/2014 6:42:18 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The only place you currently see "boffin" actually used:


42 posted on 03/27/2014 6:42:49 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: Star Traveler
In addition, I haven’t ever seen it reported that it’s even possible to turn it off.

I found something similar if someone gets into the circuit breakers.

"But the investigation of a 1997 SilkAir flight that crashed in Sumatra, Indonesia, killing 104 people, suggests that scenario is possible. On the SilkAir flight, the cockpit voice recorder stopped working. Investigators suspected, but were unable to confirm, that the circuit breaker for the cockpit voice recorder had been pulled, disabling the device. The official Indonesian accident report never determined the official cause of the accident. But the NTSB concluded in its own report that the crash was the result of one pilot’s suicide." http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140315-malaysian-airlines-flight-370-investigation-plane-crashes

43 posted on 03/27/2014 6:43:56 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Star Traveler

They are now moving the search area 685 miles North East...


44 posted on 03/27/2014 6:44:41 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Star Traveler

They are looking in a different area now based upon a revised fuel burn ratio, more north easterly.


45 posted on 03/27/2014 6:48:38 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Star Traveler

Why does a “scientist” or “professor” need to be involved where anyone with a pair of eyes and discerning mind can do as well or likely betteras he does not carry the ego load.


46 posted on 03/27/2014 6:55:37 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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This is all speculation.This “wreckage” could be anything. There is stuff falling of of merchant ships into the ocean everyday. Go look at some videos at “gcaptain.com” to see container ships breaking up, vehicles flying off decks in bad weather, ship collisions etc.

If the plane hit the water at terminal velocity or under power, the cabin would not have stayed intact. That would be a physical impossibility.

I have read where hitting the water at speed would be like crashing into a concrete wall. The plane would basically explode, as well as any bodies, and the tail would meet the nose at the point of impact in one third of a second.

Generally the pieces of wreckage will sink to the bottom.

The black box is near the tail, and it is made to withstand such impacts.

If this plane hit the ocean, our undersea sonic sound systems or our subs would have picked it up. The sound would have been akin to an explosion, underwater.

Also, anyone who says they know exactly where this plane hit is full of it. Everything we know so far that has not been denied or hedged by the authorities is still open to interpretation to some degree, and is based on certain straight line assumptions—assumptions which generally don;t hold true in the real world.

We have a network of satellites that can track anything in the air.

We know, Malaysia knows and China knows more about what happened then we or they are letting on.

I am amazed at how fast they are all trying to get this off the news.

And we are risking the lives of a lot of brave men, who are sent at in these horrible weather conditions to try to find any wreckage art all. Let’s hope we do not lose any other aircraft.


47 posted on 03/27/2014 7:05:53 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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MCINERNEY is BACK!!


48 posted on 03/27/2014 7:08:59 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue")
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I suppose if the pilot really wanted to hide the plane, and he was wanting to test himself he might have tried to land it smooth, and let it sink mostly intact...

It sure is a crazy mess of a story however it plays out..


49 posted on 03/27/2014 7:10:47 PM PDT by uncle fenders
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“We know all of that but that doesn’t tell anybody HOW it went down.”
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God only knows HOW or why it went down. It now seems most likely that the plane was hijacked, maybe even by one of the pilots. We can list only speculations about the plane as it is now. One is that the fuselage could still be largely intact if there was a controlled crash on land or sea.


50 posted on 03/27/2014 7:12:23 PM PDT by AlexW
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