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“Alright, Goodnight” – Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370?
SOFREP ^ | March 22 2014 | Sean Spoonts

Posted on 03/27/2014 2:51:33 PM PDT by BonRad

On March 8, a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER departed from Kuala Lumpur with 227 passengers and 12 crew members. It departed at 12:41am (1441 GMT), and was due in Beijing at 6:30am (2230 GMT) that same day. It hasn’t been seen since. This report attempts to debunk some of the theories about that disappearance and make a new assertion about what might have befallen the passengers and crew of that ill-fated flight. Flight MH 370.

Conspiracy theories don’t hold water because they ignore certain things that have to happen in conjunction with those events in order for them to be correct. What all the theories about the disappearance of this plane leave out are the important aircraft systems that would react (or try to) in any mishap involving the plane. Here are a few.

The Cabin Emergency Depressurization Oxygen System. The “Rubber Mask Jungle” drops if the cabin pressure drops below a certain level – typically at 14,000 feet. The pilots can deploy the system manually or leave it set on automatic. But the pilots cannot turn it off.

Conspiracy theories about shutting this off to kill the passengers fail to take the system design into account. That theory is also based on the claim that the plane climbed from 35k to 45k feet. Two problems with that claim. First, it exceeds the plane’s service ceiling by 3k and occurred in a few seconds on the recorded radar track that Flightradar.com has. An SR-71 can’t climb 10k feet in 5 seconds. This ascent occurred at the edge of the detection range of Kuala Lumpur’s ATC system. It is a radar anomaly. It didn’t happen.

The Emergency Landing Transponders. Depending on the model, the 777 has either 4 or 6 of these transponders located throughout the fuselage. They automatically turn on when they detect rapid deceleration of the aircraft due to a crash landing. The pilots can manually turn this system on to broadcast its signal prior to a crash or ditching at sea or leave it on automatic, but they cannot turn it off.

Conspiracy theories about a bomb going off and obliterating the plane so that all the ELBs are destroyed doesn’t account for the amount of explosives needed and their placement to hit them all at the same time. Musta been the same crew that packed 10,000 tons of explosives and ran a couple of thousand miles of det cord up and down the Twin Towers without anyone noticing anything.

Additionally, we have thermal imaging Sats looking at the South China Sea (Korean and Chinese missile launches?) and they would have detected that explosion. The route was heavily traveled by planes and ships. The explosion and the flaming debris raining down for as much as three minutes would have been visible. A lit cigarette on a ship is visible for 5 miles at night. How far do you think you could see 150 tons of flaming fuel and debris raining down from the sky?

ACARS (Aircraft Communications, Addressing and Reporting System): This functions as a kind of Telex system that allows the airline or airports to send voice or text messages to the plane and vice versa. It relies on Sat, VHF and HF broadcast frequencies to operate.

What’s important is that this system continues to ping a handshake to the plane and the plane responds to it even if the unit is turned off in the cockpit. Because this system sends its signals on VHF and HF frequencies that are located in land based towers, it could be used as a tracking system for the aircraft if people on the ground sent continuous message traffic to the plane.

They could see which VHF and HF towers got an acknowledgement response of those messages back from the plane and the relative signal strength to each and make some educated guesses about the location. They probably turned off the system for this reason.

The plane landed in Pakistan/Afghanistan… somewhere. This theory sounds great, as long as you forget certain facts, one technical, the other political. First, one doesn’t just plop a “Triple-7″ onto a dirt runway somewhere and cover it with palm fronds. It’s roughly the size of the Boeing 747 and weighs 330 tons fully loaded. Runways have to be long and specially built to handle the weight of planes in this classification.

Of particular importance is the way the landing gear is configured to distribute this weight upon landing. If the runway is not constructed with these loads in mind, the asphalt will collapse under the weight and the landing gear will plow through the substrate layers and likely throw tires and collapse…. (That means crash). So unless those arguing this theory have an actual runway in mind that they can point to with a Pavement Classification Number (PCN) that can handle the Aircraft Classification Number (ACN) of the 777, it’s not worth much in terms of speculation.

One theory floated in the media was that the plane had an electrical fire that instantly knocked out all the comms and transponders (not likely) and landed at an airfield in Malaysia up the coast with a PCN of 77, while the Triple-7s PCN was 89. Now, they might let you tear up a runway and an airliner in an emergency and land an ACN-79 on a PCN rated for nothing higher than a 77, but they won’t waiver you for a 12-point spread. That makes it for the season finale of “Air Disasters” on Smithsonian.

The political consideration is the more important one. For 30 years Pakistan has been nurturing relations with China to the point that they conduct joint military exercises on their shared border. MH 370 had some 155 Chinese nationals on board. And these were not peasants on vacation. They were business men, likely connected to the Communist Party in China by relations or by direct membership. Would it be in Pakistan’s interests to have any hand in the murder of those people? Would Pakistan benefit by having a belligerent India with 1.2 billion people on their SE border and a newly belligerent China with 1.3 billion on their NE border?

Other information that was skimmed over. Did a US Navy Submarine hear the plane impact the water off the Andaman Islands? On March 13th, Martha Raddatz, Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent for ABC News filed a story about the comms systems being shut down separately with this statement: “U.S. officials said earlier that they have an “indication” the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.” I believe this is one of the most credible pieces of information about the disappearance of this airliner to come from any source.

First, it went to the Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent from ABC News, not some stringer or foreign journalist. It’s probably a cultivated source of hers. Second, the source is carefully masked as a generic “US Official” which generally means a military source who doesn’t want to be identified for leaking information. Third is the word “indication” without elaboration except to tie it directly to the plane crashing into the sea. I’ve seen information obtained from submarines disclosed in this kind of obscure way before in the media. I think a USN Sub on patrol off Malaysia, perhaps transiting to the Persian Gulf, may have heard the airplane hit the water.

Here is what may have transpired. A sub’s passive sonar station is constantly manned night and day. It consists of a series of arrays of hydrophones that run along the hull on both sides and a computer that can analyze the sounds the sub hears and help classify them for the combat information center on the sub.

This computer can also determine a line of bearing on the contact and estimate the range (and even the depth if submerged) by comparing the sound signatures between hydrophones as they run along the hull. Its accuracy in predicting range decreases depending upon the distance of the sound source and other factors like temperature, depth, salinity and the thermocline layers that these factors combine to create.

A 330 ton airliner hitting the water at 500-600 kts. would sound like a gigantic explosion underwater. And I mean gigantic, roughly 4,500 lbs of TNT going off and exerting a force of 20,000 psi on the water at the impact area. This would result in a giant over-pressure condition in the water that would emanate out as a shock wave (in contrast, the big depth charge explosions in WWII movies were only 300lb charges). It would have a huge sound signature that would travel tens, if not hundreds, of miles, depending upon conditions.

If the sonar operator heard such a sound, they would give it a contact number and log it. At intervals during the day and night, the submarine un-spools an ultra-high frequency antenna buoy and transmits a micro-burst of radio energy to a Sat, which gives the subs position, course, heading, crew emails and various situation reports that would include contacts of interest or unusual occurrences that they think they should phone in. A large underwater explosion would probably qualify as an unusual occurrence.

Raddatz’s report does not say what time that indication was obtained, which further suggests a submarine provided the information. Tell the time and place you heard the noise and you’ve got a good idea of that sub’s position. We can assume from the time the ACARS pings were being logged that this would have been early daylight of March 8th. That “indication” was considered so credible that the Navy diverted the USS Kidd to the area at high speed to investigate an area that was probably more narrowed down for it by the Pentagon. Unfortunately the connection between that underwater explosion and the missing airliner was not made by the Pentagon until the 11th or 12th, by which time the debris field would have dispersed considerably if any floating debris even existed.

There were also reports from China of a seismic event along the flight path of MH 370, but that occurred at 0255 hrs, when we know the plane was still flying because the ACARS sat was still getting a handshake signal from the plane. The Chinese have since withdrawn this event as being not related to the incident.

Not the debris we are looking for. The floating debris (described as white-ish) sited in the Great Southern Ocean 1,500 miles SW of Perth is probably not related to the crash. A check of the winds and currents in that area show that they are pushing NNW towards Australia rather than away from it. If you tracked that debris back three to four days on that wind and wave course, it would be a lot closer to Antarctica than the Andaman Islands.

One of the pieces was estimated to be some 80 feet long. The wingspan of a 777 is just over 199 feet. That size implies an entire intact wing survived a ditching at sea. A couple of facts are counter intuitive to that possibility. First, the Great Southern Ocean is a very inhospitable place, prone to storms and 40 foot waves. A ditching at sea in those conditions would not leave an entire wing in one piece. Secondly, the slow deceleration of that ditching would have automatically activated the 777′s Emergency Landing Transponders (ELBs), which broadcast on HF many hundreds of miles. And we are informed that none of those ELBs ever activated (this becomes important later). This debris might just a be a big chunk of ice.

The Malaysians are not incompetent, they are withholding information or misleading the public with conflicting reports, changing timelines, etc.

We now know that the Malaysian authorities have revised the time line over and over because new evidence keeps contradicting their claims. Much like the scandals in Benghazi, the IRS, and Fast and Furious here in the US, the Malaysians release small pieces of incorrect data, get everyone arguing over what it means, and then release another piece of data that contradicts it. As an example: The initial claim was that the ACARS and flight data transponders were turned off after the co-pilot said “Alright goodnight” to air traffic controllers handing them off to Ho Chi Minh City ATC. This supported the supposition that hijackers took over the plane. Now we know these systems were turned off just before that transmission was made.

Malaysian authorities claimed the plane took a hard right turn and climbed steeply, and then took up a new heading to the West. We now know that the Flight Management System altered that course (at the command of the flight crew) within 20 minutes of takeoff. The plane made a slow turn heading to the West that took it up to Southern Thailand in a large arc.

The Malaysian authorities have all the flight data information and probably more coming from other sources. I’m pretty sure that the plane was transmitting Health Management System Information on that plane back to Boeing, even if the Malaysians weren’t subscribing to that service. Rolls Royce also has pretty complete data on what those engines were doing, including power settings, altitude, rpms and fuel state til shutdown.

The Malaysians are withholding that data and misleading the public on purpose. To date, no one has asked Boeing about what information they might have, or whether Rolls Royce will release their data outside of Malaysian government control.

Does the majority Muslim government fear reigniting sectarian violence if it is disclosed that the Muslim pilots were responsible for the crash?

Malaysia has a long history of sectarian violence.

Malaysia’s ethnic makeup is 60% Malay Muslim, with the rest consisting of ethnic Chinese, Indians and members of indigenous tribes. Faiths include Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism and animism. The majority Christian faith is Catholic, numbering about 650,000, about 3% of the population.

In spite of this ethnic mix, a political form of Islam is the growing force in the country, and there are two sets of laws – one for Muslims, the other for everyone else. The results are predictable. • In 1950, a court decided that a child raised as a Muslim ought to be returned to her Catholic parents. The riots that ensued left 18 de ad, nearly 200 injured and extensive property damage. • In July 1964, a Muslim demonstration celebrating Muhammad’s birthday turned into several days of bloody riots – 23 dead and nearly 500 injured, cars and shops burned and troops restored order. • A few months later a dead Muslim turned up in a pull taxi. Believing Chinese Malays were to blame another riot broke out. 13 killed and over 100 injured. • More recently, in December 2009 the Malaysian high court handed down a decision that allowed non-Muslims to use the word “Allah” in their written publications (I know). Since that time, 10 Christian churches, two mosques and a Sikh temple have been vandalized or firebombed.

Within this Muslim majority, led by the Islamist Party UMNO, is a more moderate, free market democratic faction of Muslims called the PKR, or People’s Justice Party, which forms an opposition coalition including Malaysian, other ethnic and religious minorities. Its leading politician is Anwar Ibrahim. Ibrahim was recently convicted of homosexual sodomy and sentenced to 5 years in what his supporters are calling a politically motivated prosecution.

At first, Ibrahim denied he knew or recognized the name of MH 370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, but on March 18, he admitted that he not only knew his name, but that Capt. Shah was a relative of his son in-law and had met him several times. Cpt. Shah was also politically active and a close friend of PKR Supreme Council Member and Subang MP, R. Sivarasa.

Shah’s YouTube channel was set up in April 2010 and features videos related to atheism and rationalism. He also linked The God Delusion documentary with atheist Richard Dawkins. Shah subscribed to the Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason channel, as well. Shah may not have been a Muslim at all, but an atheist. Shah’s wife and three children moved out of the home the day before the flight disappeared. On the day of his final flight, Shah attended the sentencing hearing of Ibrahim and was said to be deeply upset about the verdict. Moments before takeoff, Shah made a phone call on his cell phone that authorities are trying to track back to the person he called.

So, What Do I Think Happened?

I think that Captain Shah and his co-pilot, First Officer Fariq Ab Hamid, conspired together to take the plane and passengers hostage in order to force the Malaysian Government to set aside the conviction of PKR opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim. It is fair to say that they worked together based on the following facts. First, air traffic controllers described the interactions with the flight crew as routine and normal. We know that this routine interaction was occurring even as the flight began to deviate from its approved flight plan about 20 minutes after takeoff. This deviation was the result of an alternate flight plan being executed by the Flight Management System computer.

The air traffic controllers say they are certain that the voice saying “Alright, good night” was the voice of First Officer Hamid, and not Captain Shah. This is significant because normal procedure would have the non-flying pilot communicating with the tower and operating the Flight Management System – that would be the First Officer.

Also significant is that any deviation from the filed flight plan would include an immediate notification by the flight crew to ATC of that change and the reason for it. The plane began to deviate from that flight plan after 20 minutes in flight without such notice to Kuala Lumpur ATC. And we have no report that this deviation was reported by the flight crew, or even noticed by KL ATC.

Next, when the plane reached the limits of Kuala Lumpur’s ATC radar coverage, its Flight Data Transponder was turned off. This occurred two minutes after KL ATC handed the flight off to Ho Chi Minh ATC. There is a report that HCM ATC noticed after 3 minutes or so that the plane did not make contact with them, and would have reported that to KL ATC.

What should have happened next is that KL ATC should have noticed that the Flight Data Transponder had been turned off. They would have tried to raise MH 370 by radio, tell them that their transponder was off, to switch to their alternate and ask why they did not contact HCM ATC. If they received no answer, they would have contacted another plane in the area and asked them to try to reach the MH 370 on their own radio. This is standard operating procedure, and yet there is no report of this happening.

There is a report that another plane heard what they believed was mumbling on an open mike that is being attributed to MH 370, but there is no way to confirm this. Until the Malaysian authorities release the transcripts of the full and complete conversation between MH 370 and KL ATC, and disclose their actions upon learning the plane never made contact with HCM ATC, we aren’t going to know.

I think the gentle turn to the NNW up to Thailand was done to not disturb the passengers, who would not have noticed the slow turn and were probably asleep for the most part on this red-eye to Beijing. In the dark, and over water, anyone still awake would have been looking out into inky blackness. If the plane had an inflight entertainment system which included a video map of the plane’s flight progress, this would have been shut off by the pilots, perhaps reporting to the passengers that it was broken.

I think this may explain why no one made a call, text or tweet saying they had been hijacked. They didn’t know anything was wrong.

As the plane flew into the Gulf of Thailand, I think it made a programmed gradual descent down below 5,000 feet and the pilot throttled it back to about 250 kts. On radar it would have looked like a small private plan or inter island cargo plane and would not have attracted much notice from Thailand, which paid it no notice apparently, or the Malaysian military, which also didn’t notice it until it was told to look for it days later.

Again, at night and over water, the passengers would not have noticed a gradual descent and slowing of the plane. Shah was an experienced pilot. He probably knew how to exploit the gaps in radar coverage to avoid being noticed. The plane then crossed the Isthmus of Thailand at its narrowest and crossed a sparsely populated Myanmar on its way West and proceeded out over the Andaman Sea.

I think Shah then placed the plane in a circling turn out over the water 200-300 miles out and made his demands known to the Malaysian authorities: Vacate the verdict against Ibrahim or I will dive this plane into the water. If successful, Shah might have planned to return to Kuala Lumpur, or to land in Australia and ask for political asylum, hoping the circumstance mitigated him being charged with air piracy and hijacking. Shah would have left himself enough time and fuel to get back to one of these destinations safely.

Let us assume the Malaysian authorities, relieved that they were not dealing with a real terrorist, called Shah’s bluff or made promises Shah did not believe would be carried out. The deadline would have been before sunrise so the passengers would not realize they were still over water and not China. Shah and his co-pilot probably discussed this possibility.

They may have flown about for another hour or two in dawn hours before finally deciding to open the throttles, point the plane at the deck at a steep dive angle and crash it into the ocean. The plane would have accelerated quickly in the few seconds it took to reach the water. The impact, as stated above, would exert about 20,000 pounds per square inch on the airliner as it struck the water.

MH 370 was made of light but strong materials – aluminium and carbon fiber. They aren’t built to withstand such pressures. Any materials strong enough not to be obliterated in the impact would sink. The debris that remained would be very small. Water is incompressible. At 500-600 kts and 330 tons, the plane packed enormous inertia. It would be like hitting concrete. Here is what happened to an F4 Phantom (which has much less inertia behind it) when it was sledded into a concrete wall at 500 mph:

The wingtips survived because they were past the edge of the wall. [crash test video embedded]

Because of the speed of the impact (about 700 feet per second) when it hit the water, the nose of the 200 foot airliner would have met the tail in just under 1/3 of a second. That would not be enough time for the deceleration sensors in the Emergency Landing Beacons to transmit an automatic distress signal. For the passengers, there would have been no pain, not even time to feel the crash. A merciful death.

For the Malaysian authorities this would be a political disaster. Malaysian Airlines is state-owned. If they botched the negotiations with Shah, they would own a big part of the blame for that. If it’s true that the charges against PKR leader Ibrahim are trumped up, it’s even worse for the UMNO-led government, which is struggling to maintain power. The dead Chinese citizens on board are also a big problem for the government.

Again, they were business men, not peasants on vacation. China is not going to be happy with an Islamist government’s railroading an opposition leader and getting Chinese nationals killed in the aftermath. A full disclosure from the government that this hijacking was a political act intended to secure the release of a wrongly convicted opposition leader could reignite sectarian violence in the country and topple the majority government. When you look at the Malaysian government’s parsing of information, or the outright falseness of it at times, I can’t help but conclude that their government may not want to ever disclose what really happened.

Disclaimer – I don’t pretend to be an airline pilot, crash investigator or anything else. What I did do is read every story on the subject I could find critically, noticed inconsistencies between the various sources reporting, and start asking questions about those things to people I know who are smarter than me – an engineer, a rocket scientist, an active flight engineer and an airline pilot.

I’ve linked to the sources I used in this piece. Other sources are more nerdy, like reading about the systems on the aircraft and how they should have reacted to a crash in conversations with live sources. More information may come to light that contradicts my theory. If so, I shall be happy to abandon it to the facts as they become known. (Featured Image Courtesy: ExtremeTech.com)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: mh370
just ran into it a short time ago but rings true after quick read (hat tip barnhardt.biz). Dinner bell rang & not sure I'm going to tend to this for a while but here goes...
1 posted on 03/27/2014 2:51:33 PM PDT by BonRad
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To: BonRad

sr-71 issue.

just under 2 miles in 5 seconds? it could do it horizontally easily in 5 seconds as that is only mach 2+. don’t know if it could do it near vertical in 5 seconds. suppose starting altitude and starting speed makes a difference too.


2 posted on 03/27/2014 3:03:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

As the guy on Fox News noted, you don’t have to go to 40k+ to kill the passengers. If they could depressurize the cabin, 35k would have been enough.

Unless they went for ... overkill.


3 posted on 03/27/2014 3:04:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

well this jet can’t go from 35k ft to 45k ft in ten seconds. there’s something up with the data there.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 3:06:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think Malaysia Airlines is hiding a few things. What, exactly, I don’t know. They have never come off as being full disclosure to me since this thing began.

Or I should say, they likely know more than they’re telling.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 3:08:13 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: BonRad

What’s fer dinner?


6 posted on 03/27/2014 3:12:38 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: BonRad

Seems like the most reasonable theory so far...


7 posted on 03/27/2014 3:12:56 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: BonRad

MH370: Families Called to Urgent Meeting; Malaysia Press Conference 10 a.m. EDT 3/24/14
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136667/posts

MALAYSIAN AUTHORITIES: The Plane Crashed With No Survivors
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136697/posts

Malaysia Grand Prix pushes grieving families of jet passengers from hotel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136731/posts

Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane “Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136711/posts

WORLD NEWS Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Ended in Indian Ocean, Prime Minister Says
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136787/posts

How British satellite company Inmarsat tracked down MH370
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136789/posts

Aussie Flight Disaster Film ‘Deep Water’ Shelved Over Eerie Resemblance to Missing Malaysia Flight
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3136793/posts

Malaysia Airlines crash: Suicide mission theory of MH370 investigators
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136904/posts

Flight 370: Storm of emotions over lives “lost” as storm at sea delays search
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137006/posts

How a UK firm ... used a nineteenth century mathematical model to track missing flight MH370
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3137015/posts

Why locating MH370 in the Southern Ocean is so difficult
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3137062/posts

Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane: What We Know Now
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137157/posts

Tracking down MH370 black boxes a Herculean challenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137374/posts

MH370 pilot upset over wife’s decision to move out and in ‘no state of mind to be flying’ ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3137360/posts

MH370: Satellite Images Show Up to 122 ‘Potential Objects’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137462/posts

‘It was his last joyride’: MH370 pilot was upset over wife moving
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137489/posts

Watch Video: 122 objects discovered in Flight 370 search area
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137501/posts

Satellite Detects About 300 Objects ... ‘Highly Likely That It Is Trash’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137879/posts

‘No one would ever find it’: MH370’s erratic final moments ... a terrifying suicide mission....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3137884/posts

Son of Malaysian Airlines captain breaks silence about father
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3138066/posts

Malaysia says there’s sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3138106/posts

Why did somebody doctor photo of men who took Flight MH370? (Shortened Title)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3138114/posts


8 posted on 03/27/2014 3:18:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: BonRad

Already posted but it is still a good read and worth reading again:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137060/posts


9 posted on 03/27/2014 3:18:48 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: BonRad

The author needs to update this article to add his views of the Inmarsat satellite Doppler signal analysis that concluded that the flight ended in the South Indian Ocean.


10 posted on 03/27/2014 3:19:32 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Secret Agent Man

There is a great disturbance in the Force....

The Dark Side appears to have emerged victorious.


11 posted on 03/27/2014 3:22:21 PM PDT by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: BonRad

Really nothing but presumptions, ignorance, and propaganda.

This much straw presents a fire hazard.


12 posted on 03/27/2014 3:25:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Chainmail

‘Bout as reasonable as global warming, and almost as scientific.


13 posted on 03/27/2014 3:28:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BonRad

How long before CNN and Wolf Blitzkrieg start harping on this?

BTW it is a very well thought out predictive theory, the main issue of course is the actual crash location.

I do believe all that garbage they are seeing by satellite is indeed just that, garbage, a vortex of cumulative garbage.

And I think they know its garbage, but as long as they can play this out longer and longer the more likely the situation will fade off into the shadows of history.


14 posted on 03/27/2014 3:29:21 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Spartan302

I agree, the garbage is garbage.

I’m not happy with the South India Ocean theory at all. If the pilot wanted to dump the plane, he could have dumped it anywhere — why wait so long?

And then, of course, Somalia is directly east of Kuala Lumpur. And other unfriendly countries who’d love to have a 777 are well within range.

And yes, I’m getting bored with this. But will continue to follow any “news.”


15 posted on 03/27/2014 3:36:33 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Already posted but it is still a good read and worth reading again:”

thanks- thought it would have to have been, but I’m a goof w/ keyword searches on this site as I typed in “Alright” and got nothing before March 21.


16 posted on 03/27/2014 3:38:03 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Mom did hamburger, potatoes and canned mixed veggies. Yeah I live in basement and would have pajamas on most days if it wasn’t so cold.

Thanks for asking. Went down well.

Suppose it was my way of saying I’m average Joe on this...average Joe that listens to talk radio half the day and watched O’Reilly, Kelley and Hannity 3-4-5 times a week while on net all other times I can...or during the above intake.


17 posted on 03/27/2014 3:44:14 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Veto!

I also have had this feeling the real location, the real reasons, and the real data has been suppressed because of the recent Nuclear Summit.Possibly also because Islamic chatter boards had some planned agenda to occur on the 24th and that this event may or may not have been connected to that but the consensus of most of the countries involved was to go ahead and do the snipe hunt and do whatever it takes to keep this from being an AQ propaganda event.

Propaganda success for AQ. So far they have not said a word, usually they will even if they had no direct hand in it just to stir up their cooking pot. Which begs the question, why are they so silent?


18 posted on 03/27/2014 3:46:29 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: editor-surveyor

OK, sure. So what are your objections?
Or are you just an expert?


19 posted on 03/27/2014 3:46:37 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: BonRad

I figger Malaysia doesn’t want to find the plane because when it is found they will be responsible for paying the surviving family members $239 million (mostly Chinese).


20 posted on 03/27/2014 3:50:36 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: BonRad

The Malaysian government has known exactly what happened since about 8 hours after the last contact. They’ve been lying through their teeth about it ever since.


21 posted on 03/27/2014 3:54:35 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: batterycommander

way more at stake if there are bungled negotiations
involved. it explains the shift in course from a short flight too.


22 posted on 03/27/2014 3:59:50 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: batterycommander

A suit has already been filed against the airline and Boeing. By an individual.


23 posted on 03/27/2014 4:00:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: BonRad

Good read. Had to go through it several times but it’s a good analysis.


24 posted on 03/27/2014 4:15:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: BonRad

MUSLIMS...’nuff said.


25 posted on 03/27/2014 4:26:52 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: BonRad

So both pilots were non-jihadist mass murders for an opposition leader the co-pilot had absolutely no connection to. This might be the most half-assed theory yet.

Hard to believe Barnhardt linked this article.


26 posted on 03/27/2014 4:30:44 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: Truth29

If that story is truthful and not part of the overall hoax that overshadows this whole affair.

We have entered the era of deception and swindle — that’s why we have birthers whose questions have never been answered.

Stonewall is the name of the game.


27 posted on 03/27/2014 4:30:58 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Dick Vomer

Yup.

But PC will prevent governments (especially Muslim) to admit to the truth and non-Muslim governments will be too timid to demand full disclosure.


28 posted on 03/27/2014 4:38:07 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: BonRad

To me there are a couple holes in this theory till someone can fill them in...

The pilot had no communication with Malaysia to know if the the Malaysian gov’t would have released the prisoner or not...

Even had they released the prisoner they would have recaptured him when the plane returned and arrested the Captain of the airplane...I hafta think the pilot would know that...

No evidence that the co-pilot was involved in the alleged politics of the prisoner...To go along with a hi-jacking and then a suicide mission without a better motive would be quite remarkable for the theory stated...


29 posted on 03/27/2014 4:39:41 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: BonRad

I think Capt. Shah made arrangements with Iran in advance to land the plane on one of their landing strips. Iran being a nation with 90 to 95% Shite Muslims would be receptive to Capt. Shah was a supporter of the People’s Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) led by Anwar Ibrahim. I think the PKR was soliciting the support of the Shites in Malaysia as well as support from Iran. Thus, fly the plane to Iran and make the ransom demands there with Iran’s protection.

The reason we do not hear about this scenario is that it is very embarrassing to the Malaysian party in power which won by a small margin in the last election. The Islamist Party UMNO, wants to keep the negotiations very quiet. If something goes wrong, their hold on power would be history. And, the hijackers (or pirates if you see them that way) do not want their location known because they do not want a paramilitary strike coming after them.

From Iran, Capt. Shah can demand release of Anwar Ibrahim’s prison term for homosexual behavior, get billions in ransom money in exchange for the passengers and crew and provide the PKR with money to run a strong campaign against the ruling party. Iran wins by getting a 777—a cheap WMD delivery vehicle to be flown by their modern day kamikaze pilots. They also win by giving the Shites a bigger influence in Malaysia and it would be a first step for political control by Iran of Malaysia.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 4:45:26 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I’m reading this, lad. All news to me as I’m not a real buff but there is a relation:

Within this Muslim majority, led by the Islamist Party UMNO, is a more moderate, free market democratic faction of Muslims called the PKR, or People’s Justice Party, which forms an opposition coalition including Malaysian, other ethnic and religious minorities. Its leading politician is Anwar Ibrahim. Ibrahim was recently convicted of homosexual sodomy and sentenced to 5 years in what his supporters are calling a politically motivated prosecution.

At first, Ibrahim denied he knew or recognized the name of MH 370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, but on March 18, he admitted that he not only knew his name, but that Capt. Shah was a relative of his son in-law and had met him several times. Cpt. Shah was also politically active and a close friend of PKR Supreme Council Member and Subang MP, R. Sivarasa.

Shah’s YouTube channel was set up in April 2010 and features videos related to atheism and rationalism. He also linked The God Delusion documentary with atheist Richard Dawkins. Shah subscribed to the Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason channel, as well. Shah may not have been a Muslim at all, but an atheist.

Shah’s wife and three children moved out of the home the day before the flight disappeared. On the day of his final flight, Shah attended the sentencing hearing of Ibrahim and was said to be deeply upset about the verdict. Moments before takeoff, Shah made a phone call on his cell phone that authorities are trying to track back to the person he called.


31 posted on 03/27/2014 4:46:30 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: BonRad

Shah is the captain. Hamid is the co-pilot with no known connection to Ibrahim.

There’s no logical reason to believe the co-pilot signed on for a mass murder/suicide mission on behalf of an opposition leader he’s never voiced a word of public support for. Why the author (and Ann Barnhardt) would look past the obvious islamist angle in favor of this theory is baffling to me.


32 posted on 03/27/2014 4:54:59 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: Iscool

try your contention pilot couldn’t have communicated back to Malaysia with what looks to be real experts over on the other thread (per post 9 per Uncle Chip)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137060/posts

Assuming passengers dead (now how do we do that since we don’t know demand negotiations timing?) could he have returned to threaten to crash plane into key place w/o getting shot down? Just tossing it out there. Passengers would have to be alive for hostage demands.

What’s this about gold on the plane? I really can’t dig into this incredible mystery as many have.

I want to watch the Blackhawks (0)- Bruins (ONE!). Announcer said many citizens with great tickets walked into firehouses and gave the guys tickets to give them a break from mourning.

That’s class.


33 posted on 03/27/2014 4:58:49 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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Bfl


34 posted on 03/27/2014 5:08:33 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: alloysteel

I disagree - I smell a Dark Side screwup. Where was Hillary when this happened?


35 posted on 03/27/2014 5:36:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: hoosiermama

Bfl-

I took a look at one of those net jargon sites that didn’t have this.

how u? (u is short for “you”).


36 posted on 03/27/2014 5:45:08 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: BonRad

Bump for Later
Cause I was too busy to read it now

Lol
We are fine. Most of the time


37 posted on 03/27/2014 5:51:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

On CNN this evening there was a mention of authorities not knowing for sure if someone was in the jump seat. It was both odd and hysterical. Typical CNN


38 posted on 03/27/2014 8:51:18 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Spartan302

And still another “credible lead” puts jet in ocean 700 miles from site being searched:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/28/credible-lead-shifts-jet-search-area/?intcmp=latestnews

Not even worth its own thread, imho.

In fact, it might be useful to have ONE master thread about the disappearing 777 so we can all keep up with the alleged news/obfuscation reports.

It’s midnight and I’m tired and don’t actually know the best way to create such a master thread. Do you?


39 posted on 03/28/2014 12:06:43 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: BonRad; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

40 posted on 03/28/2014 7:47:07 AM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: null and void; Old Sarge; shibumi; OwenKellogg; boxlunch; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; brucecw; ...
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Pinging TM, too.

“Alright, Goodnight” – Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370?

Within this Muslim majority, led by the Islamist Party UMNO, is a more moderate, free market democratic faction of Muslims called the PKR, or People’s Justice Party, which forms an opposition coalition including Malaysian, other ethnic and religious minorities. Its leading politician is Anwar Ibrahim. Ibrahim was recently convicted of homosexual sodomy and sentenced to 5 years in what his supporters are calling a politically motivated prosecution..

At first, Ibrahim denied he knew or recognized the name of MH 370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, but on March 18, he admitted that he not only knew his name, but that Capt. Shah was a relative of his son in-law and had met him several times. Cpt. Shah was also politically active and a close friend of PKR Supreme Council Member and Subang MP, R. Sivarasa.

Shah’s YouTube channel was set up in April 2010 and features videos related to atheism and rationalism. He also linked The God Delusion documentary with atheist Richard Dawkins. Shah subscribed to the Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason channel, as well. Shah may not have been a Muslim at all, but an atheist.

Shah’s wife and three children moved out of the home the day before the flight disappeared. On the day of his final flight, Shah attended the sentencing hearing of Ibrahim and was said to be deeply upset about the verdict. Moments before takeoff, Shah made a phone call on his cell phone that authorities are trying to track back to the person he called.

Then, this article:

Malaysia says there’s sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3138106/posts

.

41 posted on 03/28/2014 11:10:08 AM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: null and void

This writer rales against conspiracy theories and then promptly offers his own.

IF we ever find debris and the black boxes MAYBE we will find something out


42 posted on 03/28/2014 11:26:38 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: LucyT; null and void; Old Sarge; shibumi; OwenKellogg; boxlunch; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; ...

Records sealed is like ALL Barry’s records sealed covering them up from being a criminal illegal alien and usurper!

Because as Eric Rush says, CIA made 370 into a remote control drone operation steering and landed it safely at Diego Garcia AFB in the Indian Ocean so they could apprehend the tech geezers and “questioning” them, maybe water boarding!!

Similar sealing records of the victims may still be alive somewhere!!!


43 posted on 03/28/2014 4:17:19 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Chainmail

My objection is that it is a dog-and-pony media show, with no connection to reality.
.


44 posted on 03/30/2014 4:33:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: LucyT; null and void; Old Sarge; shibumi; OwenKellogg; boxlunch; Michael Barnes; Mossad1967; ...

The missing Malaysian flight 370 becomes more and more intriguing as we are speaking and watching, and lied to through their teeth of embarrassment thinking we are total stupid, because they CANNOT trace this air craft’s course or finding wreckage & oil slicks. They were able to find the crash site and wreckage very soon after the Air France plane ditched 3 hours flight out in the open Atlantic. Check ALL the blue links and you will be totally astounded!!!...>>>... http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked.../


45 posted on 03/31/2014 7:01:49 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

More information from outside the U.S. where it seems it fallen off the radar screen!!!

http://intellihub.com/governments-intentionally-misleading-us-missing-flight-family-member-says-bbc/


46 posted on 03/31/2014 7:21:28 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

ohmy

How reputable is the source?


47 posted on 03/31/2014 7:28:58 PM PDT by null and void ( Everything evil in the world may not be Islamic but everything Islamic is evil.)
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To: BonRad
Does the majority Muslim government fear reigniting sectarian violence if it is disclosed that the Muslim pilots were responsible for the crash?

Fear? They are going for broke! It will be a badge of honor to have killed infidels by the dozen.

Malays are muzzie scum and should not be accorded any amount of respect.......ever.

48 posted on 03/31/2014 7:33:51 PM PDT by stboz
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To: null and void

Check it out yourself and see the interview on BBC!

Benghazi-Gate, IRS, NSA!!

Here’s another “goodies”!!!

We are constantly being screwed and lied to! The Malaysian plane, Killary Clinton, Commander Price, Hawaiian crash with Fuddy!! On and on it goes!!!...>>>... http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/.../what-really-happened.../

What really happened to Hilary Clinton and US Navy Seal Commander Job W. Price? (republished &...
jhaines6.wordpress.com

Eyre International – Bringing You The News No One Else Wants To Bring You The Hidden Truth Behind The News Hillary Clinton was “Hell bent on going to war with Iran” but was there some other secret ...


49 posted on 03/31/2014 7:51:15 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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