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Whose Side are you On? If you donít care whether Republicans win, care that Democrats lose.
National Review ^ | 3/29/2014 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 03/29/2014 8:02:51 AM PDT by shuck and yall

March 29, 2014 4:00 AM Which Side Are You On? If you don’t care whether Republicans win, care that Democrats lose.

By Kevin D. Williamson

For conservatives, the story of the Obama years has been the depressing spectacle of Republicans fighting a rearguard action covering their retreat from a Democratic agenda backed by superior numbers. Republicans began the Obama administration with effectively no leverage: Barack Obama in the White House, Nancy Pelosi in the speaker’s chair, and Harry Reid running the Senate. The outcome of that was the enactment of the Affordable Care Act, the worst domestic defeat for the cause of limited government in a generation. The 2010 congressional elections gave Republicans some relief... .

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1 posted on 03/29/2014 8:02:51 AM PDT by shuck and yall
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To: shuck and yall

Save Your Country , Fire A Democrat


2 posted on 03/29/2014 8:05:33 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: shuck and yall

Until I hear, “we will gut all the agencies, root out the treasonists and null and void all that came across this cretans desk”, thats the side im on


3 posted on 03/29/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Im missing a jumbo jet with 235 passengers has anyone seen it?)
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To: shuck and yall

democrats love and trust government and democrats trust the news media.

Every democrat congressman or politician voted for Obamacare

every democrat is a socialist/marxist/collectivist who believes an individual has no rights even to own a gun nor property

every democrat is a threat to your freedom and ability to survive.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 8:06:45 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: shuck and yall

What was Einstein’s definition of insanity again?!?

When the Rs promise then renege, why should conservatives support those same (moderate/liberal) R politicians that refuse to act conservatively?

Because the Rs will only set the oven to broil, as opposed to incinerate?


6 posted on 03/29/2014 8:07:05 AM PDT by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: shuck and yall
John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have felt the wrath of the Right for spending too much time playing defense, but voters — including conservative voters — left them with little opportunity to do much of anything else.

Not true. They could have led.

These articles blaming conservatives for our sorry state are flying thick and fast. And each one makes me despise the GOPe more.

7 posted on 03/29/2014 8:07:12 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: shuck and yall

Well, Gee...why don’t you just dredge up one of Sowell’s recent “we gotta elect RINOs” columns? Same thing.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 8:07:18 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: ronnie raygun

Amen.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 8:08:23 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: shuck and yall

This socialist , marxist traitor Obama has one goal : the destruction of America, the destruction of all individual rights, the destruction of freedom and right to own any property , namely full world socialism/collectivism.

The fundamental political conflict in America today is, as it has been for a century, individualism vs. collectivism. Does the individual’s life belong to him—or does it belong to the group, the community, society, or the state? if it belongs to the state then the individual has no right to own guns nor even property or a house.

there are 2 groups of people conservative and liberals. democrats and republicans. but really it’s a battle between individualism vs collectivism. I’m telling you all every single democrat is a collectivist and they are driving us to a state where an individual will not even be allowed to own a house nor property much less guns. but it’s the same principle : private ownership.

democrats/liberals/progressives or whatever they call themselves are just collectivists which = also marxists/socialists/communists

Individualism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs to him and that he has an inalienable right to live it as he sees fit, to act on his own judgment, to keep and use the product of his effort, and to pursue the values of his choosing. It’s the idea that the individual is sovereign, an end in himself, and the fundamental unit of moral concern. This is the ideal that the American Founders set forth and sought to establish when they drafted the Declaration and the Constitution and created a country in which the individual’s rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness were to be recognized and protected.

Collectivism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs not to him but to the group or society of which he is merely a part, that he has no rights, and that he must sacrifice his values and goals for the group’s “greater good.” According to collectivism, the group or society is the basic unit of moral concern, and the individual is of value only insofar as he serves the group. As one advocate of this idea puts it: “Man has no rights except those which society permits him to enjoy. From the day of his birth until the day of his death society allows him to enjoy certain so-called rights and deprives him of others; not . . . because society desires especially to favor or oppress the individual, but because its own preservation, welfare, and happiness are the prime considerations.”1

Individualism or collectivism—which of these ideas is correct? Which has the facts on its side?

Individualism does, and we can see this at every level of philosophic inquiry: from metaphysics, the branch of philosophy concerned with the fundamental nature of reality; to epistemology, the branch concerned with the nature and means of knowledge; to ethics, the branch concerned with the nature of value and proper human action; to politics, the branch concerned with a proper social system.

http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2012-spring/individualism-collectivism.asp

democrats are pure unadulterated evil

democrats love and trust government and democrats trust the news media.

Every democrat congressman or politician voted for Obamacare

every democrat is a socialist/marxist/collectivist who believes an individual has no rights even to own a gun nor property

every democrat is a threat to your freedom and ability to survive.


10 posted on 03/29/2014 8:10:24 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: ronnie raygun

Nothing the GOPe would love more than for conservative voters to become a bunch of mind numbed robots like democrat voters.

The democrats have effectively informed their voters that Hillary will be their candidate and democrats have simply gone along and accepted it. Completely devoid of free will.


11 posted on 03/29/2014 8:11:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shuck and yall; All
--it's again time to remind everyone of the words of Ronald Reagan-

-"when you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--

12 posted on 03/29/2014 8:11:37 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: shuck and yall

Sorry, NR, you have become establishment hacks since WFB died. GOP leaders have become worthless. Many would go the route of Specter and Jeffords if they lived in other states. Look at John Warner and Richard Luger, supporting DEMOCRATS now. Spoiled brats. I think that Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and McCain would be Democrats if they lived in New York. Bob


13 posted on 03/29/2014 8:11:47 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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To: shuck and yall

I don’t want liberals to win. I don’t really care if they have an R or D after their name, I don’t vote for liberals.


14 posted on 03/29/2014 8:12:13 AM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: Democrat_media

Not every democrat is a Democrat, if you know what I mean.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 8:12:29 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: US Navy Vet

Yep...appeasing, whining, sniveling excuses for lazy, feather-bedded RINOs.

The fact is they HAD the trifecta (House, Senate, Administration) under early Bush II years - it got us a Patriot Act which is now being used against conservatives by the NSA,CIA, FBI et al by Obama for his own purposes. It also got us NCLB, Prescription Medicare, unchecked debt incursion, AND the frigging DHS and TSA. Real good job guys.

Screw this “we gotta” crap. Been there done that. To me now generic Republican is worse than Democrat.

If a supposed Republican can’t say and stick by NO DEBT, NO AMNESTY and stop gun control efforts, pledge to oust Boehner/McConnell, then they will not get my vote


16 posted on 03/29/2014 8:13:37 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: shuck and yall

Party over principle, blah. Romney’s career long support for abortion made it impossible for me to vote for him. Even with the stakes as high as they were that is a line I can not and will not cross, akin to denying Jesus or beiing thrown to lions. I choose lions.


17 posted on 03/29/2014 8:14:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: shuck and yall

More “support your local corporatist RINO” vote for the lesser of two evils bullshit.

Been there, done that.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 8:14:49 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: shuck and yall
Hey, GOP-e! My senators are John McCain and Jeff Flake.

And you want me to do what...?

Go to Hell, and take those two filthy traitors with you!

19 posted on 03/29/2014 8:15:20 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher

THis is clearly GOPE damage control...they see the anger the base has at the elites and they need to whip everyone back into the status-quo.

HEY REINCE...I only vote CONSERVATIVE. NOT REPUBLICAN.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 8:18:18 AM PDT by gwgn02
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To: shuck and yall

Does he assume Conservatives cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. We can oppose those that will stand in our way whether Dems or Repubs and still win w/o being beholden to those that need us to beg them to vote right in cloture.


21 posted on 03/29/2014 8:19:35 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: shuck and yall
I had ancestors die for the foundation of this country before there were political parties. Give ma a patriot to vote for. The rePUBlicans have left the standards of the patriots so they can not expect my vote.
22 posted on 03/29/2014 8:20:22 AM PDT by mountainlion
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To: shuck and yall

The question is, can we tell the difference?


23 posted on 03/29/2014 8:22:55 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: shuck and yall

First we must make sure we are not saddled with another Juan McCain/ Mittens Romney as a standard bearer. We have much to correct with the republicans so that we field a proper candidate.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 8:23:18 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: shuck and yall

There is a whole cabal of evil running this country right now.

and this cabal of evil is called the democrat party. the head of the snake is Obama

The enemy of the American people is the democrat party. The democrat party completely controls

1. the news media
2. hollwywood
3. the presidency
4. The senate
5. the gov bureaucracies
5. the unions
7. the universities
8. the schools
9. soros , Lewis,zuckerberg, msny other billionaires are democrats.
10. Obama the main tyrant is a democrat
11. silicon valley, Google etc. are democrats
12. Pelosi, REid, fienstein, Shumer, Durbin , Lois lerner r democrats
13 . the rest of the media
14. IRS , EPA, DHS, HHS, TSA, FBI, etc.
15. liberals control the supreme Court( they approved Obamacare)
15 . Democrats control all the political money .Soros, tides foundation,gov grants,Zuckerberg,Lewis (another billionaire. moveon.org,unions etc.
16.NEA
17.unions
18. lawyers associations
19.teamsters
20.NAACP
21. AARP
22. a million organizations funded by Soros
23. non profits funded by government

Democrat party controls all this and more so lets give these marxist the House too: what could go wrong? /sarcasm


25 posted on 03/29/2014 8:23:21 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: shuck and yall
That is why for the choice between Romney and King Obama I tried to stress if you don't like either, vote for the lesser of the two evils. That was Romney.

Apparently not many understood that there is no perfect candidate. EVER! Therefore the intelligent, since they have to select one of the two, should go for Romney. Obamacare would have gone. Obamacare was the most destructive bill this Country has ever had.

Now comes 2016. Would it be possible that the same will be the case? Stupid not to understand.

26 posted on 03/29/2014 8:24:44 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: molson209

Excellent article. Scott Brown did more damage to Obamcare by preventing it from going to reconciliation then Ted Cruz has ever done. And as far as Bonier is concerned he’s much more conservative then Denny Hastert but or Tom Delay but nary a peep on this board when they were in charge.


27 posted on 03/29/2014 8:25:43 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: shuck and yall

The republicans (GOP-e) have defected over to the other side, and now the two party concept is but only an illusion perpetrated to advance the goals of those who seek total control over the American people. Imagine if the axis powers and the soviets collaborated during WWII, instead of fighting each other, and you get the idea.

The ultimate conclusion of ANY government will be serfdom, enslavement, and ultimately ruin. History backs up this observation of human nature time
and time again, and that will NEVER change.


28 posted on 03/29/2014 8:26:24 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: shuck and yall

It *ALWAYS* comes down to getting out the vote.

Weak RINO or second coming of Ronaldus Magnus, it doesn’t matter if more Democrats than Republicans show up at the polls. Barak Obama excited the hell out of his base in 2008 and he ran a better campaign in 2012, although not by as much.

Demonizing the other side as evil or traitors might make one feel good but doesn’t help the analysis of what went wrong and how to fix it; outside of social media it’s the same dynamic, lies, hypocrisy, vitriol, disagreement over what the Constitution says and means as we’ve always had, hyperventilation aboutd TEOTWAWKI on left or right does not change the rules of the game or how it’s played.

Left and right, for well over 100 years, it’s been the same debate: ideological purity vs political reality. No matter who is nominated in 2016 the functional dynamics and the need for a solid working party organization to get out the vote is what is going to determine who wins.

My analysis- worth everything I’m getting paid for it :-) - has always been that the GOPe controls the party structure and thus determines the outcome; they are slick enough to let ideological purists strut, preen, preach and holler aplenty during the primaries knowing they hold the keys to the machinery come the endgame.


29 posted on 03/29/2014 8:26:55 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: shuck and yall

It simply doesn’t matter at all.

They are all of the ruling class, and they are all the enemy of freedom.

Our problems as a country are not going to be solved at the ballot box. It’s far too late for that.


30 posted on 03/29/2014 8:27:12 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: shuck and yall

For the Geriatric Old Plotters:

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” - Cicero


31 posted on 03/29/2014 8:27:13 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: shuck and yall
I was born and raised a democrat. That was the old democrats. They've all gone now. About 30 years ago I promised myself that I'd never vote for another democrat as long as I lived. I've kept that promise.

Seems as though every 10-12 years democrats go crazy and try to grab every gun in the country. It takes considerable time and effort to slap them down and it's really getting old.

Now democrats are trying to decide where/how I get my health insurance, how much pop I can drink, what my family eats for lunch, what kind of exercise I need, what temperature I need to set my furnace/ac to, how I have to drain the rain water from my land and on and on.

IMO, the democrats party-and every one of its members-in America should be treated exactly as the Germans treated their Nazi party after that mess.

32 posted on 03/29/2014 8:30:26 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
THANKS shuck and yall. Off-topic ping to all lists.
33 posted on 03/29/2014 8:33:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Logical me
Repubs can't field a candidate that enough conservatives will vote for. They'd rather the greater of "two evils" win as they see no difference.

Conservative voter 1 won't vote for candidate A because of issue Z, conservative voter 2 won't vote for candidate B because of issue Y, and so on....

I see the Dems winning again in 2016 and after that, probably no more elections.

34 posted on 03/29/2014 8:35:12 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: cripplecreek

“Completely devoid of free will.”

It’s true, as well completely devoid of any thought processes as their so-called leaders have done the thinking for them.


35 posted on 03/29/2014 8:35:55 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: alstewartfan

Indeed they did. NR has become the very thing WFB -EVISCERATED- during his watch. Today’s NR is to the left of New Republic back in WFB’s day.


36 posted on 03/29/2014 8:36:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: shuck and yall

Get rid of RINOs like Rove et al and prevent the outing of patriots like Lee, Cruze, Gowdy, Palin and others,and I will begin to think there actually is a Republican party. So far, al I see is more blivovating about John McCain Clones running for the presidency.....( Puke).

LET OUR PEOPLE GO!LET THEM RUN!


37 posted on 03/29/2014 8:36:08 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: shuck and yall

Sorry.

No Rats or RINOs.

Ain’t makin’ that mistake again.

Anyway, both will go to the guillotine following CW-II.


38 posted on 03/29/2014 8:36:10 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: shuck and yall

Whose Side are you On? If you don’t care whether Republicans win, care that Democrats lose.


The more important question is: which side is the beltway GOP on? Midnight John Boehner just rammed through the doc fix on a voice vote. That’s Dem style flim flam courtesy of the GOPe.

The current GOP leadership has shown little interest in being an engaged opposition party. And ZERO interest in advancing a conservative agenda. Given that, expect more “bipartisan” sellouts of Main Street by the beltway GOP pigs at the trough. They need to earn our support. It is no longer good enough just to be not a Dem.


39 posted on 03/29/2014 8:38:40 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: shuck and yall
John Boehner and Mitch McConnell have felt the wrath of the Right for spending too much time playing defense

No, Boehner and McConnell have quite understandably incurred our wrath for playing footsie with Harry Reid and doing so surreptitiously.

Republicans now have the opportunity to effectively bring the Obama administration’s legislative program to an early end this November by eliminating the Democrats’ majority in the Senate,

No, to the degree that that can be accomplished under the feckless leadership of Boehner and McConnell it was accomplished by the election of 2010. No one can convince me that if we give McConnell a majority in the Senate he will in fact rollback any legislative initiatives which already been passed, especially including Obamacare!

The differences among us are minor compared with the differences between us and them, which are fundamental.

No, the history of the Bush years when Republicans enjoyed a majority in both houses and the pathetic history of the Obama years convinces many of us that the difference between the Republicans and us conservatives is far greater than the differences between the Republicans and the Democrats.

Unless you are ready to give up entirely on the notion of advancing conservative principles through the ballot box,

No I am not ready to give up the notion of advancing conservatism through the ballot box but that determination is a reflection of hope over experience.

Even if you do not think that it matters much whether Republicans win, it matters a great deal that Democrats lose.

I do not think it matters greatly whether Republicans win or Democrats lose except in the speed at which the Republic will be driven over the cliff. Therefore, I do not place my faith at the ballot box, although prepared to soldier on and do my duty at the ballot box, rather I place my faith in an Article V movement which has a chance of success because it can effectively occur outside Washington.

Why do I get the feeling that this article is being written to paper over the real and substantial differences between the Rinos and conservatives so that the game can go on for yet one more election cycle?


40 posted on 03/29/2014 8:38:55 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Democrat_media
Amen and Amen!

Fighting TWO WARS at once is ill advised

the Fight to Free the Nation from the DEMOCRAT BEAST must be won FIRST

the war against creeping liberalism within the R Party can't be fought EFFECTIVELY...while fighting War Number One




41 posted on 03/29/2014 8:39:13 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: molson209

/bingo


42 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Democrat_media

/bingo


43 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Democrat_media

/bingo


44 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Logical me

/bingo


45 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Blackirish

/bingo


46 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: skimbell

/bingo


47 posted on 03/29/2014 8:40:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: Democrat_media

/bingo


48 posted on 03/29/2014 8:42:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: MeshugeMikey

/bingo


49 posted on 03/29/2014 8:42:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: RedStateRocker
My analysis- worth everything I’m getting paid for it :-) - has always been that the GOPe controls the party structure and thus determines the outcome; they are slick enough to let ideological purists strut, preen, preach and holler aplenty during the primaries knowing they hold the keys to the machinery come the endgame.

Maybe, but they haven't proven 'slick' enough to figure out how to get enough voters to the polls in the general.

So now the geniuses in the GOPe think the winning strategy is to attack their base.

My guess is this will not work either.

50 posted on 03/29/2014 8:43:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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