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The GOP Battle: Paul vs. Cruz
Poletical ^ | April 1st, 2014 | T. Carter

Posted on 04/02/2014 6:50:30 PM PDT by PingPongChampion

There is a fierce battle brewing between three sects of a divided Republican Party. The Rand Paul libertarians and the Ted Cruz social conservatives are drumming up support for what could be a bloody competition to rule the roost of 2016. In the safe middle is the establishmentarian moderates and the elites of the Republican Party, like Chris Christie and Marco Rubio. The most watched and most important battle, however, will be the battle between the GOP's two rights – the battle between Paul and Cruz.

In an interview with Vocativ, Rand Paul spoke of a Republican Party that requires a softer approach to social issues. In 2012, when Ted Cruz won his senate seat in Texas, the Washington Post likened him to a socially conservative crusader. What both men have in common is their strong commitment to the US Constitution and their strong support from within the Tea Party.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; gop; ntsa; paultards; randnesty; randpaul; republicans; tedcruz
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To: PingPongChampion

Paul, Cruz, Walker, Lee, along with Ryan, Gowdey, and a couple of more.

I honestly do not care who is on the ticket. I want the ticket to win. I want these talented men to lay aside any issues and come together to put this country back on the right track.

A talented team that has strength of purpose and commitment to better the country.

Let them work together and make and appoint a remarkable cabinet that actually changes the dependent sclerosis of Washington.


41 posted on 04/02/2014 7:59:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: napscoordinator

Now that’s a different argument other than the retard here.

I disagree though. I understand and like the sentence everyone seems to ignore (like liberals ignore “the free exercise thereof” in the 1st); “under the jurisdiction thereof.”

That counts as much as being “in” the US. Nowhere in the document does it state within the borders as some have stated. And I don’t care about court opinion. We all know how much that is truly worth.


42 posted on 04/02/2014 8:00:36 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Is GA a good place to retire?
I been to downtown Atlanta a few times for work but that’s about it.


43 posted on 04/02/2014 8:02:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: PingPongChampion
In the safe middle is the establishmentarian moderates and the elites of the Republican Party, like Chris Christie and Marco Rubio.

Nothing quite like a flat lie for a premise; the RINOS are FAR to the left of either Cruz or Paul.

44 posted on 04/02/2014 8:12:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: sickoflibs

Yes GA is a wonderful state. I just love talking about how great it is here. We love Ted Cruz and Rand Paul in GA. :-)


45 posted on 04/02/2014 8:14:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Why do you keep changing the subject to GA?

Do I have to tell assel on you?


46 posted on 04/02/2014 8:24:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Fledermaus
So if a US citizen living in London on a job has his pregnant US citizen wife join him for a week and she goes into early labor and produces a child, that child is NOT a US citizen?

Citizen? Yes, probably a citizen of the US and possibly a native born citizen of GB, depending on the treaties in place and each nations' laws regarding citizenship.

But not a natural born American citizen, as I understand the term.

Natural born citizenship, as I understand the term, is an exclusive form of citizenship, since Mom's and Dad's citizenship are of the same place the child is born, there are no other options for that child's citizenship.

It's a "pure" form of citizenship that differs in purity than the less pure Native born, as I understand those terms.

The most diluted form would be if mom's citizenship and dad's citizenship are each from different nations and the child is born in yet another nation than either of the nations the parents are citizens of.

That child potentially has citizenship in three different nations, depending on the treaties.

As such, I don't know which nation or parent would have the stronger claim to that child, the father, the mother or the nation where s/he was born.

But there's no way that's Natural Born Citizenship, as I understand the term and its use in our Constitution.

However, if the NBC requirement is removed from the Constitution and changed to just "citizen", then this argument goes away.

Otherwise, NBC means born here to American citizens, as I understand it from what I learned in grade school and through researching the terms in the many, many arguments since obama was installed.

If you liked the many attempts to get that issue before the courts, including that of Lt. Col. Lakin, the Army Dr. who refused to follow obama's orders until the issue was ruled upon and wound up in the brig, then you'll love it should Cruz, born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother, run for POTUS.

47 posted on 04/02/2014 9:36:36 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: SADMILLIE

You’re a troll.


48 posted on 04/02/2014 9:39:50 PM PDT by Theophilus (.)
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To: PingPongChampion; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

Sounds like the author is trying to pigeon hole Cruz as a “the social conservative candidate”.


49 posted on 04/02/2014 9:58:10 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: SADMILLIE

Since you love Ted Cruz, you will be happy to know he is NOT disqualified to be POTUS.

“..his mother was born and raised in the United States. The law in effect then, and now, made Ted Cruz a U.S. citizen at birth.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/sen-ted-cruz/2013/03/11/spokesman-senator-cruz-us-citizen-birth#ixzz2cCNiCjP8


50 posted on 04/02/2014 10:00:39 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

A Republican can’t win the primaries without the pro-lifers, and Rand Paul isn’t as pro-life as some think.

If Rand Paul is really pro-life, why did he get a 33% rating from Planned Parenthood?

“KY U.S. Senate Jr Rand Paul Republican 33”

snip http://votesmart.org/interest-group/1578/rating/6093

Neither was his dad, Ron Paul.

“..Ron Paul Joins Democrats in Defeating Sex Selection Abortion Ban, Allowing Genocide to Continue ..”
snip http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/ron-paul-joins-democrats-in-defeating-sex-selection-abortion-ban-allowing-genocide-to-continue/

Libertarians just aren’t wired right.


51 posted on 04/02/2014 10:08:12 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Impy

As a conservative and a Christian, of course Cruz is a social conservative, but no one will be pigeon holing him.


52 posted on 04/02/2014 10:16:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: GBA

No court was going to invalidate Obama’s presidency, regardless of the evidence.

Both the Dems and the GOP wanted the bailouts, Obamacare, and the NDAA. They are pleased with the direction the US is going.


53 posted on 04/02/2014 10:22:29 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: ansel12

The name is an anagram for madsillie. I’m guessing a DU troll with spelling problems.

Paul has shown a willingness to stab Social Conservatives and anti-illegal-immigration folk in the eye. I think that is a disqualification on grounds of stupidity even more than policy. Put him in the VP spot to let his people think they are corupting the machine and keep them in the fold, and run Cruz or West up top.


54 posted on 04/02/2014 10:27:19 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: SADMILLIE

I actually have two law degrees (J.D. and LL.M.).

You’re wrong on this legal issue.

After reading your posts, I’m convinced you’re either a DU troll or a Paulbot trying to kneecap the competition.


55 posted on 04/02/2014 10:36:55 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“But of late he is bothering me with talk that seriously smacks of amnesty for ILLEGALS”

OMG, look, we aren’t going to send them all back (impossible).

We’re not going to put them all in jail (impossible).

So...we have to come up with a sensible plan to deal with the problem. Rand has many good ideas on the issue.

Many consider anything short of sending them all back to Africa, oops wrong race, Mexico is amnesty.


56 posted on 04/02/2014 10:47:33 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
Many consider anything short of sending them all back to Africa, oops wrong race, Mexico is amnesty.

Tone down your racism, troll.

57 posted on 04/02/2014 10:56:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SADMILLIE

Dude was with his American momma he didn’t have a choice


58 posted on 04/03/2014 1:51:28 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: PingPongChampion; Fred Nerks; TigersEye

Rand Paul is Chimmy Changngas lite.Too equivocating when it comes to the progressive threat to the Constitution and immigration.He also is a cheese who stands alone, no community depth.

Ted Cruz is more than a constitution patriot. He has the grass roots backing of America, backing of Sarah Palin, and support of Trey Gowdy and Mike Lee.Together they can become legion for the win against the coercive utopian left.

Its Cruz for me.

As far as Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, they have proven themselves equipositive with the likes of the losers in the battle with the coercive utopian left, Juan McCain, and the Karl Rove RINOplasty buttkiss crowd.Those idiots lost 2 elections in a row, and they should NOT have a chance to lose a third. They own those losses and its time for them to fade into the loser dust bin of history.


59 posted on 04/03/2014 2:19:01 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: PingPongChampion

The Rand Paul libertarians and the Ted Cruz social conservatives...


Funny, but I’m a Ted Cruz libertarian.


60 posted on 04/03/2014 2:51:54 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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