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2010: Admiral: President Obama Gave Us Choice to Accept Gays in Military or Resign
Breitbart's Big Peace ^ | April 1, 2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 04/03/2014 12:20:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp said that in 2010 Obama told U.S. military leaders to accept his push for gays in the military, and that if they didn't, they could take the "opportunity to resign [their] commissions."

Papp said these things in a video BuzzFeed obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

The video shows a speech Papp delivered to Coast Guard Academy cadets during which he was asked how he would deal with enforcing an order with which he didn't agree. He used the story of his 2010 meeting with Obama as an example of how service members' duties can be compelling and conflicting with personal desires....

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhodod; bhohomosexualagenda; deathofthewest; dontaskdonttell; endtimes; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; lastdays; military; moralabsolutes; obama; secondamendment; thecatcher; usnavy
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To: Ray76

Totally, 100%, bet the farm, agree.


181 posted on 04/03/2014 8:49:02 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If you want a laugh, Google "Reggie Love", with or without quotes.

Under the informational blurb on the right:

Party: Democratic Party

Position: Wide Receiver

Can't believe the Lefties @ Google haven't caught that...

182 posted on 04/03/2014 8:49:33 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kabar; Future Snake Eater
What is surprising is that none of these so-called leaders had the courage of their convictions and resigned. Sad commentary on our military leadership.

Hey! Get off their case!

They're just following orders...

183 posted on 04/03/2014 8:51:34 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Norm Lenhart
Go back and reread my posts on this thread. I provided your answer before you ever asked the question.

You made a vague comment about how it would hold "feet to the fire." That's not an answer.

The rest of your post is too asinine to take seriously.

I'm sorry you think so.

184 posted on 04/03/2014 8:51:38 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: trisham

Well it’s a nice thought and makes things easier to stomach but it’s a fantasy. It’s also a dangerous one because it leaves our conscience an easy out. Upper brass have dealt with the real ‘behind the scenes’ obama for a long time now and have long known they had one choice to make in dealing with him. Complete fealty or dismissal.

And they chose fealty while the sex assaults and gay related issues pile up and have a detrimental effect on the military and our country.


185 posted on 04/03/2014 8:53:55 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Sorry you lack comprehension skills. But you already demonstrated that with post 112.


186 posted on 04/03/2014 8:55:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: kabar
Can you imagine the political firestorm if all of the JCS resigned because they believed this policy would hurt the operational effectiveness of the military?

We know CNN wouldn't have reported it...

Obama would have retreated from this red line as he has so many others. The only way to stand up to a bully is to call his bluff.

Exactly. President Simba MomJeans would have craw-dadded his way back to his glory hole...

187 posted on 04/03/2014 8:55:38 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Revelation 911

I have no idea who you are, but I’m sure living in your head.

Try to focus on the thread and the topics, and not create personal grudges and stalk freepers, such as your post on this thread, it said nothing relevant, it merely expressed that you were carrying a dislike from some past thread and wanted to express it on this thread.

Just drop the personal, if you disagree with post 8 and want to defend Mitt Romney’s 20 year goal to homosexualize the military, then do so, with something besides a mere personal attack.


188 posted on 04/03/2014 8:55:45 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“...Morality is binary. Something is good or bad....”

That’s about as clear and bright a line as I’ve ever heard it put.

Spot-on, and excellently said.


189 posted on 04/03/2014 8:56:05 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I hear you. If I were one of them, would I quit? Very possibly, but I’m not sure that I would feel that I could expect anyone else to join me.


190 posted on 04/03/2014 8:57:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bushbacker1
LOL!

"You're a mean one, Mr. Bushbacker1..." (to the tune of "Mr. Grinch")

191 posted on 04/03/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: NFHale

Thanks. I’d have thought it was obvious but this thread shows even people supposedly ‘conservative’ believe morality can be whatever they think benefits their personal beliefs most at the moment.

No wonder we are in the mess we are.


192 posted on 04/03/2014 9:00:11 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Hulka
BS. There's nothing in recent history at all to back up what you claim.

Mass resignation of the JCS, let's say, will not go unnoticed or un-commented on by even the most lame MSM outlet.

They'd do stories about it, for sure. What do you think the tone of the stories and follow-on analysis would be? Look at Phil Robertson for a clue, and far more John and Jane Does know who he is than who the Army's top general is.

It would cause reporting and wake the American people (for just a second) to what is going on.

And what is "going on"? Every second of news coverage about homosexuals and their so-called struggle is fawning. 9/11 itself didn't wake people up to the threat of Islam, you think some generals/admirals no one's ever heard of would make a dent in the overall opinion of homosexuality?

The Big Zero would then be caught forcing his most senior military leaders to accept a social agenda that most Americans object to.

Most Americans are being awfully damned quiet about homosexuality's constant progression in their own lives, I doubt they'd give a damn about the military.

Mass resignations would open the doors to a heck of a lot of nastiness in news reporting

By whom? His acolytes at MSNBC and CNN? Fox News is too busy covering Kim Kardashian and Justin Bieber.

...enraging the public as they would then know, have proof of, how the Big Zero is forcing politics into the military

You think that would enrage the public? Would they even notice? It's about "love" and "acceptance" to them, nothing more.

The net effect would be that a lot of good people would be gone and Obama and Jarrett (mostly the latter) would hand-pick the next group of senior leaders and flag officers. It would be big news for about a week, but it would be shouted down by those who are oh so tolerant.

That's it.

You would have people sacrifice decades of their lives for that.

193 posted on 04/03/2014 9:00:19 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

If you are Ok with fags in the military, then why in the hell do you come to FR?


194 posted on 04/03/2014 9:00:38 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: trisham

Well in the end we all have to stand alone. But standing together sure would get a lot more good done.


195 posted on 04/03/2014 9:01:24 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: ohioman

I’m not OK with it. I’m also not OK with torpedoing my career over a pointless gesture that would have no effect. You can bet the flag officers feel the same way.


196 posted on 04/03/2014 9:02:22 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I do agree.


197 posted on 04/03/2014 9:02:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
We routinely screen for HIV. We have for years. If you have it, you're gone.

That isn't very effective in a big war is it, in a blood filled environment, a periodic test revealing that carriers have only been passing it around for months, instead of for years.

Homosexuality is weakening the military, what you don't see, is the accumulating effect of men not wanting to enlist, and not wanting to continue to serve in a gay/feminized military.

We older guys watch as the body blows come, one after the other, and we can see that they are slowly cutting off chunk after chunk of the meat, from America's ability to maintain a warrior class.

198 posted on 04/03/2014 9:07:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ohioman; Future Snake Eater
Get off his case!

The admirals were just following orders.

As was Vasili Blokhin, and others whose names are easily recalled...

199 posted on 04/03/2014 9:08:09 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: ohioman
BTW - when the order comes to "deal" with mouthy peasants like you and me, it WILL be followed, if FSE is any indication.
200 posted on 04/03/2014 9:09:52 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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